Fucking Elon Musk started this sort of convo and all his fanboys fell in line. They dont realize he is a manipulative slave driver and a horrible manager.
Work from home opinions, the good, the bad or scam?
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Again, it depends on the company and people. The workers at Tesla may have a different opinion and that's ok.
Of course, I am talking about Twitter though. Programmers are one of the few people who can very much work from home. Tech has always worked that way.
You DO realize that people walk around and office and can see what other people are up to, without having to stand over their shoulder for an hour straight.
You are defending your point so rigorously that it sounds like you are at the point of disregarding reality and common sense. It is irrefutable that your performance is more exposed when you are in the workplace than if you are at home. If you argue against that, then you are ''out to lunch". LOL
People walk around the office and do what exactly? How does that amount to increased productivity? Are you implying that employees will be fearful of what others may think and therefore work harder? Thats nonsensical as those fearful employees are the ones that perform poorly. I have walked around the office and found employees watching youtube, facebooking etc and not once have I said anything, nor has anyone said anything to me. I mean there is a tacit understanding that you do not intrude.
As long as work gets done and deliverables are on time, I dont understand how working in an office increases productivity or performance for that matter. It simply does not. Infact, working from home, increases productivity and performance because people are relaxed and happier. Happier employees do better work. As I said before my firms model is to work from home. We have been for over 10 years. And we are global and we have very low attrition because people are happier. I probably have more experience than anyone here on this board on WFH culture, so I speak from practical experience.
Now I understand there are businesses where you have to be at work. But I am talking about the typical office environment where all you need is a computer, internet connection and a desk.
I am defending my point rigorously because I want you to realize how flawed and outdated your mindset is, where you believe that fearful employees make better employees, because you breathe down their necks. That is not true. It is you that is "out to lunch" here. You may want to get with the times.
Unless you're doing some obvious non-work activities like watching porn, shows / movies, playing games, etc. for hours on end, then your co-workers generally don't care. Besides, it's not your co-workers job to police your work activities. That's for your boss to do.
All of that is fine.
It does not change the fact that your work habits are on more on display when you're in the office as opposed to if you are at home.
For some people, it makes no difference as to how they work. For others, being in the office with other people around, might motivate them to have more conscientious work habits, which has been my simple point all along.
If I was a CEO or an employer of a company and my employees asked me if they could work from home instead of coming to the office, I would say no. If they said they would quite if they couldn't, I would say "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out".
EI doesn't pay that well.
EI doesn't pay that well.
Yeah I guess running a business to make money isn't the job of a CEO. All those empty offices and paying for them is a good business decision right?See, thats why you are not a CEO.
Downsize/sell the real estate or rent less of it.
Sell those offices. Let people work from home. It is a huge overhead that companies can get rid off and collaborate online as much as possible. That would help their bottomline.
Are we talking about what motivates employees or how they are monitored by because those are totally different things.
We are talking about how some people will be more productive if they are required to be in the workplace and why. I had no intention of creating a dissertation on all aspects of working at home vs. having to go to work.
Yes, this is true. However, motivation and monitoring are different things. The difference might be subtle, but it's still a difference. The boss can monitor their employees all day long in office or at home. At the same time, workers can just put the minimum effort required to get the job done i.e. not motivated to go above and beyond.
At any rate, I think we're more or less on the same page on this issue so I'll leave it at that.
People are different. Some work well without supervision, some do not and need that constant monitoring. I for one, do not and have a 10+ year track record of meeting or exceeding expectations on my semi-annual performance reviews. Good raises and good bonuses.
I for one, loath the Darryl Sutter management types. Eventually most will be obsolete and unemployable.
I for one, loath the Darryl Sutter management types. Eventually most will be obsolete and unemployable.
To reiterate. I am not saying that workers are being monitored.
I am saying that a worker is more visible. There is more chance that their work habits will be more on display to a variety of others from time to time than if they were at home. That is simply a reality.
Turnover being what it is these days, it should not take long to build a team adept at working from home or one that prefers to work on site.
Have worked in a hybrid environment for over 15 years, IT and R&D, while also managing folks, and dealing with folks internationally
As already stated it is dependent on job type, environment, individual and also the management culture.
A point regarding , the statement that there is less monitoring of workers when working from home. Absolutely false, as there is technology that tracks an individual’s screen time, keystrokes and what ever can be done on a PC, and phone , etc.
In fact the technology is advancing at a rapid pace, and I used to use it to determine statics such that when jobs take less time, the results were used to modify assignment efforts costs etc.
As already stated it is dependent on job type, environment, individual and also the management culture.
A point regarding , the statement that there is less monitoring of workers when working from home. Absolutely false, as there is technology that tracks an individual’s screen time, keystrokes and what ever can be done on a PC, and phone , etc.
In fact the technology is advancing at a rapid pace, and I used to use it to determine statics such that when jobs take less time, the results were used to modify assignment efforts costs etc.
Of course workers are being monitored. You even said it yourself. Perhaps we disagree in the meaning of "monitoring" and that's fine. No point in playing word games with each other.
To suggest that people are less visible at home is false. I grant you that companies need to invest in remote monitoring software to monitor people, but that's just a matter of money and policy. Even if your company doesn't use remote monitoring software they can still track you a number of ways.
If you use VPN software to access company servers, then there's a log of every file and folder you touch and the internet sites you visit. If you use a software phone, it can track stats like time logged in, call list, call time, hold time, time spent between calls, etc. Even if you use a personal phone and use company apps like Outlook, Teams, etc they can remotely erase it at any time.
Remote monitoring software can do a deep dive into what people are doing on their company owned laptops in real time. They can track what apps you are running, how long your laptop is idle, active or off, track your email and instant messaging, capture your screen at regular intervals and many other things. These are way beyond what people can casually or even intently looking over your shoulder at the office could do.
Such systems create an clear and undeniable record of what people are doing on their computers both on-screen and behind the scenes. There's no need to rely on people to try to remember a co-workers behaviour.
