What Materazzi said (allegedly)
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why? he provoked him
and he's the biggest sack of shit to ever play in Serie A
as someone noted, racism in Italy is on a totally different level...I forget the players name (Zoro?) from Messina this year threatened to walk off during a game because of the all the racial abuse being hurled towards him.
And I am sure some recall back in the day when Vieira called Mihajlovic a gypsy and he in turn called him a monkey...
Spain is also a bad country for it...
and he's the biggest sack of shit to ever play in Serie A
as someone noted, racism in Italy is on a totally different level...I forget the players name (Zoro?) from Messina this year threatened to walk off during a game because of the all the racial abuse being hurled towards him.
And I am sure some recall back in the day when Vieira called Mihajlovic a gypsy and he in turn called him a monkey...
Spain is also a bad country for it...
pride in your nation is one thing, making monkey noises and throwing bananas at black players is a completely different thing. This is the type of crap that use to happen in England in the 1970's to black players till clubs, governments and society put their foot down and said enough, does it still exist in England of course, but I dare anyone to find one recent example of people doing fascist salutes in the stands at an EPL match.Kathleen said:I don't think its a race issue, rather a culture issue.
Italy is a harsh place if you are not Italian would be better said.
Could be wrong, but Its just an opinion.
If after this world cup win, when every Italian community around the world bonded, and people can't see how proud Italy is as a Nation, then they were in a coma.
Italy is proud of its heritage, and nothing is wrong with that. Having more of a love for true Italians within Italy is just about comfort.
In Canada, I find Quebec to be similar in with their pride. Doesn't mean anyone hates outsiders, they just tend to warm up better to other Quebecers.
whats absolutely disgusting is the position of the clubs instead of totally condeming this kind of crap, they sit by silently doing nothing, why because those simpletons with their neo Nazi flags are season ticket holders and line the pockets of the owners with their money, I cannot bring myself to watch Serie A any more, the soccer is defensive and boring, and the reaction of some in the stands sets the world back decades with race relations.
Soccer crowds are not entirely representative of the whole society. Many people move from North America to Europe because they feel it's more tolerant and open-minded.
It all depends on which stratum of society you are moving in. In western Europe, the racism tends to be concentrated in the very highest and very lowest strata.
Unless things have changed alot in the past 20 years, hardcore club supporters tend to be the more rough hewn working class (or non-working as the case may be) which are also heavily represented in skinhead recruitment. Of course some impressionable middle class youths can also be influenced by this and become wannbees. Hence the dispicable behviour in the stands.
It all depends on which stratum of society you are moving in. In western Europe, the racism tends to be concentrated in the very highest and very lowest strata.
Unless things have changed alot in the past 20 years, hardcore club supporters tend to be the more rough hewn working class (or non-working as the case may be) which are also heavily represented in skinhead recruitment. Of course some impressionable middle class youths can also be influenced by this and become wannbees. Hence the dispicable behviour in the stands.
You must be...David Beckham 23 said:Am I the only one that has watched Italian football and have seen fans make racist remarks to non Italian players?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/4476412.stm
http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/germany/6046
I can understand that in a stadium of 60,000 people you are bound to get a few assholes, few stupid people and a few racists.... But it seems to me that the racist have no fear of what the others in the stadium will think or do to them...... which leads me to believe that they are either fearless or that they are just expressing the underlying attitude in the general community.....
There was a soccer player that got boo'd and monkey chants from his home fans. HIS HOME FANS!! Not the apposing team fans, but his own! When he complained and almost refused to play, the next game his home team fans held up banners and started chants against him.Kathleen said:I don't think its a race issue, rather a culture issue.
Italy is a harsh place if you are not Italian would be better said.
Could be wrong, but Its just an opinion.
If after this world cup win, when every Italian community around the world bonded, and people can't see how proud Italy is as a Nation, then they were in a coma.
Italy is proud of its heritage, and nothing is wrong with that. Having more of a love for true Italians within Italy is just about comfort.
In Canada, I find Quebec to be similar in with their pride. Doesn't mean anyone hates outsiders, they just tend to warm up better to other Quebecers.
Is this the culture you speak of?
http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/germany/6046
Video Tributes: Zidane and Materazzi
Here are video tributes to the two protagonists:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-599012856760622842&pr=goog-sl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HblsV-urHg
Here are video tributes to the two protagonists:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-599012856760622842&pr=goog-sl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HblsV-urHg
Since when did I say it was a "white disease"??? We are talking about Racisim in the World Cup which happened to be in Europe.... So of course my focus of this discussion will be about Europe.Kathleen said:I don't like that at all. Racism is not a white disease.
Jews can hate Arabs, just as easy as Blacks can hate Muslims.
Hate and racism is not restricted to one race or culture.
So far this is the best explanation...
Congrats Bigharv,finally someone figured out what reall happened...BigHarv said:According to the Daily Show's version of events, Materazzi was trying to tell Zidane that he was choking on a spicy meatball and when Zidane finally figured it out, rather than give him the Hiemlich maneuver it was a lot easy to head butt him in the chest in the hopes of dislodging the meatball.
thats BAD..... I dont think that would even happen at a NASCAR event. LOLDavid Beckham 23 said:There was a soccer player that got boo'd and monkey chants from his home fans. HIS HOME FANS!! Not the apposing team fans, but his own! When he complained and almost refused to play, the next game his home team fans held up banners and started chants against him.
Is this the culture you speak of?
http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/germany/6046
I agree that things like that should be settled outside the stadium.... but you must also agree that taunts and insults should not be part of the game either.... racist remarks, remarks about a persons family etc should not be part of the game...shakenbake said:Then again, if Zidane had hit Materazzi hard enough in the chest, he would have killed him by inducing cardiac arrest.
