Gas-Powered Cars Will Vanish in 8 Years, Big Oil Will Collapse: Stanford Study

[lighthouse boy]

just remember, there aren't any dinos dying lately. LPs, 8-track, cassette, CDs and now stored on a flashed drive. The 65 Mustangs came with a AM/FM Radio with an 8 Track. My 2013 Ford can plug in an iPOD or a flash drive. That was in 40 years. Had GM stayed with the EV-1, maybe the battery technology would be more advance that it is now.

 

[Insidious Von]

Reagan killed battery technology, think of where we'd be if that were not the case. Gasoline becoming a side energy, how is Saudi Arabia going to fund international terrorism.

There is now a an electric racing circuit called Formula E.

 

[The "Bone" Ranger]

So like I said in my original post, what are they recycled into? What percentage of the components of the old battery are re-used? Imagine hundreds of millions of electric cars with the discarded batteries and they are not even safe for the environment. It is the old lithium I believe that is the problem and as far as I know it cannot be recycled.

And there is still an enormous environmental impact to recycling and new production.

Batteries have been recyclable and and have been recycled for decades.

And what happens with billions of old smartphones?!

If they can still hold a charge, the car batteries can be used for grid (or homeowner) storage. They don't need to be vehicle-level functioning for that use. If they can't hold a charge they are recycled into the component parts. This is another technology still in its infancy.
https://cleantechnica.com/2015/07/23/electric-vehicle-battery-can-recycled/

The batteries are recycled.

into what?

 

[desert monk]

LoL liberal-leftie nutcase. Go smoke some weed. Oil will be here for next 100 year, because it is the most cost efficient cheapest energy source! My prediction within the next 5 year Tesla will go bankrupt and Elon Musk will resign in disgrace. And Elon Musk will become bankrupt and be homeless and then vanished within the next 8 year!

I hope so. Fuck Elon Musk, he's a complete piece of shit.

 

[FAST]

Reagan killed battery technology, think of where we'd be if that were not the case. Gasoline becoming a side energy, how is Saudi Arabia going to fund international terrorism.

There is now a an electric racing circuit called Formula E.

When they have scheduled pit stops,...they have to change cars,...LONG way to go.

 

[FAST]

So like I said in my original post, what are they recycled into? What percentage of the components of the old battery are re-used? Imagine hundreds of millions of electric cars with the discarded batteries and they are not even safe for the environment. It is the old lithium I believe that is the problem and as far as I know it cannot be recycled.

Yep,...a lot of nonsense,...and un-knowledgeable silliness posted here Bone,...

 

[IM469]

In the background they are making tremendous advantages with capacitors. Capacitors do not rely on chemical changes as batteries do. Capacitors will charge instantly and actually need a current limiter to prevent high draws on the power source. When I was a kid a one Farad capacitor would end up the size of a desk but now fits in the palm of your hand. They are now working on 'supercapacitors' to replace batteries in some electronic applications. A major benefit is their long service life.

For those interested in further reading: Can Supercapacitors Surpass Batteries for Energy Storage?
http://www.electronicdesign.com/power/can-supercapacitors-surpass-batteries-energy-storage

 

[FAST]

In the background they are making tremendous advantages with capacitors. Capacitors do not rely on chemical changes as batteries do. Capacitors will charge instantly and actually need a current limiter to prevent high draws on the power source. When I was a kid a one Farad capacitor would end up the size of a desk but now fits in the palm of your hand. They are now working on 'supercapacitors' to replace batteries in some electronic applications. A major benefit is their long service life.

For those interested in further reading: Can Supercapacitors Surpass Batteries for Energy Storage?
http://www.electronicdesign.com/power/can-supercapacitors-surpass-batteries-energy-storage

Agreed, technologies like this, have more future than current battery technologies.

I don't know about the charge "instantly capability",...and some form of current control is most definatly required for Lithium" batteries also.

 

[rhuarc29]

Not according to Ford. There is a half hour interview show, Autoline on Detroit PBS every Sunday morning, and last week the VP of Propulsion Systems at Ford said that they see a declining but permanent market for internal combustion vehicles.

If they design an electric car that is significantly cheaper and more powerful than internal combustion vehicles, that overcomes the current limitations of electric cars, then absolutely the market for regular vehicles will collapse. Yes, there will always be a market for them, but that market would be a shadow of a shadow of it's current self.

 

[james t kirk]

Watch Top Gear as Rory in his Tesla Model X destroys a Dodge Challenger Hellcat. Absolutely destroys it.

https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/tgtv-s23-rory-reid-tesla-model-x

Fun stuff starts about 4:40.

 

[IM469]

Okay, just thinking, thinking but could we power the highways and put a meter in the cars ? You pay for your power to run your car and keep your power cell (batteries, fuel cell, Supercapacitor, etc) charged so that you have a fully charged vehicle with a ~ 100 KM range when you drive off the grid. I was thinking a probe in the ground but I guess passing would require some unique handling.

