And very publicly rejected by the only Green party member ever to be elected.
(not to mention hated by the Palestinian people - buy why would you care about them?)
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The One State Solution Resource
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And very publicly rejected by the only Green party member ever to be elected.
(not to mention hated by the Palestinian people - buy why would you care about them?)
And very publicly rejected by the only Green party member ever to be elected.
(not to mention hated by the Palestinian people - buy why would you care about them?)
No, they have been publicly endorsed by 84% of the Green Party and May now brings those policies as official Green Party policies.
When they are in militias they aren't civilians any more, are they?You've said settlers are valid targets because some of them may be in militias.
That's the definition of civilian vs militants.
Its not justifying war crimes, its noting that you add an impossible condition to their self defence.And there you are again justifying war crimes and crimes against their own people. Most people would say the best solution is not to launch terror attacks but instead you make excuses for them.
The war crime they are accused of is using indiscriminate weapons, not using human shields.
The only side accused of using human shields has been Israel, yet you defend their use of human shields.
The use of the term 'cockroach' has racist connotations linked to the genocide of Rwanda.And another case of your admitting my point. Terrorist groups are cockroaches but you consider it racist to say so.
Your continued use of the term despite the knowledge shows you continue to claim that Palestinians are subhuman.
Wait a second, why do you so quickly skip over holding Hamas accountable for the many crimes against humanity they have admitted to? Oh that's right, it would be 'subjugation' to disarm terrorists.
Just checking to see if you still think only Palestinians should be disarmed because of your racist bias indicated by your continual use of the term 'cockroach' to describe them.
If you weren't such an obvious racist you would argue that both sides should be held to the same penalties for the same crimes.
But you only want Palestinians disarmed, not the aggressors, Israel.
It's important to stare envisioning the Single State Solution - this will help expedite its implementation
It is time to imagine how one state– one person, one vote– will work
Essential Elements of the New Order:
1. Equality and Non-discrimination: The State of Israel has failed in law and in practice to provide full equality even to its own Arab citizens. While Palestinians recognize that the new state will likely continue in the foreseeable future to be dominated by Jews for a number of reasons, Palestinians will require that equality be strictly applied, particularly in the public sphere. Public institutions, lands, funds, and resources, including water and public education, must be utilized equally in the interest of all citizens. Discrimination must not be tolerated. Arabic, which is currently formally recognized as an official language in Israel, will need to be deliberately incorporated into public life, on a par with Hebrew. While it was important for Jews to revive and promote Hebrew in Israel after centuries of non-use, there can be no excuse for the deliberate downgrading of Arabic (Arabic signs, where they exist even in the West Bank appear to be deliberately misspelled, and it is easier to find government documents in Amharic (the language of the recent Ethiopian immigrants) than in Arabic.
2. Freedom of Movement: Freedom of movement within the new state must be guaranteed. Restrictions of travel between the West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem, the settlements and pre-1967 Israel must be removed, as well as the Wall and the checkpoints. Discretionary (administrative) restrictions on travel within as well as to and from the new state must be removed. Security forces claiming the need for the restriction of the movement of any person must be required to obtain judicial orders, subject to the legal presumption in favor of freedom of movement that needs to be overcome when incarcerating a person.
3. Right of Return: Jews have insisted on a Right of Return to Israel as a fundamental right for any Jew throughout the world, particularly if he or she feels persecuted or endangered as a Jew. As it stands now, this right is not qualified by the need to show persecution or fear of a tangible threat, and the institutions of the State actively promote aliyah and incentivizes Jews to come to Israel. The availability of this right seems to be a serious requirement for Jewish Israelis which Palestinians must accept. However, Palestinians, who have been forcibly denied access to their homeland, must also have a right of return (Awdah). Had there been a 2SS, this right of return could have been limited to a new Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza. But it is a right which can and must be accommodated in a new governing structure in Israel/Palestine.
4. Relations with the Arab world. Israeli Jews feel a great connection to diaspora Jews, obtain much support from them, and advocate that they have a legitimate stake in, and responsibility for, Israel. Palestinian Arabs also feel they are an integral part of the Arab world and get, or at least expect, support from them. The new state will have to deal with both these inclinations. Palestinians will need to re-evaluate their pan-Arab identity, and adjust it to reflect that their state now is both Jewish and Arab to its very core.
