What is your take on the TTC situation??

[Meesh]

I have never had a cop make me lock up the car and leave it.

You may think thats what a cop should do. I don't - the point of the law is that you have a valid driver's licence. carrying the licence doesn't make you a better driver. same with student ID- the point is you pay for the right to pay a student fare. she had done that, and paid the correct fare. I am neither angry nor irate at either the cop that made you walk or the TTC driver- i just think its impractical, bureacratic and small minded.

And that is precisely why many organizations are no longer allowing their employees discretion.

If it's done once, it is then EXPECTED. If they choose NOT to let the rule slide, they are called 'bureaucratic' or 'small-minded' for simply doing what they are supposed to do under normal circumstance.

 

[red]

And that is precisely why many organizations are no longer allowing their employees discretion.

If it's done once, it is then EXPECTED. If they choose NOT to let the rule slide, they are called 'bureaucratic' or 'small-minded' for simply doing what they are supposed to do under normal circumstance.

my friend we agree on the facts, and therefore it is only our opinions which are at variance. we can agree to disagree. thanks

 

[Meesh]

my friend we agree on the facts, and therefore it is only our opinions which are at variance. we can agree to disagree. thanks

Yep.

Group hug....

...naw...

 

[booboobear]

I'm 36 years old and own 3 investment properties as well as my home. I don't hate my job. In fact, I enjoy it. I like to come here and rile a few feathers. It doesn't take much to get the haters out. I also posted some info to elighten people who didn't seem to know all of the facts. When you get some free time from your business, read my posts carefully. I don't see where I stated that I hate my job. I also never put down anyone's profession. My only complaint was with Fab- a very annoying person.
I brought up the jealousy comment because my wage always seems to be brought up. I have never asked for anyone's wage. It's none of my business. As for my hourly rate, you're not that close. As for self-esteem and principle, I have both. Why would you assume otherwise.

x

This proves you are made more than enough and if you strike you should be fired . Most of the people you screwed up don't make nearly what you do so quit bitching.

 

[ruck]

Ah the reverance the whining brings. Hey xdog, does it make you feel better to be see-sawing back and forth on responsibility? You made an assumption of my income and now that I've told you that your income is peanuts compared to mine, you back track.

At least when you were forthright and so self-righteous, you could retain a small level of respect. Now you have none. Go back to driving your street car and being a miserable bastard.

While I was in college, I used the TTC on many many occasions. The bus drivers are not there to be friendly. They are not there to be your friends at all. However, when you're dealing with the public, a bit of personality wouldn't hurt. I never made claims that the drivers do not do a shitty job. They do. I never made claims that they don't have to put up with shit. They do. I never made claims that drivers don't face rude riders. They do. However, it's your job. A job that you knew full well that dealing with people was going to be top priority. When dealing with people you deal with good and bad. You don't like it, find another job.

In my businesses, a worker decides he/she doesn't want to work a shift that I assigned, they get fired. I am flexible in allowing them holidays and sick days. I work around their schedule to make sure everyone is happy. However if after the schedule has been posted and the worker decides he/she doesn't like it and won't show up, they get terminated. That my friend is business. TTC is a business. I think you guys should take a big financial hit, the union that is, and the top guys should be fired.

Now it's time to see the backbone of the union members. If you guys/gals didn't want to strike, fire your boss. It's that simple and don't tell me otherwise.

 

[ruck]

My final statement in this thread which I didn't comment on before.

That child didn't produce a student ID, then too bad. End of discussion.
It's like going to a store, asking for cigs and not having ID. You don't have it, too bad. Rules are rules. Follow them. The ones who make exceptions do so at their own discretion. Never think that because it happened before that it will happen again.

And yes, the cops DO give you tickets for "unable to surrender valid driver license." It's a law that you MUST carry your license with you at all times. Again, if the officer decides he's going to be nice, then that's that. However, don't expect the cop to let you off. It's the rule and they are supposed to follow.

 

[revolver]

I am neither angry nor irate at either the cop that made you walk or the TTC driver- i just think its impractical, bureacratic and small minded.

You may think it is but that doesn't change the rules. Which are, a student fare is only valid when appropriate id is presented. No id and you pay the full adult fare. Any driver that doesn't enforce that isn't following the rules. ie - isn't doing his job. You cannot fault someone for doing his job as instructed.

