I do not think so
However you are entitled to your opinion
BTW, the feeling is mutual
Teachers to Boycott After School Programs
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However you are entitled to your opinion
BTW, the feeling is mutual
Everybody who is incapable of learning has taken to teaching.I'm glad I don't have kids in school anymore.Shitty parents complaining about spoiled kids who tell their teachers to go fuck their hands every other day.A teacher making 83,000.00$ to teach children?..just awful.i mean it's not they are trying to teach them life skills, or the ability to make it in the world right?..oh wait....that's exactly what their fucking doing.
You wouldn't hear such a fuss if they were manager's making 83,000.00$.Know why?...because then they'd be making money.....successful.....no these poor slubs are just trying to prepare kids for the world ahead of them.What kind of job is that!?!?..Pussys!!.Parent's(with exceptions of course) are just FUCKING, and have fucked the last few generations of kids.
I do volunteer work, and work with a variety of teachers , students and parents and most of the parents are absolutely fucking clueless what kind of an asshole Jr. or little miss is like 3 quarters of the time in school.
CEO's, gangbangers,porn stars, and Kim Kardashian get more respect then Teachers do.What does that tell you about how fucked the human race is?
Oscar Wilde
Ok.................. There are better ways to control and reduce teacher costs if either Dumb or Dumber were capable of thinking outside of the narrow box their minds function in.
Lets hear your plan for controlling and reducing teacher costs.
It has to be done
If there are alternatives lets hear them
And it will be teachers putting a pox on the NDP if (god forbid) the orange party ever gains power and figures out what the real cost isA pox on both the liberals and the PC's.
Do you honestly think we are that stupid?Those banked sick days had to be used by teachers suffering a major illness to get them through the period until their disability pension kicked in.
For 99% of all teachers this amounts to a retirement bonus.
Once again, if public service employees want a bonus, go work in the private sector.
You are arguing out of both side of of your hat here.This legislation is mostly targeted by Dumb and Dumber at young teachers who are struggling to start homes, pay off university debts, etc. Sure they are going to allow 1st & 2nd year teachers to continue up the salary grid during the pay freeze meaning that at the end of the two year freeze these new teachers will be making more than teachers with more years of experience.
I do not know if you think this is good or bad for young teachers.
Please review & resubmit
Perhaps the more experienced teachers are grossly overpaid @ 90K + for 9 1/2 months work
Take your bias blinders off for a minute
The province is broke and sinking into deeper debt
They have to control costs
Look at all the sports and clubs going on that adults volunteer for. Most after working an 8-9 hour day. Why do teachers think they are so much more special for running clubs and sports after school? I remember last time they had this hissy fit, the schools wouldn't allow parents to run those programs. If the teachers are so hard done by, then fine, don't volunteer. Do your job, and get out of the way for others who want to run those programs.
Volunteers can't run the programs without the presence of teachers. You need a teacher present for any school team in the province of Ontario. I'm not sure why you think teachers think "they are so much more special for running clubs and sports after school". I'm pretty sure most of them don't think they're anything special. It's just something many of them do at the end of the work day. They'll likely continue to do so when the province decides to respect their collective bargaining rights again. Who knows when that will be.
Look at all the sports and clubs going on that adults volunteer for. Most after working an 8-9 hour day. Why do teachers think they are so much more special for running clubs and sports after school? I remember last time they had this hissy fit, the schools wouldn't allow parents to run those programs. If the teachers are so hard done by, then fine, don't volunteer. Do your job, and get out of the way for others who want to run those programs.
It depends on what we mean by that.It never works in favour of the teachers....
It's true the public won't sympathize with the teachers. But at some point people may very well expect the government to do something to fix the problem. What does the government do at that point?
The teachers may not win the hearts and minds of the public but the squeeze on the government could work in their favour.
