villaneuva to the bucks

[slowandeasy]

..because you go from having two post up threats (CV and Bosh) and an outside shooter / scorer to punish teams that double team them (James), to only ONE consistent scorer (Bosh) and no one to take the double pressure off of him (because Ford can't shoot).

If you think the 7-0 225 lbs, never seen a weight machine, 11 pts / game with no boards in the Italian league Bargnani is going to give you (this year) the 14 - 16 points / 6 - 8 reb you could have reasonably expected out of CV, you are dreaming.

If you make this trade because you think TJ Ford is the next Mo Cheeks, a pure point guard without big points and assist numbers - ok. But if you beleive that - why didn't the Bucks? Why couldn't TJ keep the other Buck point guards on the bench? And BTW - Cheeks could shoot - he was one of the most effiecnt shooting point guards in league history - he just didn't shoot much. TJ Ford can't shoot.

I understand that perhaps BC thought his chemistry was wrong with James at PG...ok, whatever. To me, you then DRAFT a "pure point", you don't give up proven talent to get one, unless you get PROVEN TALENT in return. TJ Ford has not proved he is top 25% NBA point guard yet...not even top 50%.

My analysis is that this trade makes the team worse - you've given up a proven scorer (CV) and put another one in limbo (James) for a guy who can't score (Ford). And BTW - who the fuck is he going to be doing all this passing too now?? A double and triple teamed Bosh?

Its a return to 2004, with Bosh as the only guy who can put the ball in the hole..

Will there ever be another Mo Cheeks??? I hated the Sixers of that day, but loved MO's attitude and heart....

Damn, I just agreed with MALM... worse yet... I have to agree with the rest of your analysis above.... I cannot understand why they would not have drafted a PG.... the only thing that I can think of is that BC could not get a good deal for the #1 choice

But Mike James was not much of a point guard!!!!! More of a shooting Guard..

 

[slidebone]

I have the feeling CV is going to have a really big year for the Bucks. It's a shame he is gone. I hope there was a lot of cash thrown in for him.

Mike James I will not miss. He's a selfish player. He takes his teammates out of the game by shooting too much. Yes, he's talented, but he pads his stats while the team loses. Chris Bosh complained about it (he didn't name names but it was pretty clear he was talking about James) in an interview. James is done here.

A lot of interesting trades, and I don't think BC is done yet. Right now our bench is terrible.

 

[basketcase]

.... I cannot understand why they would not have drafted a PG....

I would guess because there wasn't one in the draft (unless you consider Marcus, the overweight, unathletic theif).

....

Bench
Pape, Barrette, Tucker, Humpries, Graham, Calderson, Ukic (if he aint in span.), Alvin (depending on his contact), d.martin,
...

Can anyone say uh-oh! (and Martin won't play, either will Alvin)

The trade has potential but if people are complaining about defense, losing Charlie probably helps the D.

 

[iluvquarks]

I love this trade

And it's not done yet. We were too "green" before this trade. CV3 had no playoff experience while at least TJ helped lead the bucks into the playoffs last year, so now are starting line up is:

PG - Ford (young and fast floor general that can actually lead and dictate the game's tempo)
SG - MoPete (very good spot shooter)
F- Bosh (all star)
F- hope it's not Bargnani yet
C- Nesterovic (not the best stats, but a true center and he's been with the Spurs and have tasted a championship)

Much much better than last year, but we need a strong, playoff experienced forward to help Bargnani develop. Our bench wouldn't be that bad too in this scenario (Bargnani, Graham, Calderon, Williams if he's healthy)

 

[Choron]

..because you go from having two post up threats (CV and Bosh) and an outside shooter / scorer to punish teams that double team them (James), to only ONE consistent scorer (Bosh) and no one to take the double pressure off of him (because Ford can't shoot).

If you think the 7-0 225 lbs, never seen a weight machine, 11 pts / game with no boards in the Italian league Bargnani is going to give you (this year) the 14 - 16 points / 6 - 8 reb you could have reasonably expected out of CV, you are dreaming.

