The One State Solution Resource

[Frankfooter]

As long as groups like Hamas hold sway over Palestinian politics they are right. That doesn't change that more Palestinians support a Two State peace than oppose it and doesn't change the fact that 2/3 oppose your One State tyranny.

Equal rights is the opposite of the apartheid tyranny they are presently experiencing.

It is also amazing that you say:

despite mentioning that:

Its amazing that you ignore that the most popular two actions are non-violent in the poll.
74% support joining more international organizations,
62% support non-violent popular resistance,
53% support a return to an armed intifada,

You should be thankful that after 20 years of colonization through settlements and stalling fake peace talks Palestinians still support non-violent protests first.
Your hateful world gets smaller and smaller that you need to accuse joining the ICC and supporting BDS as 'terrorism'.

 

[fuji]

Equal rights is the opposite of the apartheid tyranny they are presently experiencing.




Its amazing that you ignore that the most popular two actions are non-violent in the poll.
74% support joining more international organizations,
62% support non-violent popular resistance,
53% support a return to an armed intifada,

You should be thankful that after 20 years of colonization through settlements and stalling fake peace talks Palestinians still support non-violent protests first.
Your hateful world gets smaller and smaller that you need to accuse joining the ICC and supporting BDS as 'terrorism'.

The Palestinians don't want equality. They want to kill Jews. If they wanted equality they would have said yes to the partition plan.

 

[gryfin]

The Palestinians don't want equality. They want to kill Jews. If they wanted equality they would have said yes to the partition plan.

You've already addressed this point and contradicted yourself.

That's what dictators always say. They justify their brutal totalitarian regimes with scary stories about how awful life will be without their iron fist.

 

[gryfin]

The self destructive behaviour of the occupier and their fervent ideological supporters is becoming more and more apparent. Further evidence is the extremist views of the new US Ambassador to Israel, David Friedman. It seems he doesn't support the Two State solution, he thinks it is legal to annex the West Bank, and wants Jerusalem to be undivided. He's also a financial supporter of illegal West Bank settlements. All of this pushes the One State Solution closer.

"Donald Trump has named as his ambassador to Israel a pro-settler lawyer who has described some US Jews as worse than concentration camp prisoner-guards.

David Friedman, a bankruptcy lawyer who represented the president-elect over his failing hotels in Atlantic City, served Trump’s advisory team on the Middle East. He has set out a number of hardline positions on Israeli-Palestinian relations, including fervent opposition to the two-state solution and strong support for an undivided Jerusalem as Israel’s capital."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/15/trump-israel-ambassador-david-friedman

 

[Frankfooter]

He clearly wants the West Bank to be annexed by Israel ( actually it's already the case), does he support the right of West Bank Palestinians to vote in Knesset elections ?

Wonder if Obama will now support a UN SC resolution before he leaves office.

 

[basketcase]

Equal rights ....

(I'll delete your lies about Israel)

If you support equal rights than you support the vast majority of Palestinians and the vast majority of Israelis refusal of your tyrannical 'peace' plan.


Please continue claiming the 53% who support armed intifada are supporting peaceful protest.

You should be thankful that after 20 years of colonization through settlements and stalling fake peace talks Palestinians still support non-violent protests first.

Oh look, once again trying to justify terrorism.

 

[Frankfooter]

(I'll delete your lies about Israel)

You are getting incredibly pathetic.
The 'lies' you complain about are from the same poll that you posted and quoted from here.

As noted, more Palestinians still support peaceful means then violence, this despite 20 years of Israeli colonization under the pretence of peace talks.
Its amazing that you ignore that the most popular two actions are non-violent in the poll.

74% support joining more international organizations,
62% support non-violent popular resistance,
53% support a return to an armed intifada,

If you support equal rights than you support the vast majority of Palestinians and the vast majority of Israelis refusal of your tyrannical 'peace' plan.

Poll 61 from PSR also notes this:
49% support and 50% oppose the two-state solution.
34% believe that negotiation is the most effective means of establishing a Palestinian state and 34% think armed action is the most effective means.
31% support a one-state solution.

