Tariffs on Canada delayed for 30 days. Edit: The tariff war has begun.

[boobtoucher]

You're blaming Ford for a national carbon tax ponzi scheme that has compounded the issue of affordability?

Hahha that's funny.

Meanwhile, Liberals are rejecting it after supporting the scheme for a decade.

Your rage is misplaced.

I'm not mad. I'm just stating demonstrable truth.

I am blaming Ford, because Ford forced us into it. Quebec has EARNED 10B from cap and trade., and we're paying.

Results of the February 19, 2025 Québec and California Carbon Markets Auction

QUÉBEC, Feb. 26, 2025 /CNW/ - The results of the 42nd greenhouse gas (GHG) emission units auction held jointly with the California Air Resources Board (CARB) on February 19 were released today. During the sale, 51,466,028 current vintage emission units,...

www.quebec.ca

Carney is pricing carbon differently, and less efficiently, because the Facebook-meme crowd has been conditioned to be mad about carbon tax.

 

[WyattEarp]

Yes, but in a lot of ways Daddy Bush is further left than Kamala. H.W. passed the Clean Air Act (woke), and the Americans with Disabilities Act (DEI). NIXON created the EPA. The Overton window in the US and Canada has shifted right.

Perhaps.
My opinion is that both parties have widened the Overton window. It's hard to find where the center is. I see suburban soccer moms arguing on Facebook about what's good for the country. Of course, they think the other party is the end of the country or at a minimum an existential threat.

Not too long ago, the Republican soccer moms would be happy with moderate Republicans like the Bush family and likewise Democrat soccer moms would support moderate Democrats like Clinton, Gore and so on. I personally don't see soccer moms supporting progressive candidates unless that's there only choice.

Here's an interesting news item that shows the move to the center by a prominent Democrat. I don't think I am being cynical to say this is totally a 2028 political move.

California's Gavin Newsom says trans athletes in female sports 'deeply unfair'

Gavin Newsom faces a backlash from within his party as he agrees with a conservative activist on the cultural issue.

www.bbc.com

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

DOW is now -300 points

 

[WyattEarp]

So you have nothing left to debate with is what you are really saying .... Got it.

Jenesis, don't indirectly champion name-calling.

 

[boobtoucher]

Perhaps.
My opinion is that both parties have widened the Overton window. It's hard to find where the center is. I see suburban soccer moms arguing on Facebook about what's good for the country. Of course, they think the other party is the end of the country or at a minimum existential threat.

Not too long ago, the Republican soccer moms would be happy with moderate Republicans like the Bush family and likewise Democrat soccer moms would support moderate Democrats like Clinton, Gore and so on. I personally don't see soccer moms supporting progressive candidates unless that's there only choice.

Here's an interesting news item that shows the move to the center by a prominent Democrat. I don't think I am being cynical to say this is totally a 2028 political move.

California's Gavin Newsom says trans athletes in female sports 'deeply unfair'

Gavin Newsom faces a backlash from within his party as he agrees with a conservative activist on the cultural issue.

www.bbc.com

Newsome has only ever been a moderate. None of his legislation is anything other than Neo-lib.

Gov. Newsom the moderate? On this spectrum, almost every Democratic legislator is further left

Based on an analysis of the 1,042 bills the governor signed or vetoed this year, Newsom is more moderate than almost any CA Democratic legislator.

calmatters.org

The sports debate is so deeply stupid. If there is a trans athlete competing in your thing, go do your thing somewhere else. Aren't conservatives all about personal responsibility? Let the free market decide which athletic associations to support.

 

[Skoob]

I'm not mad. I'm just stating demonstrable truth.

I am blaming Ford, because Ford forced us into it. Quebec has EARNED 10B from cap and trade., and we're paying.

