Teachers to Boycott After School Programs

[frankcastle]

You would lose
There is an old saying, those that can't,,,,, teach

No way teachers could find the equivalent pay in the private sector

And where is your proof of this anyways? The average salary for a person with a bachelors, masters or phd is pretty good. And that's the average, on the higher ends are people with those degrees who are earning more than the average getting into or beyond the teacher range. I'll bet some of the science, math teachers could have done well....some tech teachers could probably do well in a trade. Heck a music teacher giving piano lessons from home could do well.... lessons are not cheap these days and they could write off a bunch of home expenses.

So would all teachers do well? No.

Could some? Yes

More than 1/1000..... probably

 

[JohnLarue]

And where is your proof of this anyways? The average salary for a person with a bachelors, masters or phd is pretty good. And that's the average, on the higher ends are people with those degrees who are earning more than the average getting into or beyond the teacher range. I'll bet some of the science, math teachers could have done well....some tech teachers could probably do well in a trade. Heck a music teacher giving piano lessons from home could do well.... lessons are not cheap these days and they could write off a bunch of home expenses.

I work in the real world
Believe me on this one

If you doubt what I say, apply for a few 90K jobs, but do not hold your breath

 

[frankcastle]

I work in the real world
Believe me on this one

If you doubt what I say, apply for a few 90K jobs, but do not hold your breath

Open a daycare in your own home. At 1000/month per child and the ability to write off things in your home related to the business. I think one person can have around 6 to 8 kids depending on their age.... infants is less. You could do well. All you need is ECE college training for that.

 

[frankcastle]

I work in the real world
Believe me on this one

If you doubt what I say, apply for a few 90K jobs, but do not hold your breath

A tech teacher who is skilled in a trade could easily make 60 an hour and working 8 h a day for 52 weeks puts them into the 120K range.

Take a look at homestars.ca you'll find handymen who charge on avg 65 to do odd jobs around the house. The good ones are busy and booked up solid.

 

[frankcastle]

Piano teacher makes 35 for 30 min could work out of home and again write things off

Being a private tutor could easily get you 40 to 50 cash an hour

 

[frankcastle]

http://www.payscale.com/research/US...ence_(BS_/_BSc),_Computer_Science_(CS)/Salary

Keep in mind we are comparing to teachers who have been working for 10 years

So we might want to look at the higher ends of the scales.... so people with a comp sci degree CAN/MAY do close or better than a teacher in terms of salary

 

[frankcastle]

http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Chartered_Accountant/Salary

payrange for chartered accountants is not far off from teachers so a business teacher might have steered themselves in that direction

Point is that I've listed enough viable options that your 1/1000 is far from being accurate.

 

[JohnLarue]

Yeah but you said less than 1/1000 but the prevalance of masters and phds is probably higher than that.
Furthermore, as tolf pointed out admissions to teachers college in ontario has gotten harder and harder in terms of competition.
And you're discounting that some people might actually choose teaching because they enjoy it even though they could have applied to medical school or law school or become a contractor,

More competition for your jobs you say
Perhaps there is a more reasonable and less entitled group of people who are more than capable of education todays youth at a cost that is manageable
A group that will place the students above financial compensation
A group that understands the provinces financial position and be content with an average salary & the summers off
A group that does not insist on Banking sick days , simply because they recognize that as excessive

Hmmm.
Perhaps you have provided the solution to the problem.

BTW if someone can make 90K in 9 1/2 months teaching piano, I would be shocked
You are right out to lunch on salaries
90K for a Masters or PHD usually is accompanied by many years of relevant experience and only in specific fields (computer science, engineering, business)

A PHD in sociology or psychology & a bus token will get you downtown and not much further

Now if you can sell or drive revenue, then 90K is achievable
But natural sales people do not go into teaching to begin with

 

[frankcastle]

More competition for your jobs you say
Perhaps there is a more reasonable and less entitled group of people who are more than capable of education todays youth at a cost that is manageable
A group that will place the students above financial compensation
A group that understands the provinces financial position and be content with an average salary & the summers off
A group that does not insist on Banking sick days , simply because they recognize that as excessive

Hmmm.
Perhaps you have provided the solution to the problem.

BTW if someone can make 90K in 9 1/2 months teaching piano, I would be shocked
You are right out to lunch on salaries
90K for a Masters or PHD usually is accompanied by many years of relevant experience and only in specific fields (computer science, engineering, business)

A PHD in sociology or psychology & a bus token will get you downtown and not much further

Now if you can sell or drive revenue, then 90K is achievable
But natural sales people do not go into teaching to begin with

Right to be fair we have to assume 10 years of experience as that's how long a teacher has to work to get there.

At $70 an hour for a piano teacher.... and the ability to write off part of your home as your business. You could do just fine.

 

[frankcastle]

More competition for your jobs you say
Perhaps there is a more reasonable and less entitled group of people who are more than capable of education todays youth at a cost that is manageable
A group that will place the students above financial compensation
A group that understands the provinces financial position and be content with an average salary & the summers off
A group that does not insist on Banking sick days , simply because they recognize that as excessive

Hmmm.
Perhaps you have provided the solution to the problem.