If you make this trade because you think TJ Ford is the next Mo Cheeks, a pure point guard without big points and assist numbers - ok. But if you beleive that - why didn't the Bucks? Why couldn't TJ keep the other Buck point guards on the bench? And BTW - Cheeks could shoot - he was one of the most effiecnt shooting point guards in league history - he just didn't shoot much. TJ Ford can't shoot.

I understand that perhaps BC thought his chemistry was wrong with James at PG...ok, whatever. To me, you then DRAFT a "pure point", you don't give up proven talent to get one, unless you get PROVEN TALENT in return. TJ Ford has not proved he is top 25% NBA point guard yet...not even top 50%.

My analysis is that this trade makes the team worse - you've given up a proven scorer (CV) and put another one in limbo (James) for a guy who can't score (Ford). And BTW - who the fuck is he going to be doing all this passing too now?? A double and triple teamed Bosh?

Its a return to 2004, with Bosh as the only guy who can put the ball in the hole..

You are being far too negative and cynical about T.J. Ford man...First you compare him to a Hall of Famer; OBVIOUSLY he won't compare...Second, T.J. Ford is better than any point guard that was available this year...(Marcus Williams = Overrated and a half and unprepared for the NBA @ 14% body fat LMAO) Third, T.J. Ford is certainly in the top 50% of PG's in the league...Fourth, there isn't a huge difference between 12 and 6 and 16 and 8 when you consider how a YOUNG player will DEVELOP...Fifth, the Itialian isn't 225, he's 255...That's a big difference and I can gaurantee you he has seen a weight machine..(you're obviously not even giving the #1 overall draft pick a chance dude...) I mean he led his league in blocks so his defense isn't bad and he won't do anything but get better at rebounding...Look at Dirk, when he came into the league he couldn't rebound for shit...Now he grabs defensive rebounds all the time... Lastly, ANYONE who says T.J. Ford isn't proven talent needs to have their mouth sewn shut because they are running their mouth...Lastly, as far as this being a return to 2004... You are a fool if you think so... Losing CV doesn't mean we lost our fucking team...

It's a proven fact in todays NBA, you give up talent to get it in return...

 

[Choron]

Let's not forget T.J. is 23 and never had a Bosh-type talent to play with. He may not hit the 16 ppg average, but I guarantee he will get to the 8+ apg average.

Michael Redd is easily Bosh level talent...

 

[AndrewV1]

I hope BC has a big free agent signing and one more trade to round out the line-up.

I was dissappointed that he didn't trade down the draft to get the italian kid.

 

[iluvquarks]

Disappointed BC didn't trade down in the draft?? The price wasn't right so he kept it and got a talented point guard instead. BC's thinking a number of steps ahead and not just the best value for a particular situation. That's a strategist right there. This team is going places and I'm back to being a voracious Raptor fan.

 

[Choron]

May I also point out that BC has said the he wants to make Toronto a destination for more international players...

AND

Last time I checked Peja wasn't from the US

HINT HINT?

 

[RTRD]

Agree...

You are being far too negative and cynical about T.J. Ford man...First you compare him to a Hall of Famer; OBVIOUSLY he won't compare...Second, T.J. Ford is better than any point guard that was available this year...(Marcus Williams = Overrated and a half and unprepared for the NBA @ 14% body fat LMAO) Third, T.J. Ford is certainly in the top 50% of PG's in the league...Fourth, there isn't a huge difference between 12 and 6 and 16 and 8 when you consider how a YOUNG player will DEVELOP...Fifth, the Itialian isn't 225, he's 255...That's a big difference and I can gaurantee you he has seen a weight machine..(you're obviously not even giving the #1 overall draft pick a chance dude...) I mean he led his league in blocks so his defense isn't bad and he won't do anything but get better at rebounding...Look at Dirk, when he came into the league he couldn't rebound for shit...Now he grabs defensive rebounds all the time... Lastly, ANYONE who says T.J. Ford isn't proven talent needs to have their mouth sewn shut because they are running their mouth...Lastly, as far as this being a return to 2004... You are a fool if you think so... Losing CV doesn't mean we lost our fucking team...

