What is your take on the TTC situation??

ruck

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While safety may be an issue, the bigger issue was the rearranging of shift work. This I say is total and utter bullshit.

Listen, you got your contract signed. You have a protected job. You get paid to drive a fucking vehicle. Not much brains needed there.
They get paid sweet cash for a dumb job. Yes we need the job or else some will not be able to get around. I feel the same way about garbage handlers. They handle our trash, pay them well.

This issue is retarded on a whole different level. Every company that uses labor workers changes shifts. Many people do not like the shift changes. They all suck it up because they know it's better than not having a job.

This issue would be different if they were underpaid, over utilized and under appreciated. This is not the case. They do their route, day in and day out. They get paid about 20/hr for driving people around all day. Subway conductors don't do shit all.

No sympathy I say. My girlfriend had to walk 10 kilometers to work yesterday in that fucking heat and walk back the same distance afterwork. The result of missing work would've been termination of her job. I would've drove her but my business is 2 hours away from Toronto.

Aside from major inconveniences caused by the strike, there were some very dangerous situations. Imagine if you had to be rushed to the hospital. The resulting gridlock from the strike would've made it a long ride. What if you need to make it to an extremely important appointment. Without prior knowledge of the strike, those people would've been stranded at the last minute. Many people have it worse than TTC drivers. The difference is, those people don't have the cushy protection of an overwhelming union. Most people just quit when unsatisfied with working conditions and expected performance. TTC drivers just whine. I guess if you whine enough, people start believing you.
 

revolver

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Tell her her options are:
1) Go to the school office and ask to borrow the phone
I was thinking the same thing. If she was getting on the bus directly after leaving school and was stranded it seems like an option that would come to mind.

Fab, the TTC does not kick all the boys and girls off the buses, only those that refuse to pay the proper fare. Your daughter has the right to expect a safe ride home on the TTC providing she pays her full fare for the ride. The TTC is not run on charity and does not offer free rides. The drivers are not at liberty to accept riders at reduced fares. They do not make the rules but are expected to enforce them. If you complain about this incident to the TTC as you say you have you will be met by deaf ears because the driver in question cannot be reprimanded because he was following the rules. You cannot discipline someone for doing his job.

It's sad that your daughter was in that situation but it is not the fault of the TTC or the driver. You didn't answer how she eventually got home. Did someone pay her fare? Did she walk? Did the driver finally allow her the ride?

Also, ruck .. you seem to be blaming the drivers for yesterdays strike. As I understand it, it had little to nothing to do with them. They simply were unwilling to cross a picket line. Blame the union executive for yesterdays fiasco, Bob Kinnear in particular and no one else. He is the President of the Union and responsible fully for the strike. If he wasn't responsible for it, as he is claiming, he should resign.
 

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revolver said:
Blame the union executive for yesterdays fiasco, Bob Kinnear in particular and no one else. He is the President of the Union and responsible fully for the strike. If he wasn't responsible for it, as he is claiming, he should resign.
I say bullshit to this too. I will fully blame all the people who were involved in the strike. That includes union bosses and the drivers. They were afraid to cross the picket line? Excuse me? Who fucking makes up the picket line? Yeah that's right, the fucking drivers. Not the union bosses, not the executives, the drivers. Don't tell me it's all about the union boss. Sounds like you might be a driver or something.

This game of "pass the buck" is okay if I ordered a latte and got a cappuccino. This is a much larger issue and people need to be fined, fired and charged. Fucking inconsiderate pieces of shits, the lot of them.

The thing that really pissed me off was the picture on the sun. Fat broad sitting in a camping chair feeding her fugly face some greasy MacDonald's. That's a perfect way of garnering support for your cause. What a lazy sow. She didn't want to give her name but her face is splashed all over the newspaper. She's as bright as a burnt out light bulb.
 

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ruck said:
I say bullshit to this too. I will fully blame all the people who were involved in the strike. That includes union bosses and the drivers. They were afraid to cross the picket line? Excuse me? Who fucking makes up the picket line? Yeah that's right, the fucking drivers. Not the union bosses, not the executives, the drivers. Don't tell me it's all about the union boss. Sounds like you might be a driver or something.
Sorry, but no I'm not. Typical, when people think of the TTC all they see is the drivers. But the main issue was not driver related. They supported the picket line but weren't the cause of it.
 

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The cleaners picketed...

the drivers refused to cross as any union member would do. If all it takes is to be a whiner and uneducated, then Ruck will have no problem getting hired. I see people like Ruck all the time. They tell me that I am overpaid and underworked and lucky to have a job. I wonder what Ruck does for a living? I would like to watch him do his job for 20 seconds and then critique him as he does me. Some people(not me) would say that SP's are overpaid because they lay on their back all day.
Hey Ruck, your description of the lady in the Sun shows your level of class. Maybe we should have pictures of your sweaty gf after that 10k walk. I love it when people are jealous of my situation. Just because I make more money than you does not mean that you should continually take shots. If you are that jealous, then apply. With your attitude, you'll fit right in. Reagarding the signed contract, the TTC management stated there would be no shift changes. As soon as the contract was signed, they re-designed the schedule. A lot of people were upset. Should they have striked? Definitely not. It should have been handled better.
I would not cross the picket line of fellow union members because I have to work with these people the next 20 years. Ruck is upset that his gf's boss is inconsiderate and is taking it out on TTC drivers. with brains like that, don't bother applying to be a driver, think big and go straight for management. If those subway drivers don't do shit, why don't you apply for that job.



