TRUMP WINS

Leimonis

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“So why would someone declare loyalty to a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist?”

That’s like asking me why I still think Plato is a good philosopher even though he fucked little boys in the ass.

And then accusing me of being okay with little boys being fucked in the ass.
Would you be okay with Plato becoming a philosophy professor in your local high school?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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I don’t think it’s good reasoning to say “loyal to Trump, therefore must be dumb or cruel”

You’re basically saying,

One’s loyalties entails a transference of traits to oneself from the person receiving loyalty. E.g. A is loyal B, B is dumb, so by extension A is dumb too.

Appointments to government should not be chosen by considering loyalties


Why would either of those two statements be true or obvious? They’re super contentious. Maybe you can shore them up more.

I can see reasons why he chose these people tbh, it’s not hard to fathom

…but ya they are definitely provocative choices lmao, that’s what is just hilarious
Dumb or cruel. Or perhaps both. Maybe even smart and cruel lol.
He picked them so he does not have to face the issues he did in his first term.
He wants loyalists everywhere that will do his bidding, be yes men so he can behave like a dictator.
Essentially he wants to undermine the checks and balances that exist and greatly increase the powers of the office of the presidency.
This is a dangerous slippery slope.
Fascism is a process. This is how it starts.
So what would be the character of the person who is willing to be loyal to Trump and his policies (many of which I consider to be cruel and/or dumb)?
Dumb or cruel.
But having said that, whether or not these picks will actually be effective in executing their nefarious agenda is TBC.
 
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Dumb or cruel. One of the two.
He picked them so he does not face the issues he did in his first term.
He wants loyalists everywhere that will do his bidding so he can behave like a dictator.
Essentially he wants to undermine the checks and balances that exist and greatly increase the powers of the office of the presidency.
This is a dangerous slippery slope.
Fascism is a process. This is how it starts.
There is the possibility that trump actually thinks RFK jr and his brain worm's theory that diseases aren't caused by germs is actually brilliant and he thinks it will fix the US health care system. That's more likely than the self declared germaphobe just wants all americans to get sick.

Lets see if RFK jr can make america's health care system great again, again.

 

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“So why would someone declare loyalty to a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist?”

That’s like asking me why I still think Plato is a good philosopher even though he fucked little boys in the ass.

And then accusing me of being okay with little boys being fucked in the ass.
that's one type of rebuttal with unpleasant imaging

this straightforward
“So why would someone declare loyalty to a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist?”

rebuttal:
because the majority of the electorate did not buy into the ''convicted felon and adjudicated rapist'' view and voted for him

dead simple for someone to declare loyalty when they have the electorate with the same view

future events may make the electorate re-evaluate / change their loyalty just as an appointee may decide his / her loyalty was misplaced

I am pretty sure JWR, & Bill Morneau are kicking themselves for their initial loyalty to Justin Trudeau as are 20 odd liberal MPs who are concerned they will have a forced career change
 

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There is the possibility that trump actually thinks RFK jr and his brain worm's theory that diseases aren't caused by germs is actually brilliant and he thinks it will fix the US health care system. That's more likely than the self declared germaphobe just wants all americans to get sick.

Lets see if RFK jr can make america's health care system great again, again.

That is why am saying that they either have to be dumb - like Betsy Devos if you remember lol. Or Matt Gaetz lol.
Or cruel - like Stephen Miller, Thomas Homan etc.,
Or smart and cruel - like Elon Musk.
 

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REE you’re making the same error
do I? you seem to be saying that a criminal will not be a criminal when he is given power that would allow him to commit even more crimes and not bear responsibility for crimes past or future. I hope you are right 🤷‍♀️
 
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That's rich! lol
department leaders will each be given a letter detailing their mandate
The chief of staff will have the letter drafted & the appointee and in this case Trump will sign it
Standard operating procedure

Will Trump read it before signing it ?
different question and perhaps a non-standard procedure
but there will be a mandate letter outlining the objectives

there will be a letter containing the word deportation
still lol ?
 

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REE you’re making the same error
You could clarify your point so we don't have go guess.
Or maybe you enjoy the guesses as much as I enjoy guessing.

How about you would never declare loyalty to a rapist but you'd be happy to have him control all your tax money and the Miss Universe contestants because gas will be cheaper? That a kakistocracy is a small price to pay for lower taxes.

Or how about its because you really do think trump is as brilliant as Plato once was thought to be, that despite his rapey orange exterior you believe trump's inner beauty to project that of theism's ideals of realizing some sort of inner yet universal gord.

Oh, I know, you think the US will just enjoy making america great again again and the pain of the unlubed anal entry will be forgotten once you enjoy the glow of satisfaction from the orange hero, as Greek boys used to learn with Plato.

Closer?
 
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Hoemygawd. Guys.

do I? you seem to be saying that a criminal will not be a criminal when he is given power that would allow him to commit even more crimes and not bear responsibility for crimes past or future. I hope you are right 🤷‍♀️
No. That’s not what I’m saying.

You mean you think that the rules (not laws) say its just as ok to put convicts and sex offenders in charge as it was for ancient Greeks to be gay or pedophiles?
Or do you mean that just because someone is a rapist and fraud artist doesn't mean that he also can't be as smart as he declares he is?

Or perhaps you'd like to clarify instead of me guessing.

No I didn’t mean that at all, either.

Try to forget the comparison for now and imagine someone just asked me:

How can you still believe Plato is a good philosopher when he had sex with little boys, and you think having sex with little boys is wrong?

How do you think I would likely answer that? It’s easy to guess.

Obviously, I would say that it’s because his philosophy is good regardless of that, because sex with little boys has no bearing on his talent as a philosopher. And conversely his philosophy has no bearing on how I much I condemn sex with little boys, it doesn’t concern that topic.

That’s reasonable isn’t it? Is Michael Jackson no longer talented if he diddled boys? Are his songs no longer good?

We can make an analogy there about leadership and governance too.

Lots of these details about what Trump allegedly did (especially sexually) have no bearing on his actual leadership qualities or what he plans to do. Is he going to make a policy on grabbing women by the pussy lmao, then legalize rape?

I don’t really care about the rape thing in this context. Not even enough to check the veracity. Doesn’t mean I’m okay with rape. If Trump fails as President will it be because he was a rapist? It won’t have anything to do with rape, you all know that, come on. It’ll depend on his other traits and capacities and decisions.



Plato as a high school teacher of boys is a different thing. Then, you would ask “Kelly how could think Plato would be a good instructor at an all boys school?” I would say I do not. Completely different set of criteria for judgement and liking sex with boys actually matters there.

Also btw, I don’t know if Plato had sex with boys. The veracity doesn’t matter. I just said that to show that the most graphic morally repugnant thing, sometimes doesn’t matter for some judgements. At least not mine.

Even it were true the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy website would still be named after Plato 😂. I promise you.

Hope that’s clearer now. Truly did not intend more time here LOL. Gn.
 

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You could clarify your point so we don't have go guess.
Or maybe you enjoy the guesses as much as I enjoy guessing.
I wasn’t trying to be cryptic or evasive or anything, I genuinely thought my meaning was clear 😅. I’m sure I will be met with boos and hisses regardless lol

all good
 
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