5. Defense: For a number of reasons, primarily the trauma of the Holocaust, and the bitter experience of anti-Jewish anti-Semitism in the West (Palestinians are Semites, too), Israelis have a heightened sensitivity to control of the army and the defense establishment. The new State may require that the Minister of Defense as well as a majority of the top brass in the army be Jewish as a matter of permanent constitutional law. Palestinians, however, must be free to join the army on an equal basis, while all citizens must be able to demand exemption from military service for reasons of conscience.
6. Legal Protections: In addition to a constitution that embodies strict guarantees that safeguard the fundamental political interests of both groups, these “Protection Clauses” must be safeguarded from alteration except by large majorities (e.g., 80% of the Parliament) and approval by a super majority of a special constitutional court (e.g., 4 out of 5 judges where each group has at least 2). In other significant ministries and public bodies, quotas must dictate the minimum number of representatives at the highest level, while all other positions are filled on a merit, non-discriminatory basis. In government ministries, the deputy for each Ministry must belong to the other major group. (If the Minister is Jewish, then the deputy must be Arab). In this manner the fear that a high level public servant who belongs to one group will be oppressive to those in the minority group will be eliminated. In addition, this and other similar “Protection Clauses” will remove the ‘demographic threat’ and ensure that a group which has a numerical majority will not be able to oppress the minority, and that a future change in the numerical balance between the two communities will not render the new minority vulnerable to oppression by the majority.
7. Ministry of Tolerance: Out of a recognition that the security of citizens is a vital interest of the country, and in appreciation of the past experience of both peoples, the country should invest at least 10% of its defense budget in programs to promote tolerance and understanding of the history, culture and language of each community by the other, supervised by a government ministry conducting joint activities and programs intended to heal the hurts of the past.
http://mondoweiss.net/2016/11/imagine-state-person/
Bullshit. A one state solution will result in a civil war. Hamas doesn't want equality or tolerance, Hamas and Islamic Jihad want an Islamic state. Even secular Fatah says things like all Jews who migrated since 1917 should ethnically cleansed.
When they are in militias they aren't civilians any more, are they?...l.
It is disgusting that you think all settlers are targets because some few might be in militias. Meanwhile you have repeatedly gotten upset when various Palestinian militants were killed in the act of their crimes. Strange that you object to militants being killed but you consider settlers to be valid targets.
And once again you support terrorism. Only a hate filled immoral fool would consider launching rockets at civilian targets to be self defense. if you had any interest in the welfare of Palestinians or Israelis you would call out Hamas for launching the rockets but instead you make immoral excuses.Its not justifying war crimes, its noting that you add an impossible condition to their self defence.
The use of the term 'cockroach' has racist connotations linked to the genocide of Rwanda
You really are a joke in your desperate attempts to avoid criticizing Hamas terror. All you do is defend them.
Just checking to see if you still think only Palestinians should be disarmed because of your racist bias indicated by your continual use of the term 'cockroach' to describe them.
And the lying piece of shit realizes he can't justify his defense of Hamas so has to lie about what I said. You quite simply are a dishonest fuck. You flat out lie about my statements and every time I call you out on it you prove your lies by posting the actual quote. I have openly referred Hamas terrorists as cockroaches but in your pathetic hate filled campaign you continually try to convince yourself that criticism of terrorism is 'racist'.
And I applaud Israel for disarming and banning several militant Jewish groups. Sadly you think Hamas terrorists should stay armed. At least Fatah no longer openly supports their terrorist group (beyond paying hefty salaries to them and their families).
And I'm sure you are too busy justifying Hamas terrorism to realize you have proven exactly what I was saying. You continually defend and justify Hamas crimes against humanity.
It is disgusting that you think all settlers are targets because some few might be in militias. Meanwhile you have repeatedly gotten upset when various Palestinian militants were killed in the act of their crimes. Strange that you object to militants being killed but you consider settlers to be valid targets.
There you go lying again.
Nowhere did I use the word 'all', I said when settlers are armed by the IDF they cease to be civilians, they then become militia.
Or are you claiming that all settlers are armed and trained by the IDF?
And once again you support terrorism. Only a hate filled immoral fool would consider launching rockets at civilian targets to be self defense. if you had any interest in the welfare of Palestinians or Israelis you would call out Hamas for launching the rockets but instead you make immoral excuses.