Support for the one state solution is now only 18% behind the two state solution.
And since 66% think that the two state solution won't happen, the one state solution is what's left, regardless of preferences.
Why don't you poll Palestinians and see if they prefer equal rights or apartheid?

Oh look, once again trying to justify terrorism.

Physical resistance to an illegal occupation is not terrorism, that only happens when civilians are targeted, like when Israel bombs hospitals and schools.

 

[basketcase]

You are getting incredibly pathetic.....

Why? Because I continue to point out your bullshit about Israel, because I call you out on your continual defense of hamas, because I call you out for your endorsements of terrorism, because I call you out when you claim the 53% of Palestinians supporting armed intifada are really supporting peaceful protest, and because I point out that Palestinians detest your tyrannical One State plan?

 

[Frankfooter]

Why? Because I continue to point out ...

Because you accused me of lying when I quoted a poll you brought to the debate.
That's pathetic, you really should apologize for accusing me of lying.

 

[fuji]

"53% support a return to an armed intifada"

^^^^ that's all you need to know

 

[MattRoxx]

There's no point in talking about ANY solution until the terrorists have been neutralized.

Even if terrorists are being neutralized one at a time
But there's no evidence Israel was involved in this incident.

Hamas lashes out at Israel over killing of militant group's drone experthttp://www.ibtimes.co.uk/hamas-lashes-out-israel-over-killing-militant-groups-drone-expert-1597049
Hamas' armed wing Qassam Brigades says Mohammed Zawari had been with the group for 10 over years.[/b]

The Gaza-based Palestinian militant group Hamas has lashed out at Israel over the killing of a Tunisian named Mohammed Zawari, who the group said was one of its drone experts.

According to reports, the 49-year-old Zawari was shot dead outside his home at the wheel of his car in the Tunisian city of Sfax on Thursday (15 December). The armed wing of Hamas, Qassam Brigades, said he had been part of the group for over 10 years and had been overseeing its drone programme.The group posted a statement on its website that read: "Qassam Brigades mourns the martyr of Palestine, martyr of the Arab and Muslim nation, the Qassam leader, engineer and pilot Mohammad Zawari, who was assassinated by Zionist treacherous hands on Thursday in Sfax."

It further said: "The enemy must know the blood of the leader Zawari will not go in vain." The interior ministry of Tunisia said four rental cars were used to kill Zawari. Two handguns and silencers were also seized in the incident.

Mourad Turki, deputy prosecutor general, told a private radio station in an interview that eight Tunisian suspects had been detained while two others were still at large. One of the suspects is reportedly a Tunisian journalist based in Hungary; he was arrested along with a cameraman.

Israeli minister Tzachi Hanegbi, a confidante of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, told an Israeli news channel on Friday: "I hope this issue will not be ascribed to us, that it is not connected to us and that none of those people arrested are our allies."

Israel's spy agency Mossad is believed to be behind the assassination of a Hamas operative Mahmoud al-Mabhuh, who died in Dubai in 2010. Israel neither confirmed nor denied involvement in his killing.

Hamas has provided no evidence for its claims that Israel was behind the latest killing. The group which governs the Gaza strip is viewed as a terrorist organisation by the EU and the US.

 

[Frankfooter]

Even if terrorists are being neutralized one at a time
But there's no evidence Israel was involved in this incident.

Locking them up in Gaza, with snipers on the wall, drones in the air and spies on their phones isn't enough?
Now you and fuji appear to be supporting killing all of Gaza?
If your goal is to turn Gaza into a more massive Warsaw Ghetto, congrats, as the UN says with only 10% there with clean water that goal is only about 3 years away.

Gaza Water Crisis Has Caused Irreversible Damage, World Bank Warns
In interview with Haaretz, bank's local specialist warns that without more water from Israel, Gaza will continue to move toward being uninhabitable by 2020.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-1.759600

 

[basketcase]

Locking them up in Gaza,....

No one is 'locked' in Gaza. Thousands of Gazans cross the border into Israel every week.

