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K Douglas

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Anbarandy

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Property tax increases under John Tory
2015 2.75%
2016 1.30%
2017 2.50%
2018 2.10%
2019 3.58%
2020 4.24%
2021 0.70%
2022 4.40%
2023 7.00%
AVG 3.17%

You can't argue that Tory's increases were too low and that's why we have underfunded city services. There are underfunded city services because left wing kooky policies have driven businesses out of the city.
I'm sorry, but the actual annual property tax plus the Building Fund Levy increased by an average of 2.23%/year over the total of Tory's 9 budgets.

Now, when removing the Building Fund Levy of 1.5%, because it is not a property tax supported levy that is directed to the city's operational budget for city services, but directed solely to it's capital budget, then the actual average property tax increases to support operational city services drops to 1.5%.

So yes, hell yes Tory certainly did underfund the City of Toronto's operational budget which is directed towards city services over his miserly 2 and 1/8th terms.

Especially appalling as the city's population grew substantially over that time and Tory's operational budgets did not meet the needs of an ever-expanding city, did not account for inflationary growth and did not meet the basics for the quality of life of it's citizens, all of which continued the decay and decomposition of the city started by Mel Lastman, hyper-driven by Rob Ford, for nine effin years and driven to the fiscal and financial abyss by Tory.
 
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fearoffomo

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Maybe from your perspective since you are extreme left. But in reality his policies have been centre to centre left. Largely because he has to placate the lefties on council. Here's the council makeup of Tory's first term in office
It must be hard going through life being this stupid.

Tory didn't placate to the left leaning councillors on council. He basically stacked all the important positions on council, like committees, with right leaning ass kissers so that left leaning councillors barely had a voice at all.

There's nothing "left" about cutting services year over year by under funding them through keeping property taxes at or below inflation.

The only centrist thing about Tory is that he would try and come across as being socially progressive. Talk is cheap however. You can talk about how great equity and inclusion is but if you go on to starve the programs that help marginalized communities live better lives, all that talk means nothing.
 
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Anbarandy

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It must be hard going through life being this stupid.

Tory didn't placate to the left leaning councillors on council. He basically stacked all the important positions on council, like committees, with right leaning ass kissers so that left leaning councillors barely had a voice at all.

There's nothing "left" about cutting services year over year by under funding them through keeping property taxes at or below inflation.

The only centrist thing about Tory is that he would try and come across as being socially progressive. Talk is cheap however. You can talk about how great equity and inclusion is but if you go on to starve the programs that help marginalized communities live a better lives, all that talk means nothing.
Out of the 44 councilors and 1 mayor on Kirk's Wiki link list, I count:

1) 20 hardcore right-wing councilors, all from the inner suburbs and 1 right-wing mayor all of whom always voted as a block except on Tory's stupid "jets at Toronto Island airport" and his right-wing "privatizing all of Toronto's solid waste services". And the only reason why these right-wing assholes lost those 2 votes was because their constituents rose up, gave them a mass earful of shit and promised it would be their last terms as councilors.
2) 10 left leaning councilors.
3) 14 centrist councilors whose votes swung depending on the issues and council vote

I remember the council votes. All the right-wing needed was 2 centrists to join them, while the left needed to convince 13 centrists.

That's how we got these repeated and continuous below inflation property tax increases; a $3billion dollar Scarborugh white elephant subway; a going on to $2billion eastern end of the Gardiner move a few meters north; a scrapping of a fully provincially funded Toronto wide mass transit plan; a decaying a decomposing city ........
 
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Darts

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Get ready for a lefty mayor and much higher taxes and endless debates on street signs.
 

Anbarandy

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Nothing wrong with keeping taxes low. People are already paying through the roof for houses and mortgages what with all the interest rate hikes and you want to jack up property taxes too? In the wake of a possible (some would argue ongoing) recession when jobs are tenuous? What you want people to end up on the streets? This is why left wing nonsense never makes anyone's life better. It is all about "feel good" initiatives and the only people paying for it are the citizens in the form of increased taxation.
So, just who is going to pay for:

a) the $223million budget shortfall for the fiscal year 2022?
b) the $1.2billion budget shortfall in this fiscal year of 2023?
c) for the $46.5billion budgetary shortfall over the next 10 years?

Still believing in the fallacy and failure of right-wing city council and mayoralty rule that we have had for the last consecutive 13 years that caused this mess?

Gotta love these alternate-universe, willfully misinformed, fallacy and ideologically based voters.
 
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Darts

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A major problem is that the City is cursed with closed shop bidding. This means the labour buddies of our lefty friends make off like bandits with no competition for contracts.
 
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Frankfooter

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The 1st two were funded by the federal government, were they not?

So cut spending and non essential feel good initiatives out of the budget. Everytime you need money you will just take money off of the people who are already facing financial pressures, which leads to more spending?

What you are proposing does not make financial sense. It is just a slippery slope.
That's what's given us homeless living in parks, TTC falling apart, roads in poor repair and services declining.
Everything right wingers complain about.
 

fearoffomo

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What you are proposing is: Increased spending, therefore increased taxation, which results in less money to go around, which results in inflation...
JFC, tell me you failed Econ 101 without telling me you failed Econ 101...

