I agree . I have been a big supporter of the lockdown but they can't keep doing this forever. If a vaccine isn't effective then they might just have to open everything up and those that are vulnerable like myself have to become shut ins
The Covid-19 vaccine thread
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So Trump was playing Russian Roulette with his life in acting irresponsibly.
And under 50 people acting foolishly, selfishly & irresponsibly are putting the 50+ & "high risk" people's lives & health in peril.
So if you're 70+ there is a very real chance of dying from a C-19 infection. Greater than 5% or 5 in 100.
Also if you're 50-69 there is a very real chance of dying from a C-19 infection. Exactly 5 in 1000.
Anyone wanna play some "Russian Roulette". That's a fool's game.
Wake up.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...ian%20roulette
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...ssian-roulette
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di...ssian-roulette
The following is from:
Swing States Polls & Trump-Virus Numbers
While the Red Herd laughs off the 200,000 American dead due to the Trump-Virus, it’s a joke that swing state voters just aren’t getting. Given the still large numbers of “undecided” voters, the Orange Blimp still has time to turn it around, but odds are that pandering to his moron base is more...
www.therxforum.com
Shutdowns were the most effective precaution there was from a cautious health expert perspective. That's why the experts advocated lockdowns. They worked to save millions of lives from death, as well as millions of others from illness, hospitalization, ICU & long term negative health effects. Which would have impacted economies negatively. And led to hospitals being overwhelmed & having to choose between who lives & who dies because they wouldn't have been able to treat many emergency patients on arrival & have been forced to turn many away from timely needed emergency care. Leading to many more deaths.
So you're saying you advocated a Swedish approach "all along" from the beginning of the pandemic? Are you not aware that Sweden has suffered way more infections and deaths relative to their Nordic neighbours with no advantage economically? The Sweden approach has been a failure!
Are you not aware that even apparently healthy young people are dying & suffering long term negative consequences from C-19, in addition to suffering in ICU's from the illness. Which you ignored from my previous post.
"I was infected with coronavirus in March, six months on I’m still unwell
Charlie Russell, 27, is one of an estimated 600,000 people with post-Covid illness, a condition that may give an insight into ME"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-still-unwell
More on the long term negative effects of C-19 infection here:
https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/c-19...vivors.723087/
As for the shutdowns, what is obviously clear is they have had many benefits:
1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.
http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637
Many kids & young people's lives have already been saved due to the worldwide lockdowns.
Because motor vehicle accident deaths are the #1 leading worldwide cause of death in such.
"Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens."
https://www.google.com/search?q=lead...hrome&ie=UTF-8
"Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world.4
"...Road traffic injuries are estimated to be the eighth leading cause of death globally for all age groups and the leading cause of death for children and young people 5–29 years of age. More people now die in road traffic crashes than from HIV/AIDS.4"
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/...nd%20cyclists.
As for "trillions in damage", there would have been huge economic damage with or without the shutdowns. Without shutdowns millions more people get ill, hospitalized, suffer long term ill health & death leading to employees being absent from work, businesses shutdown anyway, & in many cases for much longer, etc.
"By the way, the facts about COVID-19 vs Flue in the US - the lies Trump, Pense (saying flu kills 100k a year) and his uneducated masses is promoting:
Flu Deaths by season:
2015-2016 23,000
2016-2017 38.000
2017-2018 61,000
2018-2019 34,000
2019-2020 22,000
vs.
COVID-19 deaths year-to-date 2020 210,000 and rapidly rising.
Source: CDC and John Hopkins University
The fact-based world not the Trump alternative facts fantasyland.
https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/thi...aced-the-fire-hose.725831/page-2#post-6828507
What is obviously clear is due to lockdowns:
1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.
http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637
Many kids & young people's lives have already been saved due to the worldwide lockdowns.
Because motor vehicle accident deaths are the #1 leading worldwide cause of death in such.
"Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens."
https://www.google.com/search?q=lead...hrome&ie=UTF-8
"Each year, 1.35 million people are killed on roadways around the world.4
"...Road traffic injuries are estimated to be the eighth leading cause of death globally for all age groups and the leading cause of death for children and young people 5–29 years of age. More people now die in road traffic crashes than from HIV/AIDS.4"
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/...nd%20cyclists.
