Sweden says its coronavirus approach has worked. The numbers show a different story

[lenny2]

If there is no vaccine within the next 5 to 10 years, then herd immunity is the only way to go, and Sweden will have a huge head start on the rest of the world.

The most valid comparison of Sweden is with their 3 Nordic neighbours. Sweden's strategy has not gone well. Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours combined who mandated shutdowns. While Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. It seems lockdowns were the superior choice .

As of October 17:

Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677

 

[doggystyle99]

I have actually repeatedly said its too early to say whether Sweden is a success story or not

Except for your repetitive posts falsely claiming Sweden has already reached herd immunity based on false assumptions meanwhile all the scientific data proves otherwise
And your other posts claiming Sweden is doing better than some of the worst effected countries as in proof of their success.
Then there is also this whole thread you started with the title "Sweden model deemed a success"

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/sweden-model-deemed-a-success.723536/page-5#post-6863561

But yes other than the above posts or claims by you now all of a sudden you claim "it's too early to say whether Sweden is a success story or not"

Let me repeat what I have kept saying Sweden's model was a failure when they started it in April, it was a failure when some people were claiming they are nearing herd immunity in the end of May, it was a failure when they had reduced the rate of transmission in July and August per population to a comparable measure to other Nordic countries Denmark, Finland, and Norway
and it is a failure now when they are seeing a significantly higher rate of transmission than those countries and it will be in the future as the measures they have taken as a whole does not limit the rate of transmission to as small as possible like in other countries, which is something I've tried to explain to you numerous times without success.

 

[doggystyle99]

Except for all those posts where you were praising their plan and claiming they had achieved herd immunity.

Amongst many things which Phil hasn't been able to understand, and what he didn't understand then or now is how herd immunity works, herd immunity is based on how prevalent the spread of the virus is in a community, the numerous times he has claimed Sweden had reached herd immunity the rate of transmission at best was only comparable to those Nordic bordering countries such as Denmark, Finland, and Norway. At the current moment and over the last few weeks the rate of transmission in Sweden is significantly higher than those countries.

 

[doggystyle99]

Yeah, if Canada or GB or even France had employed Sweden's failure of a strategy they'd be far worse off now. Thankfully many people in the former three wore masks & cooperated with the shutdowns.

Many at the beginning were saying herd immunity in Sweden will be achieved by May then that idea went kaputs, and their new slogan was along the lines of Sweden's September and future will be like other countries April or May and none have been true as Sweden has been an utter failure all along.
What a lot of people do not understand is Sweden's strategy of not having mandates of social distancing, masks or shutdowns and putting the onus on the people to do the right thing for the greater good of the society can only work in a very small number of countries, Canada is certainly not one of them, it would have substantially more devastating effects than it does in Sweden, look in Ontario we have mandates and although a small % but still a significant % are still breaking the guidelines.
Even with the spike in cases Denmark has seen, in comparison to Sweden they are still recording roughly 50% of cases and deaths per population than Sweden and that number is significantly lower for Norway and Finland.

In the last 14 days of reporting cases in Sweden they have broken their daily high number of cases multiple times with substantial % increases

Oct 30--------4,056--------New Highest daily total
Oct 31--------2,987
Nov 1---------1,298
Nov 2---------1,570
Nov 3---------3,610
Nov 4---------4,485--------New highest daily total
Nov 5---------4,746--------New highest daily total
Nov 6---------4,456
Nov 7---------4,460
Nov 8---------2,116
Nov 9---------3,741
Nov 10-------4,561
Nov 11-------5,764--------New highest daily total
Nov 12-------4,519

The 7 day average in Sweden from September 1 - November 12 has seed an increase of more than 25X

Sept 1--------162
Nov 12-------4,231

 

[TeeJay]

In the last 14 days of reporting cases in Sweden they have broken their daily high number of cases multiple times with substantial % increases

Finland has also broken their highest totals to date and has instituted quarantines (lockdowns) in 3 major districts as well as banned all island travel
I am sure Norway is similar

It all boils down to do you want a lockdown that does not work or be more like Sweden and keep some semblance of normalcy

 

[MindJohn]

A true statistician would recognize that Sweden's dumb response to Covid isn't even fully or fairly measured by the snowballing numbers just cited here.

For Sweden has known the statistically unfair land-border lockdown through little or no fault of its own.