Results of the February 19, 2025 Québec and California Carbon Markets Auction

QUÉBEC, Feb. 26, 2025 /CNW/ - The results of the 42nd greenhouse gas (GHG) emission units auction held jointly with the California Air Resources Board (CARB) on February 19 were released today. During the sale, 51,466,028 current vintage emission units,...

www.quebec.ca

Carney is pricing carbon differently, and less efficiently, because the Facebook-meme crowd has been conditioned to be mad about carbon tax.

The carbon tax scheme will be gone when Poilievre takes office. The "green" scam is drawing to an end if you hadn't noticed.

Honest question: how much of your residential recycling do you believe actually gets recycled vs the amount of pollution & cost the entire program creates?

 

[jalimon]

I wouldn't compare today's Democrats to 1980-1990 Democrats. You probably don't remember, but Bill Clinton ran and governed as a centrist. It's too simple and gets back to my recent comment about relying on sweeping platitudes.

I have a feeling that Trudeau has governed very differently than Chrétien and even his father.

Today's democrats are as centrist as Clinton was. That is why they always get a great economy. Clinton, Obabama, Biden...

 

[mellowjello]

If one lives in a world where one has to believe the narrative that everything Trump advocates is wrong this decoupling thing is gospel.

If you step away from this rhetoric, you can see the U.S. has been trying to pivot to the Pacific as far back as Obama and perhaps even earlier. In this geopolitical narrative, the U.S. is still a key member of NATO but Europe steps up and keeps Russia in check. The Ukrainian war demonstrates that the Russian military is no longer the major threat to Europe it was several decades ago.

Agreed.

 

[WyattEarp]

Newsome has only ever been a moderate. None of his legislation is anything other than Neo-lib.

Gov. Newsom the moderate? On this spectrum, almost every Democratic legislator is further left

Based on an analysis of the 1,042 bills the governor signed or vetoed this year, Newsom is more moderate than almost any CA Democratic legislator.

calmatters.org

I think you are forcing a point to support your argument. CalMatters is not an objective media outlet which is kind of an obvious point to make. The internet is can be a giant dumpster dive for news and information. You can virtually find some source supporting any point of view.

Moderates do not get elected at the State level in California. They certainly don't get elected Mayor of San Francisco. More to the point, current California policies won't win a national election.

Now what Newsome truly believes is another matter.

The sports debate is so deeply stupid. If there is a trans athlete competing in your thing, go do your thing somewhere else. Aren't conservatives all about personal responsibility? Let the free market decide which athletic associations to support.

I merely mentioned Newsom broke with the progressive perspective. You want to litigate the progressive position here?

 

[danmand]

Some tariffs are absolutely necessary. Canada has a tariff on Chinese EV's

I fail to see how it helps Canadians to be prevented from buying $30,000 Chinese EVs instead of $60,000 Teslas and Japanese EVs.

 

[boobtoucher]

The carbon tax scheme will be gone when Poilievre takes office. The "green" scam is drawing to an end if you hadn't noticed.

Honest question: how much of your residential recycling do you believe actually gets recycled vs the amount of pollution & cost the entire program creates?

Nice Pivot. For me, 60% of household waste is recycled. 40% goes to landfill. It's the commercial/industrial set that fucks it up for the rest of us.

Only 25 per cent of waste is properly recycled in Niagara, expert says

A lot of us do our due diligence in disposing of our garbage: trash in black bags, paper and plastic in blue boxes — and so on. However, at an […]

niagaranow.com

And since we're pivoting:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Opinion_polling_during_the_pre-campaign_period_of_the_45th_Canadian_federal_election.svg

PP hitched his wagon to Maple Maga 8 years ago. We're seeing where that leads in real time. There aren't quite as many Sub-80 IQ individuals in Canada as there are in the US yet.

 

[WyattEarp]

Honest question: how much of your residential recycling do you believe actually gets recycled vs the amount of pollution & cost the entire program creates?

I sense much of U.S. recycling is virtue signaling. I'm not an expert on recycling, but I have heard some materials take more energy to recycle than it would be to produce new material.
Then you get into corporate recycling programs that are merely virtue signaling. You know like a program where the company says "made with recycled materials". Perhaps in reality the recycled materials cost more so the company uses only 10% recyclables to project a positive image.

