TPS officer killed

[Phil C. McNasty]

Well over $200K now

Donate to All I hope for is Justice for Umar Zameer's Legal, organized by Aaida Y Shaikh

Umar has been acquitted of all charges! Our family has gone through s… Aaida Y Shaikh needs your support for All I hope for is Justice for Umar Zameer's Legal

www.gofundme.com

 

[Tiger]

Well over $200K now

Donate to All I hope for is Justice for Umar Zameer's Legal, organized by Aaida Y Shaikh

Umar has been acquitted of all charges! Our family has gone through s… Aaida Y Shaikh needs your support for All I hope for is Justice for Umar Zameer's Legal

www.gofundme.com

OK I just checked the GoFund me page, and reading the nice comments from the donations has renewed my faith in humanity. I am so happy for this guy, and simultaneously still embarrassed, shocked, saddened that he and his family had to endure this trauma for the past three years inflicted upon them by the police and Crown attorney office

It's also sad that our happiness for this verdict overshadows the grief that the Northrup widow and family are going thru now... ironically now they are victims all over again having to re-live this. We know the chief of police wished for a guilty verdict (no matter how he tried to back-track in today's news conference), and if the widow also wished for guilty, she must be crushed to see the overwhelming support we've given to Zameer and his family

 

[SchlongConery]

OK I just checked the GoFund me page, and reading the nice comments from the donations has renewed my faith in humanity. I am so happy for this guy, and simultaneously still embarrassed, shocked, saddened that he and his family had to endure this trauma for the past three years inflicted upon them by the police and Crown attorney office

It's also sad that our happiness for this verdict overshadows the grief that the Northrup widow and family are going thru now... ironically now they are victims all over again having to re-live this. We know the chief of police wished for a guilty verdict (no matter how he tried to back-track in today's news conference), and if the widow also wished for guilty, she must be crushed to see the overwhelming support we've given to Zameer and his family

You sir are a fine, empathetic human being. Your presence here on TERB has refreshed my faith in TERB members. As has @mitchell76 's Likes of appropriate posts.

 

[Tiger]

You sir are a fine, empathetic human being. Your presence here on TERB has refreshed my faith in TERB members. As has @mitchell76 's Likes of appropriate posts.

Right back at ya bud!

Now, if only I could convince everyone else, that would be nice

What would really refresh my faith? To see everyone involved "accountable" - the mayor, Patrick Brown, Doug Ford for their comments, the three police officers who appeared to have lied and perjured, the TPS who supported the charges despite their own expert witness who testified against them, the old and new chief and TPS association who continue to be "disappointed" in the truth and would rather have an innocent man go to jail and ruin his life even more. And finally for the Crown since they decided to pursue these charges and waste everyones time and taxpayer's money because they wanted accountability

Oh and the Crown should offer to pay the defendant's lawyers fees, as an act of goodwill. And if they don't, I sure hope Zameer considers sueing them when the time is right

 

[SchlongConery]

Right back at ya bud!

Now, if only I could convince everyone else, that would be nice

What would really refresh my faith? To see everyone involved "accountable" - the mayor, Patrick Brown, Doug Ford for their comments, the three police officers who appeared to have lied and perjured, the TPS who supported the charges despite their own expert witness who testified against them, the old and new chief and TPS association who continue to be "disappointed" in the truth and would rather have an innocent man go to jail and ruin his life even more. And finally for the Crown since they decided to pursue these charges and waste everyones time and taxpayer's money because they wanted accountability

Oh and the Crown should offer to pay the defendant's lawyers fees, as an act of goodwill. And if they don't, I sure hope Zameer considers sueing them when the time is right

I've never participated in a public protest. I have participated in 5 MTP police funerals, 2 RCMP, 3 OPP and 2 YRP funerals. Only a few were job related. Suffice to say I have ties to and respect LE.

However, I'd almost want to organize a civil, quiet dignified protest at TPS HQ and wherever that Crown Attorney's office is located. Non of that hey hey- ho ho Chief has got to go... just quiet attendance.

 

[Kautilya]

Umar and his wife speak to CP24.