It's a proven fact in todays NBA, you give up talent to get it in return...

...on some points. And you are right about Andera...I thought I head 225, and looking at him he looks SO damn skinny...and whimpy...and I heard repeatly that he DOES NOT REBOUND...but if he blocks shots...well...ok. But if he gives the Raps 14 and 7 this year you pick the bar because I owe you a drink. I simply don't believe it.

But I disagree on this: that 12 and 6 is close to 16 and 8. i can name a DOZEN point guards in the last few years who never got to 16 and 8 after a few years at 12 and 6 (Jamel Tinsley anyone?). 12 and 6 point guards grow on trees...two of them come into the league every year.

TJ Ford as shown nothing to me that says he can make the leap - and he has shown a clear indication that he might not - he can't shoot. If you can't shoot, teams will simply lay off you, and the passing lanes and dribble penetration soon goes away.

Of course, everyone (well, Raptors fans) hope he improves as a shooter. But if he doesn't...ever hear of Speedy Claxton?

 

[maurice93]

Toronto can't afford this guy.

WHAT???

We have the cap space that can allow us to sign him.. if that is the direction BC wants.

 

[bobistheowl]

7) Bye bye Mike James...Go back to your precious Houston you ass...

I'm not sure that Mike James realizes that 25 of the 30 teams are over the cap, and only have the mid level exemption, (I think it's 4.5 Million), available for free agents.

One of those teams is the Bulls; the other four are Atlanta, Charlotte, New Orleans/Oklahoma, and the Raptors.

The Bulls are likely looking to spend on more of an impact player than James. There wouldn't be a lot of minutes for lowercase mj in Chitown if he'd be splitting minutes with Chris Duhon, Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich.

Atlanta may be stupid enough to overpay him, and he might be able to keep his numbers inflated there. He doesn't look like a good fit for the Bobcats or the Hornets, though.

He may have to beg for a sign-and-trade, or come back to TO for whatever BC offers. In any event, his minutes and numbers should be down next year. I think BC and the other GMs know this, and James doesn't want to believe it.

 

[frankcastle]

Sad to see CV go but I guess he would have slowed the development of AB.

James struck me as a ball hog and got more and more selfish as the season wore on.

BC has done a great job so far. He's addressed the centre and pg problems the team had by adding RN and TJF...... and he has yet to spend any of that cap money! With the money that the team has they can sign most free agents out there so don't be surprised if a big name player comes to T.O.

I think Peja would be a good player to add to the team.

Still wouldn't mind getting Jay Williams as a back up PG since the bench is ankle deep.

 

[AndrewV1]

What about PJ Tucker? Their 2nd round pick?

Is he ready to put in some good minutes off the bench?

And have they signed Jorga Garbajosa (or whatever his name is)? Any good?

 

[tonytwist007]

Our bench wouldn't be that bad too in this scenario (Bargnani, Graham, Calderon, Williams if he's healthy)

Add possible free agents such as Drew Gooden, Tim Thomas, and/or Al Harrington and suddenly the Raptors look like a serious contender in the East. Hope BC can make it happen. I don't remember being so excited about the upcoming season since 2001.

 

[Choron]

Tim Thomas shouldn't be leaving Phoenix...He's at a point in his career where he wants to win a championchip...

 

[BlahBlah]

Michael Redd is easily Bosh level talent...

Oops, sorry, you're right. I completley forgot about Redd.

 

[AndrewV1]

Peja just got signed by the Hornets. Raptors will have to look elsewhere.

 

[RTRD]

Wow....

5 year $64 million..... the raptors where never in the running to compare to that contract. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...?slug=ap-hornets-stojakovic&prov=ap&type=lgns

...for an old one dimensional player who disappears at crunch time.

I swear I could be a better GM than about half the guys running sports teams...

 

[Oil Please]

29 is old?