BTW if someone can make 90K in 9 1/2 months teaching piano, I would be shocked
You are right out to lunch on salaries
90K for a Masters or PHD usually is accompanied by many years of relevant experience and only in specific fields (computer science, engineering, business)

A PHD in sociology or psychology & a bus token will get you downtown and not much further

Now if you can sell or drive revenue, then 90K is achievable
But natural sales people do not go into teaching to begin with

I've heard some teachers get real estate liceneces and do that in the evenings

 

[frankcastle]

IF we are to assume no experience then you have to compare it to the starting salary of a teacher which I think is in the 40s

 

[frankcastle]

At trades person working 8h at 60 an hour for 9.5 months makes 98K
So a piano teacher making 70h could do it if they teach 135 h per month for 9.5 months

 

[frankcastle]

Some could work as SPs at 250 an hour

 

[JohnLarue]

http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Chartered_Accountant/Salary

payrange for chartered accountants is not far off from teachers so a business teacher might have steered themselves in that direction

Point is that I've listed enough viable options that your 1/1000 is far from being accurate.

Comparing yourself to a CA?
Do you any idea what is required to obtain that designation?
Sorry Frank, you are way off base here

You just verified the well know fact that teachers overvalue themselves

Do yourself a favor
Apply for some 90K / year positions, but do not hold your breath waiting for the interview.
If by some miracle you do get one, be sure to inform them that you expect the summer off, a rich pension and you want to bank your 20 sick days per year.

That should be enlightening for all

 

[frankcastle]

More competition for your jobs you say
Perhaps there is a more reasonable and less entitled group of people who are more than capable of education todays youth at a cost that is manageable
A group that will place the students above financial compensation
A group that understands the provinces financial position and be content with an average salary & the summers off
A group that does not insist on Banking sick days , simply because they recognize that as excessive

Hmmm.
Perhaps you have provided the solution to the problem.

BTW if someone can make 90K in 9 1/2 months teaching piano, I would be shocked
You are right out to lunch on salaries
90K for a Masters or PHD usually is accompanied by many years of relevant experience and only in specific fields (computer science, engineering, business)

A PHD in sociology or psychology & a bus token will get you downtown and not much further

Now if you can sell or drive revenue, then 90K is achievable
But natural sales people do not go into teaching to begin with

You have to assume that the competition is not related to the salary..... you have no way of knowing that. In fact the good benefits and salary is probably what attracts those people.

If salaries had not changed I doubt you'd see that many people with good intentions lined up.

 

[frankcastle]

Comparing yourself to a CA?
Do you any idea what is required to obtain that designation?
Sorry Frank, you are way off base here

You just verified the well know fact that teachers overvalue themselves

Do yourself a favor
Apply for some 90K / year positions, but do not hold your breath waiting for the interview.
If by some miracle you do get one, be sure to inform them that you expect the summer off, a rich pension and you want to bank your 20 sick days per year.

That should be enlightening for all

I said a business teacher could have been on the track and steered themselves that way instead of teacher's college and thus become that.

I in no way said all businees teachers or all teachers could be a CA...... so much of your anger is related to you putting words into people's mouths, Go give your english teacher a curb stomp.

 

[JohnLarue]

Right to be fair we have to assume 10 years of experience as that's how long a teacher has to work to get there.

At $70 an hour for a piano teacher.... and the ability to write off part of your home as your business. You could do just fine.

Nobody in the private sector will give you any credit for the 10 years of teaching experience
The only relevant possibility is a corporate trainer and 90K is defiantly not on the table

Again, I suggest you apply , just so that you obtain an better understanding

 

[frankcastle]

Comparing yourself to a CA?
Do you any idea what is required to obtain that designation?
Sorry Frank, you are way off base here

You just verified the well know fact that teachers overvalue themselves

Do yourself a favor
Apply for some 90K / year positions, but do not hold your breath waiting for the interview.
If by some miracle you do get one, be sure to inform them that you expect the summer off, a rich pension and you want to bank your 20 sick days per year.

That should be enlightening for all

Again to be fair you have to say to me go apply for a job, keep it for 10 years and see if you make 90K in the private sector that's a very different and much more plausible and fair comparison to the teacher's 90K which requires 10 years of work plus 5 years of university

 

[frankcastle]

Nobody in the private sector will give you any credit for the 10 years of teaching experience
The only relevant possibility is a corporate trainer and 90K is defiantly not on the table

Again, I suggest you apply , just so that you obtain an better understanding

Fuck you are painfully stupid. I'm not talking about 10 years of teaching experience is credit.

I am saying that we have to talke about a person
1) doing 5 years university
2) applying for a job
3) keeping it for 10 years
4) netting 90K AFTER 10 years

 

[frankcastle]

Fuck you are painfully stupid. I'm not talking about 10 years of teaching experience is credit.

I am saying that we have to talke about a person
1) doing 5 years university
2) applying for a job
3) keeping it for 10 years
4) netting 90K AFTER 10 years

We then have to combine that with taking 1000 people with 5 years of univeristy and less than 1 ends up in that scenario for your statement to be true