Teachers Union Sabotaging Education

[Boober69]

This is a great article that illustrates how the union's last priority is actually students...

"One middle-school teacher who works in midtown and spoke on condition of anonymity wrote to parents immediately after March Break with a baffling update: “I have lessons at the ready, but I have been directed to hold off.” A supply teacher at a midtown school received the same directive. “We got a notice from both our administrative team and the union that basically said, ‘Don’t do anything,’ ” she said. She’s looking for a permanent job and asked me to withhold her name for fear of retribution from the board. "

https://torontolife.com/city/toront...-online-learning-was-an-unmitigated-disaster/

...because it's all about the students right? Right.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

It wasn't the union specifically that was telling teachers to hold off. It was the Ministry/School Boards/Unions who were trying to establish some ground rules for a completely novel type of learning and a unified start up date for the entire province to follow. It would have been a shit show if one teacher started March 24th, one on the 29th, one on the 2nd of April etc. with one doing say 20 hours per week, one doing 5, one doing 10 etc. There's no conspiracy here but I guess media outlets and teacher bashers need some fodder to get them through the dog days of summer.

 

[Frankfooter]

That article shows that Ontario is shortchange the TDSB and not providing the resources needed for online courses.
The online courses you've been drooling for have failed, way too many kids don't have access to computers, families aren't happy to have to have their kids back home and the ministry fucked up communication and planning for online courses.

Total Ford shit show.

Do you even read what you post?

To make TDSB classrooms safe will require creativity and nimbleness. Sudden outbreaks of Covid-19 or a second wave might force kids back home. If that happens, teachers need to be empowered to teach remotely, supported with the resources to be effective, and the whole thing should be monitored carefully by the board and the ministry. That kind of success is built on trust, goodwill, innovation, flexibility and great communication—none of which were on display during the spring. It will also require increased autonomy for the boards, which remain financially beholden to the ministry. Unfortunately, the squabbling has continued over the return-to-school plan, suggesting that the chaos the TDSB experienced in spring will persist into the fall. For students, that could mean substandard education, or even no education at all.

 

[JohnLarue]

It wasn't the union specifically that was telling teachers to hold off. It was the Ministry/School Boards/Unions who were trying to establish some ground rules for a completely novel type of learning and a unified start up date for the entire province to follow. It would have been a shit show if one teacher started March 24th, one on the 29th, one on the 2nd of April etc. with one doing say 20 hours per week, one doing 5, one doing 10 etc. There's no conspiracy here but I guess media outlets and teacher bashers need some fodder to get them through the dog days of summer.

Well according to the article

When it came to delivering the assignments and tasks, one union rep for an east-end school told her teachers over Zoom to take special care to avoid anything resembling excellence. “Don’t go above and beyond,” she said. “It could set the bar too high. If you come out with your A game, and later the ministry has its own ideas to add on, it would pile on more work for everyone.”

If your chosen profession is teaching, you should strive to come out with your A game every single day ie, putting the best interest of the students first and foremost

"Hi Jimmy we are going to give you a C+ in math this semester. You were getting A level marks before, what went wrong?"

"Well teach, you came out with your C+ game this semester, rather than your A game as instructed by your union"

Why are union reps instruction teachers on how to perform?
Teachers demand professional level compensation
They should behave and perform like professionals
Intentionally coming out with less than your A game is not professional performance

 

[Boober69]

It wasn't the union specifically that was telling teachers to hold off. It was the Ministry/School Boards/Unions who were trying to establish some ground rules for a completely novel type of learning and a unified start up date for the entire province to follow. It would have been a shit show if one teacher started March 24th, one on the 29th, one on the 2nd of April etc. with one doing say 20 hours per week, one doing 5, one doing 10 etc. There's no conspiracy here but I guess media outlets and teacher bashers need some fodder to get them through the dog days of summer.

The ministry has been pushing for remote learning and the union has clearly refused to entertain the concept. Then the pandemic hit and remote learning was not where it needed to be.

Teacher bashers? It was teachers who came came forward and said they were being told by their unions to essentially make remote learning fail.