 

[anon1]

Wrong interpretation.
Seba predicts the advent of self-driving cars will make 80% of the people give up personal ownership of a gas powered vehicle.
Self-driving cars will tend to be electric as it can be programmed to charge itself whenever necessary.
The important point is not gas powered but self-driving. That's why all the big tech companies are jumping on board.
The worry is when they become self-aware.:sad:

 

[TeeJay]

Actually the grid is practically at idle at night. So it can take a TON more load during the evening then it takes now.

The grid being quiet is why electricity costs so little
Imagine paying peak prices all day all night

 

[MattRoxx]

So like I said in my original post, what are they recycled into? What percentage of the components of the old battery are re-used? Imagine hundreds of millions of electric cars with the discarded batteries and they are not even safe for the environment. It is the old lithium I believe that is the problem and as far as I know it cannot be recycled.

Imagine hundreds of millions of gas-powered cars with the discarded lead acid batteries leaching into the groundwater around junkyards.

And what happens with billions of old smartphones?!

If they can still hold a charge, the car batteries can be used for grid (or homeowner) storage. They don't need to be vehicle-level functioning for that use. If they can't hold a charge they are recycled into the component parts. This is another technology still in its infancy.
https://cleantechnica.com/2015/07/23/electric-vehicle-battery-can-recycled/

 

[anon1]

 

[Aardvark154]

^ That is humorous in a sad way.

 

[MattRoxx]

Watch Top Gear as Rory in his Tesla Model X destroys a Dodge Challenger Hellcat. Absolutely destroys it.

https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/tgtv-s23-rory-reid-tesla-model-x

Fun stuff starts about 4:40.

That's amazing. The Model X even has a "Ludicrous Speed" setting.

 

[Belleville69]

I don't buy it.........we don't have the infrastructure ......nor can we afford it. I'll bet money on it

 

[MattRoxx]

Update:

Petrol engines? So yesterday, says Volvo
Swedish car-maker says all of its cars from 2019 will be fully electric, or hybrid


The Volvo Car Group said on Wednesday all new models launched from 2019 will be fully electric or hybrids, spelling the eventual end to nearly a century of Volvos powered solely by the internal combustion engine.
The Gothenburg-based company will continue to produce pure combustion-engine Volvos from models launched before that date, but said it would introduce cars across its model line-up that ranged from fully electric cars to plug-in hybrids.
Volvo’s plans make it the first major traditional automaker to set a date for the complete phase-out of combustion-engine-only models.
Electrification has long been a buzzword across the industry and Elon Musk’s Tesla Motors has been a pure-play battery carmaker from day one.
“This announcement marks the end of the solely combustion engine-powered car,” Volvo Cars Chief Executive Hakan Samuelsson said in a statement.
Five new models set to be launched in 2019 through 2021 - three of them Volvos and two Polestar-branded - will all be fully or partially electric.
“These five cars will be supplemented by a range of petrol and diesel plug in hybrid and mild hybrid 48-volt options on all models,” Volvo said.
“This means that there will in future be no Volvo cars without an electric motor.”
Volvo has invested heavily in new models and plants since being bought by Zhejiang Geely Holding Group from Ford Motor Co in 2010, establishing a niche in a premium auto market dominated by larger rivals such as Daimler’s Mercedes-Benz and BMW.
Part of its strategy has also been to embrace emerging technologies which allow higher performance electric vehicles as well as, eventually, self-driving cars.
Only last month, Volvo said it would reshape its Polestar business into a standalone brand, focused on high-performance electric cars aimed at competing with Tesla and the Mercedes AMG division.
Volvo has also taken steps towards an eventual listing, raising 5 billion crowns from Swedish institutional investors through the sale of newly issued preference shares last year, though the company has said no decision on an IPO has been made.

 

[MattRoxx]

and more news

Tesla Model 3, An Electric Car For The Masses, Is Coming Soon
The company plans to hold a party to hand over the first 30 Model 3s to customers on July 28.

The first Tesla Model 3 electric car for the masses should come off the assembly line on Friday with the first deliveries in late July, the company's CEO says.

CEO Elon Musk, in several Twitter messages early Monday, says the new car passed all government regulatory requirements for production to begin two weeks ahead of schedule. The company plans to hold a party to hand over the first 30 Model 3s to customers on July 28, Musk wrote in a tweet.

The Model 3 is to start around $35,000 and with a $7,500 federal electric car tax credit, could cost $27,500. Tesla says the five-seat car will be able to go 215 miles (346 kilometres) on a single charge and will be sporty, accelerating from zero to 60 miles per hour in under six seconds.
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Until recently, Tesla owned the market for fully-electric vehicles that can go 200 miles (322 kilometres) or more on a charge. But that's changing. GM beat Tesla to the mass market with the Chevrolet Bolt, a $36,000 car that goes 238 miles (about 383 kilometres) per charge. Audi plans to introduce an electric SUV with 300 miles (483 kilometres) of range next year; Ford will have one by 2020. Volkswagen plans more than 30 electric vehicle models by 2025.

Automotive competitors like Mercedes and Volvo — not to mention tech companies like Google and Uber — can also match Tesla's efforts to develop self-driving vehicles. And they have deeper pockets. Tesla has had only two profitable quarters in its seven years as a public company.