The only climate that's changing is people's view on the coddled and entitled teachers and their greedy union.
Teachers Union Sabotaging Education
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The only climate that's changing is people's view on the coddled and entitled teachers and their greedy union.
Luckily you are wrong skippy, most people dont hold neocon views like yourself, the majority believe that everyone is entitled to a quality education regardless of what socioeconomic level they are, one of the best in the world that hires highly educated, qualified people all with at least 2 degrees, pays them well and then gives them protection, that I wish all workers would have. The only entitled people are the ones in power you love like Boy Wonder Lecce, who is in over his head and completely obviously unqualified for the position and his boss, the man who is handing out money to his friends to race horses but all the sudden cant find money to protect children during a pandemic.
"Wish" was a good word to use, as you are definitely in the land of magic and unicorns on this issue! What do you want for Christmas, a date with 20 yr old Shania? LOL!
Productivity pays for everything, including education taxes. You can't have productivity if unproductive employees have iron clad job security.
In other words, secure jobs like teaching couldn't exist without a profitable, insecure private sector.
Another way of putting it is that without the contributions of some with such "neocon" views, we couldn't even have a society that allows some to make their way through life on wishes and rainbows.
One of the consistently top 10 scores in science and math along the likes of Singapore and Taiwan, there is your productivity. Why dont you neocons just come out and be honest, you want education only for rich people that produces the likes of Boy Wonder Lecce and Ford, and to hell with the rest of the population.
I don't care who gets educated, rich or poor, as long as we are maximizing our economic potential by producing the best people to grow our economy.
I look at education like manufacturing, except instead of making widgets, we are training the employees, managers, and entrepreneurs of tomorrow. However, we waste a lot of money educating students who are hopeless and will do absolutely nothing with what they've been taught. We keep them in school as a form of public childcare. That represents the majority of our education spending.
We don't maximize the capabilities of our best teachers because we eliminate any incentives to excellence by adopting the union model.
We do need everyone, the entire population, to be productive in some capacity. But for many, their best contribution would be unskilled labour or an apprenticeship trade.
Lastly, the accomplishments of a team do not belong to everyone on the roster. If you happen to be a teacher whose school tests well, but you were the weakest link, you deserve as much credit and job security as a healthy scratch on a Stanley Cup winning team.
You mean when teachers strike for months it's all about the students and quality of education?
You mean when a shitty teacher can't get fired, it's about the students and quality of education?
You mean unionized teachers are better qualified than private school teachers even though private school students perform better?
Get rid of the unions.
Get rid of the lazy and unqualified teachers.
Pay the best teachers top dollar.
Reward the best teachers based on performance.
The current system doesn't work and everyone knows it. Time for a change.
Hey, whaddya know!
I thought that you were just a right wing, racist extremist, part of the 7% of Canadians who are sure that Trump is not racist.
But you're also part of that 10% of Canadians who think that there is no climate change.
Wonder how small that Venn diagram overlap is with both of those.
You may be some kind of special after all!
A very extreme, extremist.
Clearly it failed you.
But boob, did you actually go to school in Canada?
Private or public?
You know not what you preach about
You must be a liberal or a union member
Ontario elementary students' math scores decline on standardized test
TORONTO — The number of elementary students in Ontario who are meeting the provincial standard in math has steadily declined over the past decade in the English pub…
nationalpost.com
Thank you for admitting that your concerns have nothing to do with kids.
And yes, it is disgusting that you think Ford's promise of minor tax cuts are more important than actually trying to ensure schools do not become the vector of pandemic spread.
Absolutely. Most workplaces have put in place social distancing, whether remote working or spreading employees out where possible. That is not happening in elementary schools where Ford has insisted that elementary kids continue with pre-covid class sizes in classrooms often lacking in basic ventilation.
And no, this has nothing to do with reducing workload. The School Board's plan was to reassign non-core teachers to make smaller classes. The 48 minutes shorter school day was to avoid increasing workloads.
Seems that all these Public Health units are the ones saying elementary classes should be smaller. Glad you agree with them.
Panic. We've dropped from 5th in the world to 6th.
p.s. These tests are run by an Ontario government organization where ford created a sweet job for his buddy before telling the organization to take the next couple years off.
The math scores are declining and the union is telling teachers not to come with their "A" game
This union does not act in best interest of students , parents or taxpayers.
They have to go, enough is enough. The province is broke
I love when your pathetic whining rejects all facts. Ontario students test at the top of the world and have consistently been doing so. It is also funny to see you want to blame the teachers because their curriculum (mandated by their employer and government) in recent years went a lot softer on what math is.
Most of the other countries that top the international testing in math are countries that see math as one of the most important aspects of youth and where parents expect their children to devote their time to academics. The fact that Canadians (and Ontario) kids do so well in a society where developing the whole person says something and their teachers are likely part of the reason.
Hey, since you think this is such a great idea can you forward me your boss's contact info and I'll get him to offer you the same deal?
I'm sure they'd love to offer you 20% less for the same job you're doing.
You are the pathetic one, just ignoring the financial mess the liberals and the unions have caused
Intelligent rational people do not ignore facts just because they do not like them
From the article
Ontario elementary students' math scores decline on standardized test
TORONTO — The number of elementary students in Ontario who are meeting the provincial standard in math has steadily declined over the past decade in the English pub…
nationalpost.com
The only consistency is a
How much has the average teachers salary increased over that same decade?
This is not a case of you get what you pay for
What is disgusting is seeing you apologize for teachers and look to assign blame anywhere and everywhere but at the feet of the teacher or their union
It boils down to this, If you demand to be compensated in the 10-15% of Canadian salaries , then you have to be accountable
Too bad for your apologist argument that the math scores have been on a
Do those other Top countries have provinces / states with the second or third highest non sovereign debt burden per capita?
Do those other Top countries have provinces / state which pay their teachers in the top 10-15 of all salaries in the country?
Do those other Top countries have provinces / state have a teachers union which tells the teachers not to come with their "A" game?
It is time for you to wake up
Ontario was in financial distress before the pandemic, the province has had to borrow heavily over the past months and revenue will decline with lower economic activity
It is not a bottomless pit
If the unions continue on the current path, big time layoffs will have to happen and it will come down to massive cuts to Health Care (which is unacceptable) or massive cuts to education
Now the default response from the loonie left is "raise taxes" , well that is now close to a mathematical certainty from the Federal Liberals.
Raising provincial and Federal taxes? No , not while the unions continue their abuse of the taxpayer.
This union does not act in best interest of students , parents or taxpayers.
They have to go, enough is enough. The province is broke
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As usual, you fail to comprehend. Yes, smaller classes might incrementally reduce the risk of Covid spread. However, if that was sound logic, then the classroom sizes should be zero! Public Health officials are overly cautious. We pay them to tell us the worst possible outcomes. However, we don't pay them, and they are not qualified, to take all factors into account and make a risk/reward decision.