 

[red]

You may think it is but that doesn't change the rules. Which are, a student fare is only valid when appropriate id is presented. No id and you pay the full adult fare. Any driver that doesn't enforce that isn't following the rules. ie - isn't doing his job. You cannot fault someone for doing his job as instructed.

yes I can find fault with them, without even resorting to hyperbole and citing war criminals.

The real purpose of this regulation is to ensure that students (real students) get a discounted fare. that was the point of the reg. not to make sure that someone carries their student ID. yes- the regulations state that and yes the driver was following the regulations. but it is also true that the student in question paid the proper fare. she was a real student, had paid for a student id card, but yes- had forgotten the card that day.

I find it hard to believe, and a little bit amusing, that this board is filled with such law abiding citizens who want every bylaw enforced to the letter.

 

[ruck]

yes I can find fault with them, without even resorting to hyperbole and citing war criminals.

The real purpose of this regulation is to ensure that students (real students) get a discounted fare. that was the point of the reg. not to make sure that someone carries their student ID. yes- the regulations state that and yes the driver was following the regulations. but it is also true that the student in question paid the proper fare. she was a real student, had paid for a student id card, but yes- had forgotten the card that day.

I find it hard to believe, and a little bit amusing, that this board is filled with such law abiding citizens who want every bylaw enforced to the letter.

It has nothing to do with us wanting to enforce the bylaws. It has everything to do with people who whine about rules that have been in place for years. Students know that if they dont' have their ID card, then the fare will be as what other people pay. It's her fault that she forgot her student ID, not the drivers. While it may have been "nice" of the driver to just let it slide, in no way is he obligated to do so. Nor is he a monster, jerk off, asshole or anything derogatory for doing his job. In retrospect, the girl was totally at fault. While I can understand a parents frustrations over the ordeal, might I suggest you teach your children the importance of following rules and the responsibility to produce proper documentation when needed. I.E. Carry the damn student card.

Red, it's absolutely absurd what you are saying. Anyone who reads this can say that. You know the rules are there but you suggest that people should just shrug it off and let it slide. Where would we be as a civilized society if every rule was tossed aside at the discretion of a single individual? Chaos.

Let me use an analogy. A sp you like and have seen for a long time charges 200/hr but for some reason she let it slide when you were short 20 bucks. So next time you go see another sp you forget the price again and are short 20 bucks. She doesn't like that and demands the rest of the money or your appointment is cancelled. Is she a bitch or just doing her job and demanding what she deserves? Is she being beurocratic?

The REAL point of the student reduced fare is so students get a break. In order to get that break, you MUST provide valid ID that states you are currently a student. Without the ID process in place, what is stopping street kids or people who look young from taking advantage of a cash strapped transit system? There isn't. You're obviously going to argue until you're red in the face. LOL So this is becoming a moot point.

Cheers.

 

[tboy]

btw, where is our little drama queen aka fabulous? we haven't seen any of her hysteronics for a couple of pages now.....

 

[ruck]

btw, where is our little drama queen aka fabulous? we haven't seen any of her hysteronics for a couple of pages now.....

I don't know but the statement that she made was horrendous. What kind of person wishes pain and suffering onto others.

 

[Brookstone]

i asked this question a couple times already but anyways, again.

Is there a rule that allows drunk/homeless on ttc for free??
If not , then they should not be allowed to ride for free because they didnt pay the fare.

ya you can say its her fault she forget her id, just like its ppls own faults they forget something.
But how would it be fair that drunk/homeless can ride for free but young girl paid a fare, albeit a student fare without ID, cant ride? If there isnt a rule that allows them to ride for free.

If you want to enforce rules, then you have to enforce it all the way. No exceptions. If someone has no fare or short of fare and there is a problem then they should call their super or whatever the procedure is for them to do so. And let proper authority/ppl deal with it. I doubt sitting there for 20mins is procedure though.
Or else it all comes back to ones discretion,common sense or anything else you can name.

 

[xdog]

You guys are right...