New Pfizer vaccine said to be 90% effective.
Finally some good news. This could be a game-changer:
www.cnn.com
Finally some good news. This could be a game-changer:
Pfizer says early analysis shows its Covid-19 vaccine is more than 90% effective | CNN
Drugmaker Pfizer said Monday an early look at data from its coronavirus vaccine shows it is more than 90% effective -- a much better than expected efficacy if the trend continues.
www.cnn.com
You think scientists around the world are lying to you about masks but the scientists working for Pfizer are telling you the truth?New Pfizer vaccine said to be 90% effective.
Finally some good news. This could be a game-changer:
Pfizer says early analysis shows its Covid-19 vaccine is more than 90% effective | CNN
Drugmaker Pfizer said Monday an early look at data from its coronavirus vaccine shows it is more than 90% effective -- a much better than expected efficacy if the trend continues.
It sounds like you are happy about that. And it is for no other reason than to laugh at others. Your true character is showing.
Nope, I think Dr. Tam is spot on actually: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/three-layer-mask-tam-1.5787946
New Pfizer vaccine said to be 90% effective.
Finally some good news. This could be a game-changer:
Pfizer says early analysis shows its Covid-19 vaccine is more than 90% effective | CNN
Drugmaker Pfizer said Monday an early look at data from its coronavirus vaccine shows it is more than 90% effective -- a much better than expected efficacy if the trend continues.
"“Based on current projections we expect to produce globally up to 50 million vaccine doses in 2020..."
https://globalnews.ca/news/7450985/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-trials-caution-experts/
So no where near enough to vaccinate even the USA, let alone the planet, next year.
With that vaccine each person requires 2 doses.
"“Based on current projections we expect to produce globally up to 50 million vaccine doses in 2020 and up to 1.3 billion doses in 2021,” the company said (enough to vaccinate 650 million people as it is a double dose)."
No doubt at least 25 million will want it which is the number of people projected to get it next year globally. Even if all 25 million were in the USA that is only a small percentage of the population. So this vaccine is not going to do diddly squat for the world wide epidemic next year. Assuming it is even effective, which is far from a lock at this point (read the entire article i posted a link to).
With vaccines such as this it is recommended generally that everyone needs to & should get it. Since even healthy people can pass the virus from an infection to those who are at "high risk" re serious issues and or death from C-19.
Furthermore just because a person has "had it", i.e. been infected, does not guarantee they can't "have it" again & have serious problems the second time.
Vaccine is nearly irrelevant since a vast percentage will refuse to take it
I would expect the total to be even higher than normal vaccines simply due to the fact this was rushed through testing
At least 1/3rd of Canadians will never even consider taking this
I would expect the total to be even higher than normal vaccines simply due to the fact this was rushed through testing
At least 1/3rd of Canadians will never even consider taking this
???
You should actually look it up because one of the random mutations in SARS made it less likely to infect people.
Might be Darwinism in action. People able to critically think and understand evidence will get the vaccine (assuming it is shown to be safe) while those wired to accept conspiracies won't.
Really, hmmmm, I guess only in your world. DO you know they cannot get enough flu vaccine to keep up with demand? Imagine how many smart educated folks will scramble to get the Covid Vaccine after the front line and susceptible folks are dosed first. Only the few fools i.e. covididiots will fight it.
Every virus is different. They are slaughtering minks in Denmark because the virus passed from humans to minks and then the virus mutated in the minks and is now re infecting people.
BS
This proves how clueless you are
Even the common flu runs rampant BECAUSE it mutates
So if Person A gets inoculated and Person B refuses to then A STILL gets sick
And Covid is way more transmissible and mutated faster than the flu
Dunno what world you do live in lol based on majority of your comments
Fuck even OLD PEOPLE who are more susceptible to the flu refuse to get flu shots
Maybe thats why so many of them kick the bucket when Covid comes along
Flu vaccination rates in Canada
You go ahead and find me any year where even 75% get vaccinated in Canada alrighty then