I think the teachers union realize they've been vilified very successfully by many politicians. Winning over the public is never going to happen. Is John larue going to all of a sudden respect the profession because the teachers agree to a wage freeze this time around? At some point in time you have to fight for yourself with whatever resources you may use. If you can strike....then sometimes you have to strike. If you can work to rule...at some times you have to work to rule. That may not make the john larues of the world very happy...but in the end, who really cares what john larue thinks?
It depends on what we mean by that.
It's true the public won't sympathize with the teachers. But at some point people may very well expect the government to do something to fix the problem. What does the government do at that point?
The teachers may not win the hearts and minds of the public but the squeeze on the government could work in their favour.
I think they have a right to protest and wearing t-shirts seems like a very appropriate method. I had not heard about teachers abusing other teachers for not wearing black.... Then you have the teachers wearing black shirts for a day, and abusing another teacher who didn't wear black that day. ...
I've read that their wages were frozen under Rae and Harris meaning that their increases from the time of the last NDP government is below the COLA raises I have gotten.....
The teachers unions couldn't wait to get rid of Mike Harris and the PC government. They have done very well under Mcguinty over the last 8 years. If you had told the teachers back then that they would have got 25% more (and I heard it was closer to 30% they have gained under McGuinty) over the next 10 years they would have been happier than pigs in shit. So, they got all that over 8 and take a freeze for 2, it's still a ton better than they were looking at under the prior government. Shame on them for bringing this into the schools.
I've volunteered coaching in schools and in outside clubs. Most of the teachers I worked with put in a heck of a lot more hours than me. Of course these likely aren't average but when I was volunteering 4 hours a week for a couple months, they were doing that or more for the whole school year. There is also the difference that having no connections to schools, I'm lauded as an admirable volunteer but they are seen as simply doing what a teacher should.Look at all the sports and clubs going on that adults volunteer for. Most after working an 8-9 hour day. Why do teachers think they are so much more special for running clubs and sports after school? I remember last time they had this hissy fit, the schools wouldn't allow parents to run those programs. If the teachers are so hard done by, then fine, don't volunteer. Do your job, and get out of the way for others who want to run those programs.
I was thinking the same thing.. the teachers were given an opportunity to show that they care about the kids, and that they will sacrifice their own gains.. but no, they use kids as bargaining chips..Perhaps you are viewing this problem from the wrong angle.
Perhaps the question should be:
"CEO's, gangbangers,porn stars, and Kim Kardashian get more respect then Teachers do.What does that tell you about how fucked Teachers are?"
BTW:
They would garner a lot more respect if they took notice of the economic conditions and accept the reality that the province can no longer afford to pay $83K for 9 1/2 months work.
That is the starting salary but the average one is $83,000 and they can retire after 25 yes in service like most public employees. (50 - 55 yrs old) like cops, firemen and other public employees. They can also bank their sick days. I am sorry to tell you but in the real world ( private sector) this in not happening. You can't bank sIck days, take 3 months vacation and most people have only cpp as a pension.btw they start off at 40k.
go yell at the cops pulling in 100K+ while handing out tickets lol
Taxes are killing us in Canada. Business are running away due to high taxes, we are in a recession and we are getting deeper into it. Is time to put our finances in order and start curing cost. If this means government employees have to take pay cuts and have fewer benefits so be it. The private sector has been doing this for Years already.
This is true. In the last 8 yrs. salaries have risen by 25%. However, there was an 8 or 9 yr. period in the 90's where salaries saw no real increase (there were signing bonuses but no salary increases). Over the last 20 yrs. teacher salaries have not risen more than 35%. Less than 2% per yr. Salaries now, by cost of living standards, are no greater than they were in the 80's. Teachers are treading water just like the other suckers. Pensions are worse, too. To listen to some though it's champagne wishes and caviar dreams.
I've read that their wages were frozen under Rae and Harris meaning that their increases from the time of the last NDP government is below the COLA raises I have gotten..
