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cumstainz

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I'll concede that he was right when he said that he loves the poorly educated. Forget elite colleges and private schools and discuss government funded schools. Do you think that the US has a better educational system than Canada? All Ontarian kids get basically the same education. Inner city Phiile, Baltimore, Boston, Buffalo, Detroit, Chicago, Patterson NJ and all of the poor southern states and so many more districts are all under-funded. All of the rural kids work the mines and fields and never get a good education. Those kids will almost never have a chance.

These are the people that voted trump in. Even these people know how to put an "X" beside trump's name. It is not a display of intelligence.



Actually, I am. I have a post-graduate degree and Dr. in front of my name.

You post those laugh emojies after so many of my posts as well as the laugh reactions. You haven't figured out how laughable your comments are. You are laughing at yourself. trump loves the poorly educated.
Translation, blah blah blah blah. Posting you have a dr in front of your name, we're so proud. Lol
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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The point you were trying to make was that Rogers, Bell and Telus are not allowed to operate in the U.S.
If Deutsche Telecom could come to the U.S. and build one of the U.S.' largest carriers, so could a Canadian telecom.

If you actually believe Canada organically has three local telecom companies in an open investment environment, you are not making the connections.
Canada doesn't explicitly prohibit ATT, Verizon and T-Mobile from competing in Canada.
Becoming a Telecom provider involves network infrastructure, spectrum licenses and regulatory approvals which are often very cost prohibitive..
That holds good for both the US and Canada.
As for DT, they did not come to the US organically. They acquired T-Mobile's predecessor several years ago.
So again not sure how this helps your case.
It is not like the US allows laissez faire expansion even amongst the big 3 domestically.
For example mergers are subject to FCC review and conditions.
 

shack

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Translation, blah blah blah blah. Posting you have a dr in front of your name, we're so proud. Lol
Try to keep up with the flow of the conversation. I wasn't bragging. It's not like I originated a thread talking about my education.

But when somebody says that I'm poorly educated, I have the right to show them that they're wrong. That's what that was. Let me know if that's a problem for you.
 

JohnLarue

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The real play here is he wants jobs back from Mexico and Canada, but it's almost impossible to do this.
the tariffs may /may not work
they are likely the stick used to
  1. get attention (he does have an ego)
  2. Get the border secured
  3. wake up the trade partners - we were not ready for a trade war
  4. to be determined- he is unpredictable
His taxation / regulation polices are likely to be far more effective at stealing jobs over the long haul

Here are some back of the envelope # ( nit picking at a value is really a waste of time- its a relative comparison )
Canada (we shall put it first)USA
Total tax burden on workforce (income tax, sales tax, property tax)46.1%24.7%
% of workforce in Govt20.1%13.3%
GDP per capita (USD)53 K81 K
Effective Corporate tax rate15%21%
payroll taxessimilarsimilar
Public debt per capita Federal & Provincial60K (Ontario)104 K

He wants to lower the corporate tax rate (say to 10%), shrink the size of govt (Elon Musk) & eliminate regulation
capital, companies, production and many very bright people will flow from Canada to the USA

while Trudeau / Carney plan to shift the carbon tax onto companies and keep expanding the government/ add new regulations

Like or hate Trump , he is going to change the rules of the competitive game
you may not like musk or be appalled at his methods, however I believe he will shrink their govt

Canadians do not want to become the 51 first state , that is not an option.
so we will need to compete to keep jobs, capital, companies and bright people north of the border

We will lose that game with Trudeau / Carney
We simply can not compete when 1 in 5 members of the work force are employed by govt, the govts grabbing 46% of our earnings and more burdens placed on our companies
the % workforce in govt and tax grab on citizens are unsustainable (insane actually) to begin with and absolutely impossible to be competitive with
 
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shack

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So you have zero examples to share and decided to divert the conversation in an entirely different direction......wait a minute....this is Justin isn't it? I'm going to insist you provide some examples of my spelling mistakes. Put up or shut up as the kids say.....
I did not divert in the slightest. I listed what I believe are common traits of tDSers. You said that none of them applied to you and asked me to show an example, which I clearly did and you could not meet my challenge. I said that you believe everything that trump says, yet you cited zero examples of where you did not believe trump. There was a clear uninterrupted flow to the discussion with no diversion on my part. Now, since you failed, it is you diverting and wanting me to prove something else.

I did put up and you had no examples of where you don't believe trump. You believe everything that he says. Since I put up the first time and you flunked there is no need to put up for you again unless you admit that you do believe everything that trump says. Are you willing to do that? Better yet, you should just admit that the whole list is correct.

Another suggestion is stop trying to outdebate me. You're not doing yourself any favours. Remember, trump said that he loves the poorly educated.
 

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I know you didn't, but I believe that you included a post that he sent to me originally claiming I was poorly educated.

More than 2? Not at all. But I believe that transgender people deserve more rights than right-wingers are willing to give them. BTW, the right to compete against female athletes in sports, is not a right that I agree with. I very strongly disagree.
I wasn't talking about rights....every people no matter what they believe in have rights....all I'm asking you is, do you believe there are only 2 genders....transgender belongs to the gender they were born with...yes or no?
 

