Teachers Union Sabotaging Education
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Do you think that the virus will just magically appear because kids are together?
Who's direction do you want to take? The unions or the Chief Medical Officer?
If you read the actual details instead of listening to Ford spin:
In normal operation, elementary teachers get their prep time when the students get instruction by specialised french, phys-ed, math or science teachers.
To make classes smaller than the ridiculous Ford plan (which is motivated purely by reducing costs), one option would be simply to hire more teachers. Knowing that it would be cost prohibitive, the TDSB wanted to assign those specialised teachers to teach core classes instead. This would have allowed for smaller classes (15-20 max) without a significant addition cost. The down side is the school day would need to be shortened to accommodate the prep time the teachers are contractually allowed.
I would speculate that Ford government rejected it because a) it would still require some additional hiring (expense), and b) because it would expose how poorly thought out the government plan was.
As for the OP, your sources clearly say the instruction to wait was coming from the Province, the boards, and the unions.
You're saying that you think the TDSB should ignore the directives from Toronto Health and only listen to Doug Ford?
You think its wise to bring back schools with full class sizes?
Wait? Why wait?
The teachers priority should always be the best interest of the students.
if it is not there is a long line up of people willing to take on the assignment
That priority is completely independent of the state of the provinces finances.
if it is not there is a long line up of people willing to take on the assignment
Not Ford...the Chief Medical Officer and SIck Kids Hospital.
Cause we all know if it was just Ford providing the directive, you would be crying about him not listening to the professionals & science.
You think 15 kids in a class vs 25 seriously makes a difference if a few have the virus?
Listen to the professionals and take your own medicine.
You're just sore because Ford is basing decisions on what the medical experts are recommending and now your usual argument isn't working.
Because their employer told them to (as well as their union)?
So you think the province is justified in having 30 eight year olds all day in the same room without masks during a pandemic simply so they can continue with planned tax cuts?
Again what part of the province is broke do you not understand ?
10% more teachers @ 10% less compensation for all teachers would work
Please quote where Ford's medical experts say that having 25-30 kids in class together is acceptable.
I trust the Chief Medical Officer and their staff of experts if that's what you mean?
Who do you trust? The teacher's union scientific experts?
Do not make up crap and attribute it to me!!!!
I did not say that!!!
There are union reps telling teachers not to come with their "A" game and you have the nerve to imply this lot has the students best interest as their priority?
Not a chance !
20% more teachers @ 20% less compensation for all teachers would work
Again the province is broke and all cost have to be controlled otherwise a default is imminent
The rest of the world has had to adjust, are the teachers too important to adjust as well?
If what the government was proposing was to reduce costs, why are they throwing $millions in support at this?
Just be honest. The union is trying to hire more teachers and is using the pandemic as a means to do so. I would respect that answer more than whining about prep time and class sizes.
You think the risk would be significantly less with 20 kids in a class vs 25?
We should send this note to your boss at Timmies and tell him you'll gladly take 20% pay cut.
You really should not lecture anyone on science
You do not have any poll numbers on the virus in order to determine your opinion about the science.
Of course, science is not determined by opinion polls, but apparently that is not important to you
Fear not as I suspect a 97% number will soon appear which supports some lunatic left policy
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larue, you are the last person on this board to claim to be an expert in science.
As a hard core science denier with climate change, you clearly have no clue.
The existence of Covid 19 is a reality that anyone with a job of any kind will have to face. If teachers have too much anxiety about their interactions with children to continue to work in schools, they should resign and try to find work which doesn't involve so much interaction.
My prediction is that hardly any of them will - thus exposing that this is all a ploy by their union to reduce teacher workloads (as it always is).
Just like we all became better off when auto companies replaced unproductive and inconsistent workers with robots, the sooner that e-learning is ready for primetime, the better off we will all be. Our public education system has become more of a public childcare program, which could be delivered at far lower cost.
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I completely trust that when Ontario public health officials say that something is safe they truly believe what they saying, because they are trained in their profession to raise every possible risk. I don't trust that they are always right. However, when they claim that something is unsafe, I don't always accept their assessments, because I understand why they are disposed to be overly cautious, and that they are in no position to weigh other considerations against the level of their uncertainty.
At Timmies and most other businesses, when the business is declining, they let people go.
Teacher's union seems to think when student enrollments are on the decline, it's time to hire more teachers.