I lowered myself like Ruck, Fab and KWI. I was upset that they made assumptions about me and in turn I took shots at them.
Please go back and review my posts and point out where I said that I din't like my job. I never mentioned money or brains until they were brought up by other people. My point was that you shouldn't make assumtions. I never said that I was highly paid. I never stated my exact income. You can find my hourly rate at ttc.ca. I never mentioned income because I don't judge people on income nor profession. You'll never see me make judgements on an SP because she charges more or less than another. I would never make assumptions on KWI's job of beating guys off for a living. That is her choice.
I can only guess that KWI would be totally against sex trade workers having their own organization.
BOOBoo's statement only proves my point that people always bring up someone's income or benefits or etc. if they have been inconvenienced.
I posted because I felt that the real facts were not being mentioned. There were 800 maintenace workers picketing. The drivers refused to cross the picket. I would never cross a picket of co-workers. If that means that I have no balls, then so be it.

Ruck, I never assumed that you made less than me. You brought up income, not I. In the previous contract, TTC management stated there would be no shift changes. A few months later, they instigated shift changes. They wanted to take on the union. The union responded in a poor manner. Nowhere will you find that I supported the strike.

I'm not sure why KWI is so bitter. She works in a service-oriented industry. I'm sure that she has days that are good and bad. Should I assume that she only services people who make a certain income? That would be unfair to the ones who had to save up to partake in her service.

I brought up the properties to show that you can't make assumptions about people. I had to sacrifice for those investments. For example, I 'm sure there are people in the sex industry who have dreams and are doing this to provide a future for them. How many women here want to work giving hj and bj until they are 65? Not many I bet. Just like I don't want to keep working until then.
As for people wondering what kind of meds I take. I'm on paxil. It's beginning to work. I wouldn't wish depression on anyone, even Fab and KWI. Or even Ruck.
I do wish that I hadn't replied in a negative manner. I should act in a more mature manner. Sometimes it's hard to act like an adult when people continually take shots at you and your co-workers. It's a waste of time replying to close-minded people.



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[ruck]

I lowered myself like Ruck, Fab and KWI. I was upset that they made assumptions about me and in turn I took shots at them.
Please go back and review my posts and point out where I said that I din't like my job. I never mentioned money or brains until they were brought up by other people. My point was that you shouldn't make assumtions. I never said that I was highly paid. I never stated my exact income. You can find my hourly rate at ttc.ca. I never mentioned income because I don't judge people on income nor profession. You'll never see me make judgements on an SP because she charges more or less than another. I would never make assumptions on KWI's job of beating guys off for a living. That is her choice.
I can only guess that KWI would be totally against sex trade workers having their own organization.
BOOBoo's statement only proves my point that people always bring up someone's income or benefits or etc. if they have been inconvenienced.
I posted because I felt that the real facts were not being mentioned. There were 800 maintenace workers picketing. The drivers refused to cross the picket. I would never cross a picket of co-workers. If that means that I have no balls, then so be it.

Ruck, I never assumed that you made less than me. You brought up income, not I. In the previous contract, TTC management stated there would be no shift changes. A few months later, they instigated shift changes. They wanted to take on the union. The union responded in a poor manner. Nowhere will you find that I supported the strike.

I'm not sure why KWI is so bitter. She works in a service-oriented industry. I'm sure that she has days that are good and bad. Should I assume that she only services people who make a certain income? That would be unfair to the ones who had to save up to partake in her service.

I brought up the properties to show that you can't make assumptions about people. I had to sacrifice for those investments. For example, I 'm sure there are people in the sex industry who have dreams and are doing this to provide a future for them. How many women here want to work giving hj and bj until they are 65? Not many I bet. Just like I don't want to keep working until then.
As for people wondering what kind of meds I take. I'm on paxil. It's beginning to work. I wouldn't wish depression on anyone, even Fab and KWI. Or even Ruck.
I do wish that I hadn't replied in a negative manner. I should act in a more mature manner. Sometimes it's hard to act like an adult when people continually take shots at you and your co-workers. It's a waste of time replying to close-minded people.



x

See, now you are becoming a bold face liar. Read your own posts bud, you were the first to insight that I was jealous because you made more money than me. Now I see why your story is back and forth. You are on meds. Sorry about that. You should quit your job. If a job drives you to depression then it's utterly unhealthy for you.