WyattEarp

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he did fuck up with this blackmail it seems. Nevertheless…

For a dictator to implement Nazi-like policies—meaning extreme authoritarianism, militarization, suppression of dissent, and potentially genocidal policies—a combination of factors is required, not just raw percentage support. However, historical examples suggest a rough threshold of support needed among key societal groups.
Key Considerations:
1. Elite Support (Military, Police, Bureaucracy, Business, Media)
• A dictator needs the backing of the security forces and administrative machinery. Even with only 30-40% popular support, control over these institutions can allow for oppressive policies.
2. Active Loyalist Base
• In Nazi Germany, the Nazi Party never had a majority in free elections. Hitler came to power with about 33% of the vote in 1932 but later consolidated control by outlawing opposition and using force.
• A dedicated 25-35% of the population providing active ideological and logistical support (militias, informants, enforcers) can make up for lack of majority consent.
3. Passive Acquiescence
• Many citizens don’t need to actively support dictatorship; they just need to tolerate or rationalize it. Fear, propaganda, or economic stability can ensure that even if only 20-30% strongly support the regime, another 40-50% may remain passive, unwilling to resist.
4. Suppression of Opposition
• If opposition is crushed early—through censorship, arrests, and fear tactics—the need for majority support diminishes. If 10-20% of the population is willing to openly resist, but the regime neutralizes them quickly, dictatorship can sustain itself even with minority backing.
Estimated Thresholds for a Nazi-Like Regime

• Hardcore Supporters (Ideologically Committed): ~25-35%


• Passive Acquiescence (Going Along to Avoid Trouble): ~40-50%


• Active Resistance (Willing to Risk Lives to Oppose): <20%

Thus, a dictator could enforce Nazi-like policies with as little as 25-35% committed support, provided the rest of society is neutralized through fear, propaganda, or apathy. Majority approval is not necessary—control over key institutions and suppression of dissent are far more critical.
There was a whole lot more going on in Germany. To make your point, it's important to ignore all these preceding events.

Weak emerging Democracy
Hyperinflation
Great Depression
Massive Unemployment

Germany was buffeted by all of this in about ten years.
 

JohnLarue

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All of them.

Remember that one of the core traits of trump Devotee Syndrome, tDS, is the inability to recognize reality. You can't see what you are. You can't see that your in a cult.

OK, here's a challenge back regarding that list.

If you don't believe everything he says, show us posts where you told us that you believe he's lied. I predict that you have never, ever, ever, ever, never ever, never never claimed that he lied.

By definition, if you say that you don't believe everything he's said, then you must have examples of him lying. Which times were those.

p.s., I hope I didn't keep you waiting very long. That was about 20 minutes, but you can now see that all of traits belong to you.

the very same argument could be made of Trudeau
both are narcissists, both have scandals , both are vindictive ,both can be nasty and both lie
Trump is in your face, Trudeau is putting on his face


Canadians have no say wrt Trump being elected and need to face the reality he is not going anywhere for 4 years
Canadians may still have a say wrt Trudeau/ Trudeau 3.0

if you want to go further
ones a builder of economic value, while the other is hell bent on killing our resource sector.
one understands numbers while the other does not

neither would be a welcome guest at my place.
does that help ?
 
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shack

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I wasn't talking about rights....every people no matter what they believe in have rights....all I'm asking you is, do you believe there are only 2 genders....transgender belongs to the gender they were born with...yes or no?
Last time you asked if I thought that there were more than 2 sexes and I said clearly said "no". Why are you now asking me again the exact same question but with slightly different wording. Was my 1st response unclear or is there some valid reason that I have to answer again?

I talked about rights because I felt your question was a test of whether I was woke or not. I've said that I'm not and gave my reasoning to reaffirm my position. Was there something improper? Did I break some rules?

What point are you trying to make?
 

shack

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the very same argument could be made of Trudeau
both are narcissists, both have scandals , both are vindictive and both can be nasty and both lie


Canadians have no say wrt Trump being elected and need to face the reality he is not going anywhere for 4 years
Canadians may still have a say wrt Trudeau

if you want to go further
ones a builder of economic value, while the other is hell bent on killing our resource sector.
I was stating no opinion on either trump or Trudeau. There was no attempt at comparison either.

Reread my post you quoted and you will see that I was talking about common traits of tDSers, i.e., those afflicted with trump Devotee Syndrome. Not about trump or Trudeau.
 

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As a negotiation tactic, let's charge a %200 tariff on Teslas. And Maybe we get NY state as our 11th province. That's how you negotiate with Donald Dump.
 

WyattEarp

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Canada doesn't explicitly prohibit ATT, Verizon and T-Mobile from competing in Canada.
Becoming a Telecom provider involves network infrastructure, spectrum licenses and regulatory approvals which are often very cost prohibitive..
That holds good for both the US and Canada.
As for DT, they did not come to the US organically. They acquired T-Mobile's predecessor several years ago.
So again not sure how this helps your case.
It is not like the US allows laissez faire expansion even amongst the big 3 domestically.
For example mergers are subject to FCC review and conditions.
You're just making arguments to dismiss what we all see on the ground. We also don't need you to explain the capital requirements of telecom.

The fact that a large market with big capital requirements like the U.S. has a strong foreign-owned competitor demonstrates an open market for foreign investment. The fact that a small market like Canada does not have foreign investment is prima facie evidence that the U.S. telecom market is more open.

As for DT, they did not come to the US organically. They acquired T-Mobile's predecessor several years ago.
So again not sure how this helps your case.
I didn't make an argument that the U.S. has a big foreign competitor organically. I basically said Canada's big three telecoms were not organically established without the help of a closed market.

On the matter of a foreign competitor buying a business or assets, it is an effective way to enter a market. It doesn't preclude organic growth. T-Mobile had 7 million subscribers when Deutsche Bank acquired it. Today T-Mobile has 130 million subscribers.

It is not like the US allows laissez faire expansion even amongst the big 3 domestically. For example mergers are subject to FCC review and conditions.
This is a curious case of whataboutism. The U.S. has direct foreign investment in our telecom sector. Canada does not. Of course, telecom mergers and expansions are regulated in the U.S. like they are everywhere.
 
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