Whatever Materazzi said or did not say, Zidane was definitely NOT a sportsman, as it bothered him so much that he let his team down by commiting such a stupid action as he did. Things like that should have been settled after the game and outside of the stadium.
So how can you condemn Zidane for his stupidity/poor sportsmanship while allowing Materazzi to get away with his poor sportsmanship
I agree that things like that should be settled outside the stadium.... but you must also agree that taunts and insults should not be part of the game either.... racist remarks, remarks about a persons family etc should not be part of the game...shakenbake said:Then again, if Zidane had hit Materazzi hard enough in the chest, he would have killed him by inducing cardiac arrest.
Whatever Materazzi said or did not say, Zidane was definitely NOT a sportsman, as it bothered him so much that he let his team down by commiting such a stupid action as he did. Things like that should have been settled after the game and outside of the stadium.
So how can you condemn Zidane for his stupidity/poor sportsmanship while allowing Materazzi to get away with his poor sportsmanship
AMEN!slowandeasy said:I agree that things like that should be settled outside the stadium.... but you must also agree that taunts and insults should not be part of the game either.... racist remarks, remarks about a persons family etc should not be part of the game...
So how can you condemn Zidane for his stupidity/poor sportsmanship while allowing Materazzi to get away with his poor sportsmanship
vsailor said:I applaud Matterazzi for getting under the bald guy's skin!!!...good way to get the dirty scum bags red carded!!!
Why is everyone bending over backwards for this guy? Even though he is not French born, and yet he is so typical. Good on him, he showed that he is classless and doesnt have the mental tempermant to hold his own on a world stage. Remember, this is not uncommon for him, he has done this stuff before, and was sent off in WC 98 and missed 1 game in this years WC! Sac du blu, Italy are 2006 WC Champs, and thats the bottom line.
P.S. Did anyone see the day after when they were in France, and he was waving to the fans? Show more enthusiam buddy, he just waves like a dumb cave man!!
BBC Radio Five Live asked for help from a deaf lip reader, Jessica Rees, who read the words phonetically to an Italian translator.
She deciphered the insult as being "you're the son of a terrorist whore" - a translation also carried by many national newspapers in Britain on Tuesday.
The BBC's Ten O'Clock News also called in experts to study the television footage of the incident and determined the following:
Materazzi's first word to Zidane was "no" before he then told him to "calm down".
He then accused him of being a "liar" and wished "an ugly death to you and your family" on the day the Frenchman's mother had been taken to hospital ill. This was followed by "Go f*** yourself".
Zidane's agent, Alain Migliaccio, has hinted that Zidane will soon reveal exactly what was said by Materazzi.
She deciphered the insult as being "you're the son of a terrorist whore" - a translation also carried by many national newspapers in Britain on Tuesday.
The BBC's Ten O'Clock News also called in experts to study the television footage of the incident and determined the following:
Materazzi's first word to Zidane was "no" before he then told him to "calm down".
He then accused him of being a "liar" and wished "an ugly death to you and your family" on the day the Frenchman's mother had been taken to hospital ill. This was followed by "Go f*** yourself".
Zidane's agent, Alain Migliaccio, has hinted that Zidane will soon reveal exactly what was said by Materazzi.
Kathleen, alot of muslims are black and I am not speaking of nation of islam. Nigeria and Saudia Arabia have big black mulsim populations. Racism isnt a white disease (and every race does it) but its mostly practice in force by those in power and who can get away with it. An important aspect of racism is having the power to practice it.Kathleen said:I'd have to disagree.
Many Nations through Europe have a very large showing of differant cultures and diversity these days. France, UK, Germany, and many others.
Look at France's team, that seemed pretty diverse.
The differance with Canada (and the US) is both were made up of European immigrants. So taking in more immigrants isn't such a jolt.
But with Euro Nations, they have established heritage, and culture.
Injecting immigrants with foreign ways tends to conflict, thus the occasional tension.
I don't like that at all. Racism is not a white disease.
Jews can hate Arabs, just as easy as Blacks can hate Muslims.
Hate and racism is not restricted to one race or culture.
Here is a lovely photo for all those who want to get on Franky's case! Remember DiCanio didnt do this when we was playing for West Ham in England. He couldnt wait til he got home to Italy to be free to exercise his right to...........
http://www.anpi.it/images/dicanio_070105.jpg
If you think its a joke in most Italian stadia then THINK AGAIN. The crowd loves this and feeds off of it. The Italian football federation still wont do anything about it. This is one reason I could never support a team that represents a football federation like that. Sure they were a very good team and deserve their props but thatdoes change the fact with all the racism and bribery and underhandedness in their football and football federation/associaton should be ignored!
exactly!!!!! This is what I have told many people. Germany knows its being watched. Of course there is still nonsense going on in Germany. They have a large African community(mostly Ghanaians-they have two of them on their team) who get terrorised every now and then in public BUT the German Football federation would move quickly to try and get rid of racist behaviour in their football because they really dont want people coming down on them. The Italians and the Spanish don't really care that much and sometimes try to justify it and nullify it. Look at Spain and how their fans made monkey chants against the Black Brits in a friendly and against France outside the stadium.Meister said:In my opinion Italy and the Italian soccer associaction are not doing enough to clamp down on Nazi stupidity. Germany, understandibly due to its past, tries to clamp down on these things. Italy sort of lets it fly, even with their Nazi past.
If you don't believe me watch the England vs Spain friendly in Madrid I believe. Everytime a black player touched the ball monkey sounds were LOUD in a stadium of more than 70,000. It was quite disturbing and practically allowed to happen. And then there was the Spain coach's remarks about Henry being a black shit. He wasnt fired by the way. I am sure the Canadian or German football federation would fire him.