Using rockets against military targets is self defence, using missiles aimed at civilians, like Israel targeting schools and hospitals, is terrorism.
Do you agree?
Even Likud members support a One State Solution however you know it's not one with equality for all.
"A parliamentarian in Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing Likud party has said that Likud shares a one-state vision where Palestinians live under a Jewish state, and that Netanyahu only talks about two states because he feels obliged to.
Miki Zohar was speaking by video to J-TV alongside the Zionist Union’s Yossi Yona, a fellow Member of the Knesset (the Israeli parliament) in a debate about the continued viability – and desirability – of a two-state solution. Zohar disagreed with Yona, saying a Palestinian state was “very bad, very dangerous”.
Challenging Zohar’s idea that Palestinians should live in a Greater Israel, provided they recognise it as Jewish, host Alan Mendoza asked: “How can you have a state that is one thing and not the other, when almost half the population is ‘the other’?”
Zohar suggested that the answer lay in city-based municipalities, each with a degree of autonomy, but said those living in Palestinian municipalities would not be allowed to vote in Israeli elections.
“Most of the members of Likud don’t believe in a two-state solution,” said Zohar, arguing that Netanyahu himself felt obligated to pay lip-service to it because of the commitments made by past Israeli governments.
“The prime minister can convince us different sometimes… the prime minister said he is obligated to the idea, he never said he believes in it, and I think this is a big difference.”
http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/one-state-bibi/
"A parliamentarian in Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing Likud party has said that Likud shares a one-state vision where Palestinians live under a Jewish state, and that Netanyahu only talks about two states because he feels obliged to.
Miki Zohar was speaking by video to J-TV alongside the Zionist Union’s Yossi Yona, a fellow Member of the Knesset (the Israeli parliament) in a debate about the continued viability – and desirability – of a two-state solution. Zohar disagreed with Yona, saying a Palestinian state was “very bad, very dangerous”.
Challenging Zohar’s idea that Palestinians should live in a Greater Israel, provided they recognise it as Jewish, host Alan Mendoza asked: “How can you have a state that is one thing and not the other, when almost half the population is ‘the other’?”
Zohar suggested that the answer lay in city-based municipalities, each with a degree of autonomy, but said those living in Palestinian municipalities would not be allowed to vote in Israeli elections.
“Most of the members of Likud don’t believe in a two-state solution,” said Zohar, arguing that Netanyahu himself felt obligated to pay lip-service to it because of the commitments made by past Israeli governments.
“The prime minister can convince us different sometimes… the prime minister said he is obligated to the idea, he never said he believes in it, and I think this is a big difference.”
http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/one-state-bibi/
And more justifications of Hamas terror and attacks on civilians (so long as they are Jews in Israel).There you go lying again.
Nowhere did I use the word 'all', I said when settlers are armed by the IDF they cease to be civilians, they then become militia.
Or are you claiming that all settlers are armed and trained by the IDF?
Using rockets against military targets is self defence, using missiles aimed at civilians, like Israel targeting schools and hospitals, is terrorism.
Do you agree?
And more justifications of Hamas terror and attacks on civilians (so long as they are Jews in Israel).
So you do think that all settlers are militants, being armed and/or trained and/or backed by the IDF?
That's what it appears you are saying.
By the way, the two state is really dead.
66% of Palestinians no longer believe in the two state solution.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4892571,00.htmlTwo thirds of Palestinians no longer believe in two-state deal
A recent survey shows that 65 percent of Palestinians no longer believe that a two-state solution is possible; this is an increase of 9 percentage points since September;
Its time for you to stop flogging the dead solution that Palestinians don't want.
As has been mentioned before, the self destructive greed and avarice of the occupier continues to solidify the one state solution:
"Similar to last month, this time as well we found for the Jewish public that the rate of supporters of annexing all of Judea and Samaria/the West Bank to the state of Israel (44%) is significantly higher than the rate of opponents (38%). As for the assertion that “If the territories are annexed and one state is established under Israeli rule, there will be no choice but to give the Palestinians full and equal civil rights,” 48% disagree while 42% agree. That is, a small but significant minority of the Jewish public supports a situation that the international community regards as apartheid."