 

[jazzyman]

In a just society, you'd think that all police who lied could be fired and sued to redeem the financial costs to the defendant Umar. If proper police work had been done rather than the Blue Wall mentality applied, it would never have gone to trial. It's been an ignoble waste of taxpayers' money and an unnecessary tortuous experience for the defendant.

 

[chrispalen]

I heard constable Northrop's former partner, constable Forbes has been promoted to
sergeant. What a different in fate of these 2 plain clothes officers. One is in a coffin and one is making more $$ and higher up in rank.

CP

 

[JohnnyWishbone]

I heard constable Northrop's former partner, constable Forbes has been promoted to
sergeant. What a different in fate of these 2 plain clothes officers. One is in a coffin and one is making more $$ and higher up in rank.

CP

Isn't Forbes one of the cops who lied? If yes, she should be getting demoted or put on traffic duty (they'll never fire them)

TPS are strange - I remember the cop who didn't shoot the guy who ran over all those people in North York a few years ago and good sources tell me that behind the scenes he got badly reprimanded and got into shit for that.

 

[chrispalen]

Isn't Forbes one of the cops who lied? If yes, she should be getting demoted or put on traffic duty (they'll never fire them)

TPS are strange - I remember the cop who didn't shoot the guy who ran over all those people in North York a few years ago and good sources tell me that behind the scenes he got badly reprimanded and got into shit for that.

No, it wasn;t Forbes who lied. It was the other male cops who go together
to write their notes and are now under investigation by OPP.

CP

 

[JohnnyWishbone]

No, it wasn;t Forbes who lied. It was the other male cops who go together
to write their notes and are now under investigation by OPP.

CP

Forbes lied too. She also said the cop who was accidently killed had his arms up in the air and was flying backwards after getting hit by the car. She was then shown the video footage which suggested she was lying and then she requested a short break from being questioned.

+ edit: just found this - it matches my memory of the trial (my memory is obviously better than all 3 lying cops!):

Cop ’embellished’ account of events leading up to partner’s death: defence - Toronto | Globalnews.ca

Sgt. Lisa Forbes, whose partner was killed, is being cross-examined at the murder trial of Umar Zameer.

globalnews.ca

 

[smart_alek]

Isn't Forbes one of the cops who lied? If yes, she should be getting demoted or put on traffic duty (they'll never fire them)

TPS are strange - I remember the cop who didn't shoot the guy who ran over all those people in North York a few years ago and good sources tell me that behind the scenes he got badly reprimanded and got into shit for that.

Cops want every cop to be down on their level. They don't trust a cop that won't kill someone in that situation because they would have. They think he's too straight.

 

[SchlongConery]

No, it wasn;t Forbes who lied. It was the other male cops who go together
to write their notes and are now under investigation by OPP.

CP

She testi-lied first.

Then the other two liars testi-lied.

The Judge said that her story had been circulating since the beginning. Then, when the other two cops met up in the garage a month later to "refresh their memories" and sat in the same room for a "note MAKING party". (judge's words, not mine), it can be concluded from their similar testimony that they colluded to back up the female officer's story.

I wonder if these self-serving cop/Crown genius' have realized that if they hadn't embellished the narrative with the hands-up story, and told the truth ...that Zameer might have actually been convicted of manslaughter or something that would satisfy their visceral tribal need for revenge accountability. They might have had the credibility to make the jury believe Zameer did see the badges etc.

Which would have been an injustice... but at least these lying Keystone Kops and their Chief would have got their "hoped for outcome".

 

[james t kirk]

I really didn't follow this case in close detail. But I am aware (sort of) with what went down and I have 2 questions

1. The guy claimed that he didn't know that he was being confronted by police and thought he was being car jacked or was going to be harmed, so he hit the gas and killed a cop. Ok, whatever.

But he did kill a person by running him over. Why is he off the hook? He hasn't been charged with anything???

2. I'm driving down the Queensway and all of a sudden two thugs run up to my car with guns drawn and I hit the gas because I'm in fear for my life, and the lives of my family members and in the process of fleeing to safety I run the two thugs over killing one or both. And in my case, there is no argument that they have a long history of violent crime and they were armed. Do I, a white middle aged tax paying man, get the same consideration as the guy who ran over this cop and claimed he was just trying to get the hell out of there? Do I get off the hook too like he did?

