The One State Solution Resource

I take it that also means that you have no moral authority on this issue either.
Certainly not to force Palestinians to live under an apartheid system that they really hate.

What moral authority can you claim given that all you do is lie lie lie lie lie.

Lying is immoral.

Lying that Israel is apartheid is doubly immoral because it is both a lie, as well as a racist attempt to incite hatred.

You have absolutely no place talking about morality!
 
You don't oppose Hamas and that is an issue. You even try to blame Israel for not invading Gaza and removing them.

Of course I have condemned Hamas before. How could I not condemn them if I criticize Israel for not removing them? Are you a person or some sort of Bot? Geez You are not even smart enough to recognize the contradiction in your own statement.
 
Of course I have condemned Hamas before. How could I not condemn them if I criticize Israel for not removing them? Are you a person or some sort of Bot? Geez You are not even smart enough to recognize the contradiction in your own statement.

It doesn't matter how often you criticize Hamas with either fuji or basketcase, they will continue to claim that you don't ever.
Its their last line in the sand, trying to argue that Hamas is responsible for all the evils of the occupation and apartheid system.

Calling for both sides to be held to the law and calling for equal rights for them just results in claims you are genocidal supporters of terrorists.
Such is the sad life of the supporters of the present Israeli policies.
 
Israel has carried out way more attacks on Gaza and Gazan's then Hamas has on Israel over the last few years.
Israel is both the occupier and the aggressor here.

Israel, and its illegal blockade, is the sole reason that only 10% of Gazans now have clean drinking water and that there is almost no power for hospitals.

And look at you once again justifying Hamas terror attacks on Israeli civilians. Only in your hate filled world could you take Israel protecting its civilians from Hamas terror attacks and portray it as aggression.

p.s. besides the blockade being 100% legal, if Hamas wanted to to improve the conditions of the people they rule then they should stop their corruption, stop spending money on terror arsenals, and start discussing peace. They are 100% responsible for the conditions in Gaza.
 
I take it that also means that you have no moral authority on this issue either.
You're right on that. I have no moral authority to force people in another country into a solution they detest. I do have the moral authority to criticize Hamas terrorism and criticize people like you who continually justify it.
 
Of course I have condemned Hamas before. How could I not condemn them if I criticize Israel for not removing them? Are you a person or some sort of Bot? Geez You are not even smart enough to recognize the contradiction in your own statement.

Your 'criticism' of Hamas is laughable since you refuse to hold them accountable for their terrorist actions. Instead you only look to blame Israel. Just a simple example is that Canadian girl who Hamas blew up on a beach. Instead of blaming the Hamas terrorists who set the bomb, you justified it by saying that a soldier could have been there and then laid blame on the girl's parents. It really is sickening that instead of blaming the people who intentionally set a bomb on a public beach you blame the parents of the victim.

Similarly laughable is that you have repeatedly accused Israel of war crimes from engaging in Gaza yet claim you want Israel to invade and remove Hamas.
 
You're right on that. I have no moral authority to force people in another country into a solution they detest. I do have the moral authority to criticize Hamas terrorism and criticize people like you who continually justify it.

And I have the moral authority to criticize apartheid, illegal occupations, illegal blockades, illegal colonization and ethnic cleansing.
Especially to people like you who continually justify it.

And I will join you in calls that Hamas should be held to the law.
And expect you to also agree that Israel should be held to the law as well.
 
And look at you once again justifying Hamas terror attacks on Israeli civilians. Only in your hate filled world could you take Israel protecting its civilians from Hamas terror attacks and portray it as aggression.

p.s. besides the blockade being 100% legal, if Hamas wanted to to improve the conditions of the people they rule then they should stop their corruption, stop spending money on terror arsenals, and start discussing peace. They are 100% responsible for the conditions in Gaza.

When did I justify Hamas terror attacks?
Post evidence or just admit that you are full of shit and constantly trying to change the subject from your support of apartheid, state terrorism and war crimes.
 
And I have the moral authority to criticize apartheid, illegal occupations, illegal blockades, illegal colonization and ethnic cleansing.
Especially to people like you who continually justify it.

And I will join you in calls that Hamas should be held to the law.
And expect you to also agree that Israel should be held to the law as well.

You have no moral authority. You are just a liar. All you do is lie lie lie lie.

1. Israel isn't apartheid
2. The occupation isn't illegal
3. The blockade isn't illegal
4. No one has been ethnically cleansed
5. Israel does follow the law

Hate has adled your brain.
 
If the occupation isn't illegal, why it wasn't the case when Iraq occupied Koweit or when Russia occupied Crimea ? Is Israel above the international law ?

Israel was the victim in the Arab war of aggression. Russia and Iraq were the aggressors--it was their invasions that were illegal. Israel on the other hand was attacked and captured territory while defending itself from the Arab aggressors.