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frankcastle

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I was wondering what the catch was....no matter how old the building is that still seems like a pretty good deal for a unit right downtown.

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You can say that again man it hurt to sell the place. I loved being within stumbling distance of home from bars and clubs. Concerts, sporting events, shopping it was great. Every type of restaurant you could think of. Access to a 24 hour TTC line at the end of the street. Subway station one block away.

As for the age of the building I really didn't notice a difference there was a pool table, full gym, sauna, outdoor pool, underground parking, storage lockers.

The only think the place needed was an update on the kitchen cupboards and appliances and a new floor or at least have the parquet floor refinished.

Only thing it lacks from some of the new condos was a party room to sign out, a consierge but there are security guards(spelling), and hot tub, and roof top patio (mind you every unit had a balconey).
 

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xdog said:
the drivers refused to cross as any union member would do. If all it takes is to be a whiner and uneducated, then Ruck will have no problem getting hired. I see people like Ruck all the time. They tell me that I am overpaid and underworked and lucky to have a job. I wonder what Ruck does for a living? I would like to watch him do his job for 20 seconds and then critique him as he does me. Some people(not me) would say that SP's are overpaid because they lay on their back all day.
Hey Ruck, your description of the lady in the Sun shows your level of class. Maybe we should have pictures of your sweaty gf after that 10k walk. I love it when people are jealous of my situation. Just because I make more money than you does not mean that you should continually take shots. If you are that jealous, then apply. With your attitude, you'll fit right in. Reagarding the signed contract, the TTC management stated there would be no shift changes. As soon as the contract was signed, they re-designed the schedule. A lot of people were upset. Should they have striked? Definitely not. It should have been handled better.
I would not cross the picket line of fellow union members because I have to work with these people the next 20 years. Ruck is upset that his gf's boss is inconsiderate and is taking it out on TTC drivers. with brains like that, don't bother applying to be a driver, think big and go straight for management. If those subway drivers don't do shit, why don't you apply for that job.



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You do not make more money then me. Do not mistake my comments as someone who is jealous. I make more than twice your yearly salary so don't play the jealousy card with me bud. I don't need to apply for a job because I own businesses. You drive a bus, on tracks no less. Shhhhhhh.

Now that I'm done being a retaliatory dick, let me speak with a more clear mind. If you actually read my previous post, you'd see that I agree they should be getting paid that much. I also think that garbage handlers deserve the high pay. You guys do the jobs that someone has to do. You should be well compensated for it. With that said, you ARE well compensated for it.

Why don't I apply for a job as a subway conductor? Because I would blow my brains out because of the low situation I find myself in. Driving a subway car and not even really driving it. Mumbling the station names. The only real thing they have to do and they sound like Charlie Browns teacher.

You want to see my gf all sweaty from her 10k hike to work? Why? To further infuriate people? Did you not see the picture of the elderly woman walking her stroller because she couldn't get on a bus? You think that's funny? You wonder why I have such venomous words for that fat sow sitting in the chair? Because it is what it is brother. Pictures speak a thousand words. That picture only said two. LAZY and CONTENT.

You think I'm stupid? I think you're an idiot for keeping a job that you hate and that makes you do things you don't like. People, when brought down to nothing have only one thing, principle. You have neither self esteem or principle judging from your posts in this thread. You put yourself on a pedastal in the quote I used. You think you make good money and that makes you someone to be jealous about. You're wrong. You drive a stinking streetcar. That's the equivalent of a taxi driver if you ask me. And no, I'm not putting taxi drivers down. It's a living and someone has to do it.
 

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Say all you want Ruck

I'm 36 years old and own 3 investment properties as well as my home. I don't hate my job. In fact, I enjoy it. I like to come here and rile a few feathers. It doesn't take much to get the haters out. I also posted some info to elighten people who didn't seem to know all of the facts. When you get some free time from your business, read my posts carefully. I don't see where I stated that I hate my job. I also never put down anyone's profession. My only complaint was with Fab- a very annoying person.
I brought up the jealousy comment because my wage always seems to be brought up. I have never asked for anyone's wage. It's none of my business. As for my hourly rate, you're not that close. As for self-esteem and principle, I have both. Why would you assume otherwise.

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This is just a general comment.

The funny thing is that people love to talk about how job X is overpaid and how easy it is. Why work so hard at your job quit your job and take on one of these so called overpaid cushy jobs.

Have a little respect sheesh. If you haven't done their job you can't possibly know what it's really like and no having a friend doesn't count.