For the record, your co-workers are lazy. They have a job as a janitor or custodian. The most efficient time for cleaning a busy workplace is at night when it's closed. Many businesses employ the same method.

The drivers didn't want to cross the picket line of people who they see in passing. Be completely honest and tell me how many of these custodians you talk to, chill with and have coffees with? How does pissing off a custodian do anything to your own job? It doesn't. They clean and mop, you drive. They are not connected.

But let me get this straight. Since the workers are pissed they have a right to strike? And management has to take it or leave it? Since when did the employees become the bosses?

Like I said, there are too many people who have it worse than you TTC union members. Stop the whining.

 

[TheNiteHwk]

... As for people wondering what kind of meds I take. I'm on paxil. It's beginning to work. I wouldn't wish depression on anyone,...

In recovery circles we have an old saying: "Who is driving your bus?"


Now every time I take TTC... I'll be wondering... who is driving this bus anyway.

 

[Fabulous]

I don't know but the statement that she made was horrendous. What kind of person wishes pain and suffering onto others.

what kind of horrendous person tries to kick off a 14 year old child off public transport without refunding the paid fare, oh yeah the old misrable paxil using ttc driver. get a grip I am only wishing it not INFLICTING the suffering as the ttc driver did, along with the traffic chaos it caused.

tboy I am done with you - you bore me

 

[revolver]

For the record, your co-workers are lazy. They have a job as a janitor or custodian. The most efficient time for cleaning a busy workplace is at night when it's closed. Many businesses employ the same method.

You're making assumptions about people you don't know and have likely never met

The drivers didn't want to cross the picket line of people who they see in passing. Be completely honest and tell me how many of these custodians you talk to, chill with and have coffees with? How does pissing off a custodian do anything to your own job? It doesn't. They clean and mop, you drive. They are not connected.

They belong to the same union. Very likely xdog doesn't know many of the workers that are involved in the issue though he may know some. You obviously don't know much about union dynamics. Once a strike is on the rest of the union is expected to support it even though the issue may not effect them directly. In some cases it may not be possible for drivers to run their routes since access to their vehicles was likely blocked by picket lines. There's obviously more to this than we know so it's best not to speculate without knowledge of the supporting activities. You only see the drivers but there is much more that goes on to support that activity. Also, there would be peer pressure from strikers attempting to influence those that wanted to work. Many people don't believe in crossing picket lines.

But let me get this straight. Since the workers are pissed they have a right to strike? And management has to take it or leave it? Since when did the employees become the bosses?

To be straight, no the workers had no right to strike. That's why the Ontario Labour Board called it an illegal strike and ordered them back to work. And to be fair. xdog has stated several times that he was not in favour of the strike. Management also has options open to them and I'm sure we'll hear more on this as time moves forward.

 

[Fabulous]

So next time you go see another sp you forget the price again and are short 20 bucks. She doesn't like that and demands the rest of the money or your appointment is cancelled. Is she a bitch or just doing her job and demanding what she deserves? Is she being beurocratic?

Wait a minute so she already has your $180.00 is refusing to ride you, is threatening to kick your ass out of her place if you don't come with the rest and no money refunded???????

would you try and ride her again?

think people think - before you come with your anologies, lol

 

[xdog]

Thanks to the understanding people out there...

Will someone please show that I was the person who first brought up the topic of income. It seems there is alot of hate out there. BTW, I'm not depressed because of my job. Job has nothing to do with it. I posted a differing opinion because I thought people might like to hear from the other side. I should have known better. People have pre-conceived notions that will not or cannot be changed. I guess that's why there will always be discrimination in this world. At least I got Ruck and KWI to agree with one another.
Might I also add that I never whined about my job. I continue to like it. I mentioned some of my war stories. We all have them.
I replied rudely to people were were attacking my co-workers. That was wrong.
Anyway, I 'll let you go. Gotta get back to the reviews. That is why we are here.


x

 

[ruck]

Wait a minute so she already has your $180.00 is refusing to ride you, is threatening to kick your ass out of her place if you don't come with the rest and no money refunded???????

would you try and ride her again?

think people think - before you come with your anologies, lol

Your obviously an idiot. Think before you TRY to seem witty.