There are businesses here that pay for cardboard and aluminum cans. If I watched the guys who fish these out of trash to make a buck, I guess I could learn a lot from what they leave behind. Plastic? Glass? Basic paper?

 

[WyattEarp]

I fail to see how it helps Canadians to be prevented from buying $30,000 Chinese EVs instead of $60,000 Teslas and Japanese EVs.

Because some people know the Chinese have direct and indirect subsidies behind the EV industry.

I have read that the Chinese government has pushed EVs for another reason besides export domination. China is not blessed with a lot of petroleum reserves.

 

[richaceg]

Perhaps.
My opinion is that both parties have widened the Overton window. It's hard to find where the center is. I see suburban soccer moms arguing on Facebook about what's good for the country. Of course, they think the other party is the end of the country or at a minimum an existential threat.

Not too long ago, the Republican soccer moms would be happy with moderate Republicans like the Bush family and likewise Democrat soccer moms would support moderate Democrats like Clinton, Gore and so on. I personally don't see soccer moms supporting progressive candidates unless that's there only choice.

Here's an interesting news item that shows the move to the center by a prominent Democrat. I don't think I am being cynical to say this is totally a 2028 political move.

California's Gavin Newsom says trans athletes in female sports 'deeply unfair'

Gavin Newsom faces a backlash from within his party as he agrees with a conservative activist on the cultural issue.

www.bbc.com

Gavin Newsome prepping for his 2028 run and want some "righty" votes...

 

[boobtoucher]

I fail to see how it helps Canadians to be prevented from buying $30,000 Chinese EVs instead of $60,000 Teslas and Japanese EVs.

A robust manufacturing sector IS national security. It's why Trump is coming after our (and Mexico's) auto industry. If you don't have a manufacturing base, you can't pivot to making weapons.

De-powering a country's manufacturing is a wartime strategy.

 

[Jenesis]

Looks like you didnt get it

Oh I got it. It is a useless excuse when someone has nothing left to bring to the table.

 

[WyattEarp]

Today's democrats are as centrist as Clinton was. That is why they always get a great economy. Clinton, Obabama, Biden...

We had a great economy under Reagan and Bush Sr. Are you going to do a Beaver and attach every positive economic event in the last 100 years to a Democrat?

A few years back having to explain economics to him, I had to break it to him that the U.S. was in a recession all through Roosevelt's first two terms. World War 2 brought the U.S. out of the Depression and paved the way for over two decades of relatively uninterrupted prosperity. (psss......the U.S. was the only industrial power not impacted by the war.)

Jalimon, don't try to teach the forum a U.S. economic lesson. Focus on explaining the Trudeau economy 2015-2025. This is the millstone around the Liberals neck.

 

[Jenesis]

Pointless to debate with someone who can only offer name calling and insults to distract from the topic right?

I provided my arguments respectfully because I don't need to distract with name calling.

If someone can't debate the points and has to name call then that's essentially admission that they can't argue.
Which is why I won this one.

Let's all move on shall we.

You didn't win anything. This is the internet sweetie - no one wins.

 

[RZG]

A robust manufacturing sector IS national security. It's why Trump is coming after our (and Mexico's) auto industry. If you don't have a manufacturing base, you can't pivot to making weapons.

De-powering a country's manufacturing is a wartime strategy.

In Detroit just after America entered WW2, a car plant was making tanks in one month. Same with portions of aircraft in other plants, shipped to be assembled. Our government, when it feels like working, has left us open to be fucked over royally.

 

[danmand]

A robust manufacturing sector IS national security. It's why Trump is coming after our (and Mexico's) auto industry. If you don't have a manufacturing base, you can't pivot to making weapons.

De-powering a country's manufacturing is a wartime strategy.

I am not aware that Canada has an EV manufacturing industry.