Considering teachers have been paid in full while essentially doing nothing for the remainder of the school year, they shouldn't complain.

In the real world, people have lost jobs. Greedy teachers believe they are above everyone else. And their unions are even worse.

Time to get rid of this bs union that serves no purpose...and definately does not put students first.

 

[Boober69]

That article shows that Ontario is shortchange the TDSB and not providing the resources needed for online courses.
The online courses you've been drooling for have failed, way too many kids don't have access to computers, families aren't happy to have to have their kids back home and the ministry fucked up communication and planning for online courses.

Total Ford shit show.

Do you even read what you post?

The union has been fighting against online learning, hindering progress at every turn.
During the pandemic, the Ministry had to actually tell teachers to spend time with students as many were doing nothing.

Lazy teachers. Greedy union. Gullible Frankfooter.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Well according to the article


If your chosen profession is teaching, you should strive to come out with your A game every single day ie, putting the best interest of the students first and foremost

"Hi Jimmy we are going to give you a C+ in math this semester. You were getting A level marks before, what went wrong?"

"Well teach, you came out with your C+ game this semester, rather than your A game as instructed by your union"

Why are union reps instruction teachers on how to perform?
Teachers demand professional level compensation
They should behave and perform like professionals
Intentionally coming out with less than your A game is not professional performance

If the teachers go “above and beyond” to accommodate this crisis they will be setting a standard that they will not be able to maintain.

 

[t.o.leafs.fan]

The online learning program was an unmitigated disaster because the concept of online learning for kids is an unmitigated disaster. Your average 5-16+ year old is not a self-directed learner and with class sizes being what they are in the public system and the multi needs in a typical classroom being what they are, for the program to work you need independent, self-directed learners and that's just not the reality. It's unworkable with the typical kid. The article is a private school good, public school, ministry, teachers unions and teachers are bad fluff piece. The reality is the public system, with all of it's blemishes works for a large number/the majority of kids but online learning is a shit alternative.

 

[JohnLarue]

If the teachers go “above and beyond” to accommodate this crisis they will be setting a standard that they will not be able to maintain.

what part of putting the best interest of the students first and foremost did you not understand?

 

[Strifen]

Get these kids back into school ASAP. COVID is the biggest overblown scam ever.

 

[lomotil]

Queens Park should pass legislation to make the teachers an essential service and take away their right to strike and hold students as hostages. If it were not for the pandemic, the teachers would be engaged in revolving strikes again.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Education is like everything else in life- you get what you pay for.


Sorry not sorry.

 

[Frankfooter]

The union has been fighting against online learning, hindering progress at every turn.
During the pandemic, the Ministry had to actually tell teachers to spend time with students as many were doing nothing.

Lazy teachers. Greedy union. Gullible Frankfooter.

From your article:

the ministry issued guidelines for teachers—they should provide five hours of work a week for K to Grade 6, 10 hours a week for Grades 7 and 8, three hours per week per course for semestered high school students, and one and a half hours a week per course for non-semestered students. It seemed like progress, but no one said anything about synchronous learning.

Its Ford's and his idiotic home schooled ministry of education you should blame.

 

[JohnLarue]

Education is like everything else in life- you get what you pay for.


Sorry not sorry.

Actual if Education was like everything else in life we would have multiple vendors competing for the privilege of educating our students
Actual if Education was like everything else in life we would not be subject to ongoing extortion in order to have our students educated

sorry, yes sorry, the province is broke, the teacher gravy train will have to come to a screeching halt. The cupboard is bare and the debt is massive

 

[Frankfooter]

Actual if Education was like everything else in life we would have multiple vendors competing for the privilege of educating our students
Actual if Education was like everything else in life we would not be subject to ongoing extortion in order to have our students educated

sorry, yes sorry, the province is broke, the teacher gravy train will have to come to a screeching halt. The cupboard is bare and the debt is massive

You can pay for school if you want.
But telling other people they don't deserve school when their taxes pay for it won't get you very far.

 

[Boober69]

From your article:


Its Ford's and his idiotic home schooled ministry of education you should blame.

haha nice try...the Ministry had to actually tell the teachers to put in time because they were just sitting at home doing nothing and collecting full pay.
Hard concept to understand? ie you have to do your job to get paid.