http://www.peaceindex.org/indexMonthEng.aspx?num=312&monthname=November
"Similar to last month, this time as well we found for the Jewish public that the rate of supporters of annexing all of Judea and Samaria/the West Bank to the state of Israel (44%) is significantly higher than the rate of opponents (38%). As for the assertion that “If the territories are annexed and one state is established under Israeli rule, there will be no choice but to give the Palestinians full and equal civil rights,” 48% disagree while 42% agree. That is, a small but significant minority of the Jewish public supports a situation that the international community regards as apartheid."
http://www.peaceindex.org/indexMonthEng.aspx?num=312&monthname=November
Not to mention this older poll that found that Israeli Jews supported apartheid policies.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/23/israeli-poll-majority-apartheid-policies
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/23/israeli-poll-majority-apartheid-policies
Not to mention this older poll that found that Israeli Jews supported apartheid policies.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/23/israeli-poll-majority-apartheid-policies
No it didn't. And you know it didn't, because you got your ass kicked for this misrepresentation when you tried posting it before.
So you do think that all settlers are militants, being armed and/or trained and/or backed by the IDF?...
Sorry pal but your justifications of terrorism against settlers and Israelis traveling in the West Bank runs counter to international law. Soldiers or militants on duty are military targets. A mother driving her children home is not.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-car-hit-by-gunfire-outside-ramallah-no-injuries/
...
Its time for you to stop flogging the dead solution that Palestinians don't want.
This has to be the most asinine statement you've made in a while (and that is saying a lot).
You keep pushing a plan that Palestinians and Israelis overwhelmingly hate but you claim that the two state peace is opposed by Palestinians based on one question that is not even asking that question. 66% say they don't think a deal will happen, not that they oppose a Two State Peace.
In direct contrast to your claims, th esame poll asked specifically about support for a Two State Peace:
We asked the public about its support for the French Initiative. The initiative we presented to
respondents as one that “calls for the formation of an international support group for Palestinian Israeli
negotiations, the holding of an international peace conference that would seek a settlement
based on the two-state solution and the Arab Peace Initiative in accordance with a specific time
frame.” 46% of the respondents supported and 44% opposed the initiative.
http://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/poll 62 press release December 2016 English.pdf
2/3 of Palestinians hate your one state peace, less than half oppose a two state peace but sure, keep claiming that Palestinians hate the accepted solution of the UN, the Arab League, the EU, the US, Russia...
Also from the survey's summary worth commenting on:
37% support armed action against Israelis
53% support a return to an armed intifada
Sorry pal but your justifications of terrorism against settlers and Israelis traveling in the West Bank runs counter to international law. Soldiers or militants on duty are military targets. A mother driving her children home is not.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-car-hit-by-gunfire-outside-ramallah-no-injuries/
I agree, a mother driving her child is not a military target.
Whoever shot at her should be charged in court.
Neither are photographers, correct?
http://maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=774398
Shouldn't those shooters also be charged in court?
This has to be the most asinine statement you've made in a while (and that is saying a lot).
You keep pushing a plan that Palestinians and Israelis overwhelmingly hate but you claim that the two state peace is opposed by Palestinians based on one question that is not even asking that question. 66% say they don't think a deal will happen, not that they oppose a Two State Peace.
Right, 2/3's say the two state won't ever happen.
You are flogging a dead horse.
62% also support abandoning the Oslo Accords. 20 years of more settlements and worse peace options killed both the two state solution and trust with Israel.
And what should be heartening, despite your claims otherwise is this:
74% support joining more international organizations,
62% support non-violent popular resistance,
53% support a return to an armed intifada, and 48% support
the dissolution of the Palestinian Authority.
In other words, Oslo is dead, the two state solution is dead yet Palestinians prefer to support peaceful means like ICC jurisdiction and BDS over violent response to apartheid rule.
Despite the incredibly violent Israeli occupation, Palestinians still support peaceful resistance first.
The two state solution is dead.
Now Palestinians are overwhelmingly supporting calls for BDS and ICC jurisdiction.
Give them equal rights.
Right, 2/3's say the two state won't ever happen.....
As long as groups like Hamas hold sway over Palestinian politics they are right. That doesn't change that more Palestinians support a Two State peace than oppose it and doesn't change the fact that 2/3 oppose your One State tyranny.
It is also amazing that you say:
despite mentioning that:Palestinians prefer to support peaceful means
53% support a return to an armed intifada
Your hateful world view gets more warped every day, especially when you refer to armed intifada, periods that were rife with terrorism, as "peaceful means".
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