Jordan and Egypt also both signed peace treaties with Israel that recognized Israeli control of the territories.

The occupation is entirely legal.
 
And I have the moral authority to criticize apartheid, illegal occupations, illegal blockades, illegal colonization and ethnic cleansing.
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You are right. You have the right to criticize figments of your imagination. The Canadian government And Ontario, the Democrats, Merkel etc) still condemn you.

And just like notty, your claims of criticizing Hamas are laughable. You only do it as a way to attack Israel. Considering you have repeatedly claimed Hamas has moved away from terrorism, pretend they are interested in a peace deal, and your claims that disarming Hamas is "subjugation" show that you see defense of Hamas far more important than actually holding them accountable.
 
When did I justify Hamas terror attacks?....

This could be a pretty long list.

You have said settlers are legitimate targets.
You claimed Hamas has no choice but to launch terror attacks from populated areas.
You claimed that Hamas moved away from terrorism despite their repeated attacks and constant calls for more.
You claimed it is racist to call out Hamas terrorism.

You also keep your claims of 'holding them to the law' yet despite their repeated admissions of war crimes you claim that disarming Hamas would be subjugation. How exactly does that fit with holding Hamas accountable?
 
If the occupation isn't illegal, why it wasn't the case when Iraq occupied Koweit or when Russia occupied Crimea ? Is Israel above the international law ?

If Israel annexed the West Bank it would be illegal. As it is they are legal occupiers until a peace deal is signed (which Hamas is clear they won't do).
 
This could be a pretty long list.

You have said settlers are legitimate targets.
When they are armed by the IDF they are no longer civilians.
By your own terms.
If they are not part of the militia they are not legitimate targets.

You claimed Hamas has no choice but to launch terror attacks from populated areas.
Gaza is the most densely populated area on the planet, are you going to let them out to fire their rockets?
You claimed that Hamas moved away from terrorism despite their repeated attacks and constant calls for more.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/report-israel-conditions/
http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=749934

You claimed it is racist to call out Hamas terrorism.
No, I stated it was racist to use the term 'cockroach' to describe Palestinians, from Hamas or otherwise.
Very different.

You also keep your claims of 'holding them to the law' yet despite their repeated admissions of war crimes you claim that disarming Hamas would be subjugation. How exactly does that fit with holding Hamas accountable?

If Israel is found to have broken similar laws do you then also agree that Israel should be totally disarmed as well?
Or is this a policy applicable only to those you call 'cockroaches'?

Describing the conditions that you back, conditions that are war crimes and crimes against humanity that have lead to acts of terrorism is not 'justifying terrorism'.
Its listing the crimes by both sides and playing an even hand.
As is calling for both sides to be held to the same laws and the same rules.
As is calling for both sides to be able to live with equal rights.

For you, even listing Israeli apartheid and colonialism is now 'justifying terrorism'.
That's just messed up.
 
Another important insight from Ben White that explains that the focus on small details such as pronouncements and political statements. Plainly put, these are attempts to put the focus on the trees and not the one state forest that all ready exists:

The one-state reality requires a radical rethink on Palestine-Israel

"But there is a danger in placing the focus on the pronouncements and statements of politicians and diplomats, Israeli or American. For a de facto, one-state reality has existed on the ground for years.

Don't like the word 'apartheid'? Feel free to suggest an alternative that describes a situation where, for 50 years, millions of Palestinians have had their lives run - and ruined - by a military authority whose political masters they cannot vote for or replace
This is an apartheid reality. Don’t like the word? Feel free to suggest an alternative then, one that describes a situation where, for 50 years, millions of Palestinians have had their lives run - and ruined - by a military authority whose political masters they cannot vote for or replace.

The discrimination does not begin when you cross the 1967 armistice lines, and nor are the policies, past and present, of displacement and colonisation restricted to the territories Israel occupied half a century ago next June.

The residents of Umm al-Hiran, remember, are Israeli citizens. Yet their homes are to be destroyed in order for Jewish citizens to live there. As Adalah has put it: "This is a clear case of dispossession and displacement for strictly racial reasons."

A dozen or so miles from Umm al-Hiran - and many other neighbouring communities denied basic infrastructure - lies another Palestinian village threatened with mass destruction, Susya, in the West Bank. Israel deems all the homes there to have been built "illegally".

http://www.middleeasteye.net/column...s-radical-rethink-palestine-israel-2098741389
 
Your fanatical dream of ethically cleansing Israel will not happen.

Palestinians lives were not ruined by IDF. Their lives were ruined by the PLO.
 