 

[Frankfooter]

haha nice try...the Ministry had to actually tell the teachers to put in time because they were just sitting at home doing nothing and collecting full pay.
Hard concept to understand? ie you have to do your job to get paid.

No, the teachers were told what they were to teach by the ministry, extra effort was deemed contrary to the Ford online course plan.
Which sucked ass, by the way.

How many people do you think really want online courses part of the regular curriculum after this year?

 

[Boober69]

No, the teachers were told what they were to teach by the ministry, extra effort was deemed contrary to the Ford online course plan.
Which sucked ass, by the way.

How many people do you think really want online courses part of the regular curriculum after this year?

The unions told the teachers to do nothing. If the union would have let the Ministry roll out a proper program before the pandemic, it would have been a seemless transition.

But instead, they did everything they could to sabotage progress.

If people have learned anything from this pandemic, it's that online learning will need to be fully engrained into the education system for the next time China fucks up the planet with a new virus.

 

[scouser1]

The unions told the teachers to do nothing. If the union would have let the Ministry roll out a proper program before the pandemic, it would have been a seemless transition.

But instead, they did everything they could to sabotage progress.

If people have learned anything from this pandemic, it's that online learning will need to be fully engrained into the education system for the next time China fucks up the planet with a new virus.

It was the ministry that directed the teachers, not the union so you can sing and dance all you want of your neocon song but it wont make it true. It is the ministry that sets out the curriculum and gives the directions to the school boards. If we learned anything from the pandemic, it is that online learning doesnt work for kids 5 to 16, they have no self regulation, they need the help of the classroom teacher, access to internet is not equal all across the province, and the access to technology is not available to all.

Boy Wonder Lecce the most unqualified person in this government has been telling us how wonderful online learning is, using the example of Alabama (btw who ranks 49th out of 50 states in education) and is clearly looking to give the contract to one of his or Ford's buddies. The handling of this return to class has been a cluster fuck if there was ever one, the government doesnt want more than 50 people in a restaurant or movie theatre, but putting 700 kids in a building with no social distancing, poor ventilation and no funding is the train wreck we are headed towards in this province.

 

[Boober69]

It was the ministry that directed the teachers, not the union so you can sing and dance all you want of your neocon song but it wont make it true. It is the ministry that sets out the curriculum and gives the directions to the school boards. If we learned anything from the pandemic, it is that online learning doesnt work for kids 5 to 16, they have no self regulation, they need the help of the classroom teacher, access to internet is not equal all across the province, and the access to technology is not available to all.

Boy Wonder Lecce the most unqualified person in this government has been telling us how wonderful online learning is, using the example of Alabama (btw who ranks 49th out of 50 states in education) and is clearly looking to give the contract to one of his or Ford's buddies. The handling of this return to class has been a cluster fuck if there was ever one, the government doesnt want more than 50 people in a restaurant or movie theatre, but putting 700 kids in a building with no social distancing, poor ventilation and no funding is the train wreck we are headed towards in this province.

Fact: The Chief Medical Officer and Sick Kids Hospital have both said the risk is low and have given their approval to re-open. Is that not good enough for you?

Fact: The Ministry has provided $500 million towards school improvements for physical distancing and $50 million for ventilation systems, $18 million for more online learning resources
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...ack-to-school-plan-breaks-provincial-law.html

Fact: The Ministry has subsidized equipment and internet service to whoever needed it through this pandemic

Fact: Online learning doesn't work if teachers are told by their unions to not make it work.The private schools somehow managed to make it work. You know why? Cause they are not unionized and if a teacher refused to do it properly they are fired.

Jeezuz the union was even screaming about not having 4 elearning courses introduced just before the pandemic.

Meanwhile you have the unions and teachers only coming up with reasons about why things won't work rather than putting in the effort to make them work.

But we all know the unions are not about the kids. They just use them as pawns during the bargaining process.

Time to scrap these teachers unions altogether. People have lost their patience and those union tactics are coming to light more than ever.