Of course you don't want to discuss the reason the border restrictions were implemented in the first place - Hamas terrorism.

Israel is fully entitled to defend their borders from a government/terrorist group that targets civilians in an attempt to destroy Israel and remove the Jewish presence. At least you are consistent in your belief that Hamas terrorists have a right to import weapons and cross the border into Israel at will.

 

[gryfin]

Sorry pal but your justifications of terrorism against settlers and Israelis traveling in the West Bank runs counter to international law. Soldiers or militants on duty are military targets. A mother driving her children home is not.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-car-hit-by-gunfire-outside-ramallah-no-injuries/

Which international law are you respecting this time? Because the one that says the settlements are a violation of international law seems to escape you all the time, even though if it had been respected then this mother would still be alive.

 

[fuji]

Locking them up in Gaza, with snipers on the wall, drones in the air and spies on their phones isn't enough?
Now you and fuji appear to be supporting killing all of Gaza?
If your goal is to turn Gaza into a more massive Warsaw Ghetto, congrats, as the UN says with only 10% there with clean water that goal is only about 3 years away.

All you ever do is lie. No one here advocates killing all of Gaza. One the contrary we want to save Gazans from tyranny and oppression by killing all of Hamas. It's because of Hamas that Gaza is a perpetual war zone.

You continuously yeti and defend Hamas by pretending that attacks on Hamas are attacks on all Gazans.

That's just you being dishonest.

 

[fuji]

Which international law are you respecting this time? Because the one that says the settlements are a violation of international law seems to escape you all the time, even though if it had been respected then this mother would still be alive.

Are you saying killing settlers is justified?

 

[OnTheWayOut]

All you ever do is lie.
That's just you being dishonest.

So FF is lying when he takes your side in the US election threads? I knew it!!

 

[Frankfooter]

No one is 'locked' in Gaza.

Wow, thousands eh?
Israel is so generous.

UN envoy: Gaza an open-air prison
John Holmes tells Al Jazeera that Israel's siege is resulting in misery for Palestinians.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2010/03/201032214210263604.html

As the UN says.

“As I have consistently stated, Israel’s settlement activity beyond the 1967 line is in flagrant violation of international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention,” he said.

Regarding the situation in Gaza, he said: “Gaza is a tinder box and certain to explode unless movement and access restrictions are lifted and humanitarian needs are addressed.”

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20161217-outgoing-un-chief-supports-ending-gaza-siege/

Or you could talk about the near starvation diet Israel imposed.

Haaretz Exclusive 2,279 Calories per Person: How Israel Made Sure Gaza Didn't Starve
State forced to release 'red lines' document for food consumption in the coastal Strip following legal battle; official: state has right to determine who it assists.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...made-sure-gaza-didn-t-starve.premium-1.470419

Or you could talk about the 20% of the population that lives with ptsd.
http://www.who.int/features/2014/gazans-mental-health-services/en/

Until Israel ends the war crime of the blockade, they are locked up.

 

[fuji]

Israel is not responsible for the poverty in Gazs, Hamas is.

Israel sent in pipes and other materials for a water filtration system to provide Gazans with better drinking water, and Hamas stole the materials and used the pipes to make qassam rockets and the rest of the material to build tunnels.

That's why Gaza is fucking poor: Hamas.

 

[basketcase]

Wow, thousands eh?
Israel is so generous....

As I pointed out before, you have this ridiculous belief that Israel should allow as many Hamas terrorists as possible into their country. I'm sure you also believe that Egypt keep's it's border locked up because of sinister Israeli policy and not because Hamas connections to Sinai terror. Fact is the Egypt and Israel's restrictions on Gaza is the leadership of Gaza promote violence.


Fact is that all of the restrictions are due to Hamas policy of attacking Israeli civilians and their often stated goal of destroying Israel and removing the Jewish presence. If Hamas weren't terrorist scum then there wouldn't be any issue.

But no, instead of calling on Hamas to abandon terrorism work towards peace you support Hamas staying armed.