Turkey downs Russian plane over Syria
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Well I think this is what happened: The Russian jets were flying for a long time in the area along the Turkish border that Turkey declared a no-fly zone, ignoring demand after demand from Turkey to get out of there -- because the Russians are arrogant fuckheads. The Turks then sat the watching those Russian jets and getting pissed off and got itchy for ANY excuse to shoot them down, so the second they flew over Turkish airspace shot them down. And it was only a second--the jets flew over a little strip of Turkey that juts out into Syria, they would only have been over it for seconds.101 posts on this topic and I honestly don't know what to believe.
My guess is that the Turks fired while they were over Turkish territory but that they were over such a short time that they were back of Syria when the missiles hit.
Well, frankly I don't, I just want someone in charge that will keep the whackos in order. The one documented massacre blamed on the Assad regime (Hafez not Bashar) was the Hama Massacre, where Assad crushed an uprising by the Muslim Brotherhood. In hindsight, can you really blame him? The US killed FAR more people in Iraq then the Assads have killed. In the context of the civil war, stats and info about who killed whom is pretty unreliable. Even the number of people killed by the US in the Iraq war is a range of from 100K to 900K+ with the most credible number being around 300K. Most of the Syrians are fleeing chaos, not Assad. The older Assad far far more brutal then then son, yet there were not a great deal of refugees. Its the war, and people flee all wars, it has little to do with Assad.
I guess Fujis supports the Muslim Brotherhood though and perhaps would prefer Assad left them alone.
Because you don't give a FLYING FUCK about Syrians. You just want a guy in charge who keeps the place under control regardless of the cost in human life -- a zillion dead Syrians, who the fuck cares. Well some people do--but YOU clearly don't.
And no that isn't he only documented massacre blamed on Assad, in the current civil war the guy has repeatedly used artillery and airstrikes on towns and cities that didn't support him, wholesale attacking the civilian population.
As for your BULLSHIT attempt to argue that the Iraq war was worse--BULLSHIT. There are already more dead civilians in Syria from the direct fighting, and there's no way to estimate the civilian losses from lack of access to healthcare and services--which is what your sources claim killed the most people in Iraq. The Syrian war is highly likely FAR WORSE. We just don't know yet, because nobody can go in and count the bodies without getting killed by Assad, Hezbollah, Isis, Putin, or some other fuckhead. The Americans botched the reconstruction in Iraq which resulted in poor delivery of services--Assad actually bombs the hospitals and destroys the infrastructure of places opposed to him: It isn't some accidental L Paul Bremmer fuckup. It's intentional wholesale assault on a civilian population.
Which is why it is now the world's largest refugee crisis. Bar none.
They were soldiers following orders, and were out of the fight. Also valuable as prisoners. Now the Russians will demand revenge. The Turks have signed their death warrant.
250K is the total Syrian estimated dead, Iraq war killed about 300K probably more. The sanctions against Iraq are estimated to have killed another 500K. So whos the butcher. And it was all done to keep them in check. Assad isn't launching wholesale assaults on the population, he is attacking people trying to overthrow him. civilian deaths are pretty much unavoidable. And for Assad it is fight or die. Some tribes in Syria have raised up against Assad, so what would you suggest as a correct course of action in that case? The US bombed infrastructure as well. Israel bombed oil tanks at Lebanons airport wiping out fish grounds even though the govt agreed to close the airport. Winning an insurgent war requires destruction of infrastructure. Look what the US did in Fallujah... Syria is one big Fallujah. The Vietnam boat people crisis was far worse then the Syrian refugees. More people are fleeing the collapse of the Assad regime, not the regime itself.
Russians have control of the air space over Syria. There's no reason for escort. Putin's "stab in the back" comment had double meaning. The other meaning being a F-16 popping up from the Turkish side and putting a missile up the pipe of his attack plane.
Yes, yes and German Capt. Wilm Hosenfeld saved Szpilman the Jew. While Szpilman's family, and millions of others, were turned into carbon emissions at Treblinka, Sobibor, Auschwitz, etc.
Actually I do care very much about Syrians. They were all far far better off under Assad then they would be under any of the current contenders for the throne.
Is Assad a choir boy? Nope. But he is not or was not the evil despot that you seem to think he was.
The opposition to Assad and his regime are all fundamentalist Islamo Fascists who despise Assad for one reason an one reason ONLY and that is because Assad and his father before him did not and do not support a totalarian fundamental Islamic society like the crack pots want. The Islamo Fascists were emboldened with the result of the so called "Arab Spring" where they saw secular leaning governments ousted an replaced by fundamentalist Islamic regimes. They figured that the time was right to rise up in Syria against Assad (yet again since they had tried in the past against th old man and failed) and the results would be the same easy victory. They seriously miscalculated.
The only reason you despise Assad is his and his father's support for the struggle against zionism and you are a zionist.
Before.
As you doubtless know the Commando Order was a violation of the rules of war and after the war German officers who carried out executions under the Commando Order were found guilty of War Crimes.
It is a deep penetration strike fighter/fighter bomber very similar to the former USAF & RAAF F-111.
Is Turkey Lying: Rescued Russian Pilot Says There Was No Warning Before F-16 Opened Fire
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20151125/1030742094/pilot-su24-rescued-no-turkish-space-violation.html