Cause I will be honest, with the rising incidence of violent car jackings in Toronto, I have often thought that I would indeed floor my car and if the thugs got in the way, then too bad for them.

 

[Butler1000]

I really didn't follow this case in close detail. But I am aware (sort of) with what went down and I have 2 questions

1. The guy claimed that he didn't know that he was being confronted by police and thought he was being car jacked or was going to be harmed, so he hit the gas and killed a cop. Ok, whatever.

But he did kill a person by running him over. Why is he off the hook? He hasn't been charged with anything???

2. I'm driving down the Queensway and all of a sudden two thugs run up to my car with guns drawn and I hit the gas because I'm in fear for my life, and the lives of my family members and in the process of fleeing to safety I run the two thugs over killing one or both. And in my case, there is no argument that they have a long history of violent crime and they were armed. Do I, a white middle aged tax paying man, get the same consideration as the guy who ran over this cop and claimed he was just trying to get the hell out of there? Do I get off the hook too like he did?

Cause I will be honest, with the rising incidence of violent car jackings in Toronto, I have often thought that I would indeed floor my car and if the thugs got in the way, then too bad for them.

Considering this now as precedent I'd say you would have a very good chance at jury nullification.

And hopefully recovery of $200,000 in legal fees as well.

 

[unassuming]

I really didn't follow this case in close detail. But I am aware (sort of) with what went down and I have 2 questions

1. The guy claimed that he didn't know that he was being confronted by police and thought he was being car jacked or was going to be harmed, so he hit the gas and killed a cop. Ok, whatever.

But he did kill a person by running him over. Why is he off the hook? He hasn't been charged with anything???

2. I'm driving down the Queensway and all of a sudden two thugs run up to my car with guns drawn and I hit the gas because I'm in fear for my life, and the lives of my family members and in the process of fleeing to safety I run the two thugs over killing one or both. And in my case, there is no argument that they have a long history of violent crime and they were armed. Do I, a white middle aged tax paying man, get the same consideration as the guy who ran over this cop and claimed he was just trying to get the hell out of there? Do I get off the hook too like he did?

The difference between Zameer and your scenario is that , to get away from the apparent danger is that you knowingly ran the the two thugs over.

Zameer did not know that Northrup was lying in front of his car when he ran over him, the crime scene forensics/accident re-creation people on both sides , Prosecution and defense both agreed that Zameer did not knowingly ran the officer over, the forensics support it.

That's why he was acquitted of all charges by the jury.

 

[onomatopoeia]

...But he did kill a person by running him over. Why is he off the hook? He hasn't been charged with anything???...

An accused is charged with a specific offense or offenses. The Judge or jury decides if they are guilty or not guilty of that/ those offense/offenses.

Usually the police will lay charges for the most serious offense(s) that they believe can result in conviction, and the Crown will plea-bargain down to a lesser offense if They're not confident that They would win.

If Zameer had been charged with 'Negligence causing death', there might have been a guilty plea or verdict, but the penalty would have been relatively minor - perhaps a suspended driver's license, and probation. The Crown rarely pleads down if They are confident of victory. In this case, the Police were unwilling to offer a lesser charge.

Someone charged with first degree murder can only be convicted of murder, whether it be first or second degree, and someone charged with manslaughter cannot be convicted of murder. The criminal court proceedings are always based on the actual charges filed.

 

[unassuming]

Zameer's GoFundMe is nearing $300K

 

[james t kirk]

The difference between Zameer and your scenario is that , to get away from the apparent danger is that you knowingly ran the the two thugs over.

Zameer did not know that Northrup was lying in front of his car when he ran over him, the crime scene forensics/accident re-creation people on both sides , Prosecution and defense both agreed that Zameer did not knowingly ran the officer over, the forensics support it.

That's why he was acquitted of all charges by the jury.

Why was Northrup lying on the the floor in front of his car?

 

[JohnnyWishbone]

Why was Northrup lying on the the floor in front of his car?

Side swiped by Zameer's car when he was reversing..or tripped over himself since he was obese/clumsy