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The Discussion That Anti-Zionism is Not Anti-Semitism

Frankfooter

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Including many Israelis. Most people in favour of peace are hoping there is an election soon so he and his ultra-nationalist fringe can be booted. I'm sure you oppose that because a more moderate government willing to work towards peace will leave you with far less to bitch about.

Now how many Palestinians in Gaza are willing to admit they don't trust Hamas and what is the chance the people in Gaza will be able to choose a more moderate leadership?
Israel needs more than a new election.
It needs arrests of war criminals, public trials and the end of zionism.
Investigate and charge Hamas as well, but its zionism that has always been the problem.

 

Valcazar

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No, you get a ceasefire when the side committing genocide decides to stop committing genocide.
Its not a war between equal parties and the Israelis decide when it ends, like they decided when they end their occupation of Palestine.
None of what you said has anything to do with the reality of when ceasefire's happen.

If you think Biden doesn't trust Netanyahu and you think the US can't stop Israel, as you argue, then it doesn't matter to you.
From your arguments you would think a guarantee to be worthless.
No, a guarantee would be worth a lot.
That's why it can't just be thrown out willy nilly before actual negotiations.

If everyone in the US said they won't vote for Biden at once, do you think he'd stop supporting genocide?
That sounds better than some mutual destruction.
Of course he would.
If you had a foreign policy position the entire population of the US agreed on and was willing to vote on, it would be incredibly difficult to act against it.
This issue isn't remotely near that.

Sadly, freedom means the freedom to let people be asshats.
Yes.
That's why actual governance is harder than "Everyone should just agree with me and submit to my will".
 

Valcazar

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You get a ceasefire when both sides agree to terms. It is not a unilateral decision.
You can get a unilateral ceasefire.
It tends to be short lived and unstable, though.
 

shack

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Many Jews are anti-Zionist....come to the light, Shack!
Many is a very vague term. Are you able to quantify it so that we both know what the parameters are. Your sources for these numbers would be appreciated.
 

Frankfooter

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Have you ever accused anyone of supporting genocide or apartheid?

If you have, then you've confessed every time.
Yes, I confess to accusing you of backing genocide and apartheid.
So that's a confession I accuse people of backing war crimes when they support war crimes.
 

Frankfooter

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You and other KKK have used that phrase dozens of times and don't know what it means? Clearly you already know what the phrase means.
Every accusation is a confession, hammy.
Accusing others of racism while back a KKK like Jewish supremacy through zionism is a perfect example.

I argue for equal rights and the law, you argue for apartheid and genocide.
 

Valcazar

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Its not really a war, is it?
That's fair, but then why worry about ceasefire negotiations if you believe that?

One side did and agreed to the the terms proposed, working with the US.
Then the other refused.
You, yourself, have repeatedly said Hamas shouldn't accept ceasefire conditions it doesn't agree to.
Why would you expect the other side to not do the same?
Your own description of the agreement excludes the Israeli government from being part of the agreement.
This is like the people who think the US and Russia should negotiate a ceasefire for Ukraine.
 

Frankfooter

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That's fair, but then why worry about ceasefire negotiations if you believe that?
The situation has changed.
Ceasefire was offered and Israel chose to cross the US's red line and attack Rafah.



You, yourself, have repeatedly said Hamas shouldn't accept ceasefire conditions it doesn't agree to.
Why would you expect the other side to not do the same?
Your own description of the agreement excludes the Israeli government from being part of the agreement.
This is like the people who think the US and Russia should negotiate a ceasefire for Ukraine.
No, this isn't about the US. Its just become more clear that Netanyahu was dangling the possibility of a ceasefire the way he dangled the two state solution during Oslo while installing 'facts on the ground'.

Netanyahu ‘doesn’t know how to deal with this’

Rami Khouri, distinguished public policy fellow at the American University of Beirut, says Israel’s prime minister faces intense pressure from at least half a dozen different sources in the country as he struggles to juggle various forces.
Speaking to Al Jazeera, Khouri said, “He can’t achieve his war aims. He can’t look weak. He has to keep fighting and he’s probably looking at a position now where he thinks he and his right-wing partners can drive Palestinians out of Gaza.
“I think Netanyahu has a military problem on his hands. But he’s also got a political problem domestically, a diplomatic problem with the US, and the whole world is up in arms to support the Palestinians. And he doesn’t know how to deal with this.”


 
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