All jobs have their pros and cons that's why people change careers very few people have one career and stick with it their whole lives.
 

red

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revolver said:
I was thinking the same thing. If she was getting on the bus directly after leaving school and was stranded it seems like an option that would come to mind.

Fab, the TTC does not kick all the boys and girls off the buses, only those that refuse to pay the proper fare. Your daughter has the right to expect a safe ride home on the TTC providing she pays her full fare for the ride. The TTC is not run on charity and does not offer free rides. The drivers are not at liberty to accept riders at reduced fares. They do not make the rules but are expected to enforce them. If you complain about this incident to the TTC as you say you have you will be met by deaf ears because the driver in question cannot be reprimanded because he was following the rules. You cannot discipline someone for doing his job.

It's sad that your daughter was in that situation but it is not the fault of the TTC or the driver. You didn't answer how she eventually got home. Did someone pay her fare? Did she walk? Did the driver finally allow her the ride?

Also, ruck .. you seem to be blaming the drivers for yesterdays strike. As I understand it, it had little to nothing to do with them. They simply were unwilling to cross a picket line. Blame the union executive for yesterdays fiasco, Bob Kinnear in particular and no one else. He is the President of the Union and responsible fully for the strike. If he wasn't responsible for it, as he is claiming, he should resign.
she did pay her full fare. she just did not have her student id
 

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Why the insulting response to someone that is insulting?

Both sides escalated it, there is plenty of blame all around. The points made in this "debate" are now lost and you've wasted our time. :mad:
 

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red said:
she did pay her full fare. she just did not have her student id
Technically, no. The fare is set at the student rate when displaying a valid student card. No card - the rate is adult fare.
 

red

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Technically, no. The fare is set at the student rate when displaying a valid student card. No card - the rate is adult fare.
like driving without a licence? you still have it - and if pulled over- you then go and show your licence. why not the same thing here? she is in fact a student, who does have a student card - so she paid whatever the fee for that is.
 

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like driving without a licence? you still have it - and if pulled over- you then go and show your licence. why not the same thing here? she is in fact a student, who does have a student card - so she paid whatever the fee for that is.
If you don't have your driver's licence with you, you can be given a citation, as the law says you must carry it with you at all times when in control of a motor vehicle.
 

red

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If you don't have your driver's licence with you, you can be given a citation, as the law says you must carry it with you at all times when in control of a motor vehicle.
thats what the law says. but has a police officer ever locked you up or taken your keys away if you didn't? I am talking about the law, but what is right
 

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red said:
thats what the law says. but has a police officer ever locked you up or taken your keys away if you didn't? I am talking about the law, but what is right
Taken the keys? No. But I know of many people who have been given a ticket for failing to produce a licence, or proof of insurance etc.

Point is, that is the way the TTC system is. To be eligible for the reduced fare, you must produce a valid card showing you are entitled.
 

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red said:
thats what the law says. but has a police officer ever locked you up or taken your keys away if you didn't? I am talking about the law, but what is right
No but they've made me lock up and leave my car where it is...and given me a ticket for driving without being able to produce a valid licence.....

See the difference here red is what the officer is supposed to do, and what he actually does. It has been stated time and again that the driver could have given her a break, but according to the TTC bylaws, and in the case of the police officer, he shouldn't....capice?

Getting angry or irate at someone who is doing their job, is just inane....
 

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No but they've made me lock up and leave my car where it is...and given me a ticket for driving without being able to produce a valid licence.....
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at the same time, just like everything else, and in this instances the points you 've made about ttc driver. that doesnt happen all the time. I've never ran into this kidna problems, but i know ppl who've been stopped without license, and nothing happened to them. just was told to remember next time.

This is no different then police/driver using his discretion. ya he Should've given a ticket cuz thats the law and hes doing his job but he decided not to.
 

red

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No but they've made me lock up and leave my car where it is...and given me a ticket for driving without being able to produce a valid licence.....

See the difference here red is what the officer is supposed to do, and what he actually does. It has been stated time and again that the driver could have given her a break, but according to the TTC bylaws, and in the case of the police officer, he shouldn't....capice?

Getting angry or irate at someone who is doing their job, is just inane....
I have never had a cop make me lock up the car and leave it.

You may think thats what a cop should do. I don't - the point of the law is that you have a valid driver's licence. carrying the licence doesn't make you a better driver. same with student ID- the point is you pay for the right to pay a student fare. she had done that, and paid the correct fare. I am neither angry nor irate at either the cop that made you walk or the TTC driver- i just think its impractical, bureacratic and small minded.
 

red

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Meesh said:
If you don't have your driver's licence with you, you can be given a citation, as the law says you must carry it with you at all times when in control of a motor vehicle.
yes- as I said above - that is what the law says. but what is the point of the law is really that you have a valid licence and are therefore legally able to drive a motor vehicle. there are lots of things in the letter of the law, but are impractical. tell me have you ever driven over the speed limit? did you report your infraction to the police? no?
 
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