It's important to start envisioning the Single State Solution - this will help expedite its implementation

It is time to imagine how one state– one person, one vote– will work

Essential Elements of the New Order:

1. Equality and Non-discrimination: The State of Israel has failed in law and in practice to provide full equality even to its own Arab citizens. While Palestinians recognize that the new state will likely continue in the foreseeable future to be dominated by Jews for a number of reasons, Palestinians will require that equality be strictly applied, particularly in the public sphere. Public institutions, lands, funds, and resources, including water and public education, must be utilized equally in the interest of all citizens. Discrimination must not be tolerated. Arabic, which is currently formally recognized as an official language in Israel, will need to be deliberately incorporated into public life, on a par with Hebrew. While it was important for Jews to revive and promote Hebrew in Israel after centuries of non-use, there can be no excuse for the deliberate downgrading of Arabic (Arabic signs, where they exist even in the West Bank appear to be deliberately misspelled, and it is easier to find government documents in Amharic (the language of the recent Ethiopian immigrants) than in Arabic.

2. Freedom of Movement: Freedom of movement within the new state must be guaranteed. Restrictions of travel between the West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem, the settlements and pre-1967 Israel must be removed, as well as the Wall and the checkpoints. Discretionary (administrative) restrictions on travel within as well as to and from the new state must be removed. Security forces claiming the need for the restriction of the movement of any person must be required to obtain judicial orders, subject to the legal presumption in favor of freedom of movement that needs to be overcome when incarcerating a person.

3. Right of Return: Jews have insisted on a Right of Return to Israel as a fundamental right for any Jew throughout the world, particularly if he or she feels persecuted or endangered as a Jew. As it stands now, this right is not qualified by the need to show persecution or fear of a tangible threat, and the institutions of the State actively promote aliyah and incentivizes Jews to come to Israel. The availability of this right seems to be a serious requirement for Jewish Israelis which Palestinians must accept. However, Palestinians, who have been forcibly denied access to their homeland, must also have a right of return (Awdah). Had there been a 2SS, this right of return could have been limited to a new Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza. But it is a right which can and must be accommodated in a new governing structure in Israel/Palestine.

4. Relations with the Arab world. Israeli Jews feel a great connection to diaspora Jews, obtain much support from them, and advocate that they have a legitimate stake in, and responsibility for, Israel. Palestinian Arabs also feel they are an integral part of the Arab world and get, or at least expect, support from them. The new state will have to deal with both these inclinations. Palestinians will need to re-evaluate their pan-Arab identity, and adjust it to reflect that their state now is both Jewish and Arab to its very core.

5. Defense: For a number of reasons, primarily the trauma of the Holocaust, and the bitter experience of anti-Jewish anti-Semitism in the West (Palestinians are Semites, too), Israelis have a heightened sensitivity to control of the army and the defense establishment. The new State may require that the Minister of Defense as well as a majority of the top brass in the army be Jewish as a matter of permanent constitutional law. Palestinians, however, must be free to join the army on an equal basis, while all citizens must be able to demand exemption from military service for reasons of conscience.

6. Legal Protections: In addition to a constitution that embodies strict guarantees that safeguard the fundamental political interests of both groups, these “Protection Clauses” must be safeguarded from alteration except by large majorities (e.g., 80% of the Parliament) and approval by a super majority of a special constitutional court (e.g., 4 out of 5 judges where each group has at least 2). In other significant ministries and public bodies, quotas must dictate the minimum number of representatives at the highest level, while all other positions are filled on a merit, non-discriminatory basis. In government ministries, the deputy for each Ministry must belong to the other major group. (If the Minister is Jewish, then the deputy must be Arab). In this manner the fear that a high level public servant who belongs to one group will be oppressive to those in the minority group will be eliminated. In addition, this and other similar “Protection Clauses” will remove the ‘demographic threat’ and ensure that a group which has a numerical majority will not be able to oppress the minority, and that a future change in the numerical balance between the two communities will not render the new minority vulnerable to oppression by the majority.

7. Ministry of Tolerance: Out of a recognition that the security of citizens is a vital interest of the country, and in appreciation of the past experience of both peoples, the country should invest at least 10% of its defense budget in programs to promote tolerance and understanding of the history, culture and language of each community by the other, supervised by a government ministry conducting joint activities and programs intended to heal the hurts of the past.

http://mondoweiss.net/2016/11/imagine-state-person/
 
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When they are armed by the IDF they are no longer civilians.
By your own terms.
If they are not part of the militia they are not legitimate targets.
You've said settlers are valid targets because some of them may be in militias.


Gaza is the most densely populated area on the planet, are you going to let them out to fire their rockets?
And there you are again justifying war crimes and crimes against their own people. Most people would say the best solution is not to launch terror attacks but instead you make excuses for them.


No, I stated it was racist to use the term 'cockroach' to describe Palestinians, from Hamas or otherwise.
Very different.
And another case of your admitting my point. Terrorist groups are cockroaches but you consider it racist to say so.

If Israel...

Wait a second, why do you so quickly skip over holding Hamas accountable for the many crimes against humanity they have admitted to? Oh that's right, it would be 'subjugation' to disarm terrorists.