A whole other world out there
FAST
So I guess you have never been to a soccer field, a base ball diamond or a skating rink ???Volunteers can't run the programs without the presence of teachers. You need a teacher present for any school team in the province of Ontario. I'm not sure why you think teachers think "they are so much more special for running clubs and sports after school". I'm pretty sure most of them don't think they're anything special. It's just something many of them do at the end of the work day. They'll likely continue to do so when the province decides to respect their collective bargaining rights again. Who knows when that will be.
FAST
That line always makes me laugh. I'm in the private sector but still wondering what this 'real world' is. Is it like the imaginary views of how good things 'used to be' or is it simply a nonsense comment that people pull out when they think life is unfair and someone else is getting something they aren't?T... I am sorry to tell you but in the real world ....
I figure that like me, teachers are paid to do a job. that seems real enough to me.
I have no idea what your point is FAST. I'm just saying for Ontario Public and Separate school sports and extracurriculars, a teacher must be on the sidelines.
I am a coach. I've been on many a sporting field.
I am a coach. I've been on many a sporting field.
So I guess you have never been to a soccer field, a base ball diamond or a skating rink ???
FAST
That's one school.Just heard teachers at Stephen Lewis Secondary School in Vaughan to boycott student's after school programs. I guess the unions were right when they said the new contract the Liberals forced on the teachers would hurt the students.
Over the last 10 years the teachers have enjoyed a 25% pay increase. Now they don't get their way so what do they do, punish the students. That speaks volumes!
Looks like it's business as usual for schools with football..... unless Rob Ford and the Don Bosco Eagles are just having exhibition games for notihg.
As usual people are taking one school and painting all teachers with the same brush.
No. JL has a hate on for teachers.... masked behind a "it's all about the budget" line. And by masked, I really mean thinly veiled. Some might even argue that there's no attempt to hide the contempt.I feel for JohnLarue for injecting logic and humor (ie. his tongue-in-cheek qoute) into a discussion full of imbeciles.
What I find amusing is that 90K after 11 years of teaching and 3 months holidays sounds so great. 11 years ago the starting salary was mid 30s and capped out at 68K. Teachers had no idea it was going to go up to 90K. When you look at the raises it was actually more in the neighbourhood of 3% per year. So above inflation but not by a lot.
The holidays were no secret but the salary was a surpsie. If it sounds so good get a Bachelor's of Ed and get yourself a contract. Finding a full time position is very very tough without an in at a school or becoming known by doing supply or part time positions first..... even then it's tough. Think about it how many graduate from teacher's college per year and how many teacher's retire and how many new schools are built and how many kids are born/immigrate here.
I guess that is a down side of collective bargaining.As usual people are taking one school and painting all teachers with the same brush.
Please decide on one or the other
1. Do you want the grossly inflated compensation collective bargaining has provided you or
2. Do you want your characters judged as individuals and prefer not to be painted with same brush as the militant teachers who are placing their financial demands ahead of the students best interests
You can not have it both ways.
Oops sorry, you are teachers , so I guess you are entitled to have it both ways
Wrong.... most are elgible to retire at mid 50s..... I think the average Canadian lives to 75 or so. So it's more like 20 to 25 years of pension.... keep in mind some teach for longer as if you hold off on retiring you get a bigger pension.FatOne writes:
For how many years can a typical teacher retiring today expect to
collect a pension?
Answer: c. A typical teacher retiring today can expect to
collect a pension for 30 years, plus a benefit may be paid to a
survivor after the retired teacher dies. This means a typical
teacher will collect a pension for about four years longer than
the average teaching career.
These figures are based on teachers who retire at age 50. Teachers who retire at that age do indeed live long. But the fact remains that those teachers who started their careers late and are retiring in their late 50s or in their 60s do not live long after retirement.
Not sure what happens if the person dies. Some pensions are structured such that when they die the spouse gets a smaller amount. Or you can set it for collecting a smaller pension but in the event of your death your spouse doesn't take as big of a paycut. Not sure what it's like for teachers..... but that's how some University prof pensions are set up.
Only way to retire at 50 would be to start teaching at age 20. So you'd have to start university at 15 or 16.