If there's less money in the money supply, inflation goes down. Taxes are actually an effective, albeit blunt, way to temper inflation. There's an argument to be made that in our high inflationary environment, we should be using tax increases, rather than interest rates to bring it down.

We need to cut spending on things we don't need to be spending, reduce taxes, put more in the hands of the people, which will reduce inflation and interest rates, and therefore defaults and therefore homelessness.

It is no different than how you would cut out expenses if you needed to save more.
This is the exact definition of penny wise and pound foolish. We either spend now or kick the can down the road and spend more later, which is exactly what has been going on for the last 12+ years of Conservative rule in Toronto.
 
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Frankfooter

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What you are proposing is: Increased spending, therefore increased taxation, which results in less money to go around, which results in inflation and interest rates hikes, which puts more pressure on people with increased mortgages and other expenses, which results in defaults, which results in more homelessness, which results in more spending, which results in more taxation.....and round and round we go.

We need to cut spending on things we don't need to be spending, reduce taxes, put more in the hands of the people, which will reduce inflation and interest rates, and therefore defaults and therefore homelessness.

It is no different than how you would cut out expenses if you needed to save more.
What we need to do is stand up to the thug and make the province pay for all Metrolinx adventures, their fair share of transit and health care.
 

Anbarandy

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The 1st two were funded by the federal government, were they not?

So cut spending and non essential feel good initiatives out of the budget. Everytime you need money you will just take money off of the people who are already facing financial pressures, which leads to more spending?

What you are proposing does not make financial sense. It is just a slippery slope.
"The 1st two were funded by the federal government were they not?"

What in God's name are you talking about? What did they fund, gaping holes in the 2022 and 2023 operating budgets totaling almost $1.5billion? You are lost and clueless and have no idea what you are even talking about.

Over 13 consecutive budgets, Rob Ford and John Tory did their right-wing best to do exactly what you are proposing in your above quoted sentences, 2 and 3, and guess what happened? They have left the city of Toronto with a massive $46.5billion budgetary gap over the next 10 years.

There is a massive amount of wealth held by the residents, corporations and businesses of Toronto. Wealth, I might add that was accrued by them because they were the beneficiaries of the wealth created by being based in Toronto.
 

Darts

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Wealth, I might add that was accrued by them because they were the beneficiaries of the wealth created by being based in Toronto.
Surely, there must have been benefits that also accrued to the good citizens of Toronto (e.g. jobs, sale of goods and services, etc.)
 

Anbarandy

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1a) Doug Ford then: "I will not be endorsing any candidate!"
1b) Doug Ford now: "I am endorsing Mark Saunders. Vote Saunders! Heed my words, or else, I will smite Toronto like a biblical plague!"

2a) John Tory then: "I am focusing on heeling my relationships with my family. I will not be endorsing any candidates for mayor."
2b) John Tory now: "i am endorsing Ann Bailao for mayor. She is me in a pantsuit, a transgendered me. She will continue my policies that have brought the city to edge of the abyss."

These two, along with the Thug's bro are the ones who are most responsible for calamity that is now Toronto. And they are telling you to "bend over and take it up the ass for another 4 years."

The lack of character these two display is astounding.
 

Anbarandy

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Toronto did receive some funding from the province etc, But regardless of that with what you are proposing there will always be shortfalls as no amount of taxes will help bridge the gap with increasing spending. It's like trying to lose weight while eating cheeseburgers every day. Toronto has a spending problem. The only way is to cut spending. If not, Toronto will be unaffordable for a majority of its residents and the situation will get worse in the coming years.
There.

You finally make some sense now.
 

glamphotographer

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Canada
They will ALL raise taxes if they win. It's only a couple that are honest about it and admit they will.
Canadians can talk until they are blue in the face about budget cuts and balanced budgets, but when it comes time to cut programs they raise a fuss. Canadians like their social programs.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

Ford types like highways = raise taxes to pay for them.

Sanders likes law and order = raise taxes to pay for more cops.

Chow likes social programs = raise taxes to pay for it.
 

K Douglas

Half Man Half Amazing
Jan 5, 2005
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I'm sorry, but the actual annual property tax plus the Building Fund Levy increased by an average of 2.23%/year over the total of Tory's 9 budgets.

Now, when removing the Building Fund Levy of 1.5%, because it is not a property tax supported levy that is directed to the city's operational budget for city services, but directed solely to it's capital budget, then the actual average property tax increases to support operational city services drops to 1.5%.

So yes, hell yes Tory certainly did underfund the City of Toronto's operational budget which is directed towards city services over his miserly 2 and 1/8th terms.

Especially appalling as the city's population grew substantially over that time and Tory's operational budgets did not meet the needs of an ever-expanding city, did not account for inflationary growth and did not meet the basics for the quality of life of it's citizens, all of which continued the decay and decomposition of the city started by Mel Lastman, hyper-driven by Rob Ford, for nine effin years and driven to the fiscal and financial abyss by Tory.
In some of my numbers I did include the building fund levy so I have revised
2015 - 2.25%
2016 - 1.30%
2017- 2.00%
2018- 2.10%
2019 - 2.55%
2020 - 2.74%
2021 - 0.70%
2022 - 2.90%
2023 - 5.50%
AVG - 2.45%
On top of these numbers were the building fund levy that ranged between 0.5% to 1.5%. If you add the increases up for most years that exceeded the rate of inflation.
 
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