Sweden's do-nothing-and-let-it-ride methods could only be fairly measured IF it were beside friendly countries with wide-open land borders.

The numbers that Sweden produces now are restricted by the actions of other governments, and have nothing to do with Sweden's own unique response.


Call it a de facto border closure.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Except for your repetitive posts falsely claiming Sweden has already reached herd immunity based on false assumptions meanwhile all the scientific data proves otherwise
And your other posts claiming Sweden is doing better than some of the worst effected countries as in proof of their success.
Then there is also this whole thread you started with the title "Sweden model deemed a success"

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/sweden-model-deemed-a-success.723536/page-5#post-6863561

But yes other than the above posts or claims by you now all of a sudden you claim "it's too early to say whether Sweden is a success story or not"

You are clearly not paying attention to my posts.
Read this: https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/some-masks-better-than-others.726027/post-6861747

But then reading comprehension has always been your problem, eh doggy

 

[doggystyle99]

You are clearly not paying attention to my posts.
Read this: https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/some-masks-better-than-others.726027/post-6861747

But then reading comprehension has always been your problem, eh doggy

Do not pay much to all your nonsense posts in many different threads usually contradicting yourself. No one has that much available free time.

Reality is the number of daily cases in Sweden has been steadily rising since the beginning of September and skyrocketing since 3rd week of October which is what I’ve been telling you all along.
You just willfully ignored these facts and finally 3 months later you are admitting to Sweden being in a 2nd wave.

Your admittance on them being in a 2nd wave even shows your false assessment on Sweden having reached herd immunity already more asinine which was based on your false made up facts.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Do not pay much to all your nonsense posts in many different threads usually contradicting yourself. No one has that much available free time.

Reality is the number of daily cases in Sweden has been steadily rising since the beginning of September and skyrocketing since 3rd week of October which is what I’ve been telling you all along.
You just willfully ignored these facts and finally 3 months later you are admitting to Sweden being in a 2nd wave.

Your admittance on them being in a 2nd wave even shows your false assessment on Sweden having reached herd immunity already more asinine which was based on your false made up facts.

And your belief that masks are making a difference in Ontario is even more asinine.

Record number of new cases yesterday, 1,581.

If this keep up Ontario will shut down soon again

 

[Fun For All]

And your belief that masks are making a difference in Ontario is even more asinine.

Record number of new cases yesterday, 1,581.

If this keep up Ontario will shut down soon again

I've been doing all the Public Health recommendations since March...physical distancing, no crowds of people, washing hands, wearing a mask...and it's now November, we'e never gotten out of it since March, it's now hitting record highs of cases with no end in sight...

I was hoping all the restrictions we have lived with would pay off a little more than it has.

 

[doggystyle99]

And your belief that masks are making a difference in Ontario is even more asinine.

Record number of new cases yesterday, 1,581.

If this keep up Ontario will shut down soon again. So what makes our strategy is so much better than Sweden??

No it’s common sense and knowledge of the scientific data which you have very little understanding of.
Absolutely masks make a difference in Ontario and everywhere they are being used, you’re just oblivious to the facts.

Sweden with a population 2/3 of Ontario is seeing record number of cases that are almost 4X higher than Ontario, when it’s adjusted for per population it’s even substantially higher.

Sweden
Nov 11————5,764
Ontario
Nov 12————1,563

Now if it wasn’t for a small but a significant bunch of Covidiots we’d be doing much better in Ontario compared to Sweden.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

No it’s common sense and knowledge of the scientific data which you have very little understanding of.
Absolutely masks make a difference in Ontario and everywhere they are being used, you’re just oblivious to the facts

Thats not what the CDC found: https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/1...ity-of-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-masks/

And now suddenly they have flipflopped and claim masks are making a difference: https://www.airdrietoday.com/lifest...sk-could-keep-you-from-catching-virus-2877680

And these are the experts you put your faith in??

 

[doggystyle99]

Thats not what the CDC found: https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/1...ity-of-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-masks/

And now suddenly they have flipflopped and claim masks are making a difference: https://www.airdrietoday.com/lifest...sk-could-keep-you-from-catching-virus-2877680

And these are the experts you put your faith in??

How convenient for you to delete the rest of the post showing the difference between Sweden and Ontario

Sweden
Nov 11————5,764
Ontario
Nov 12————1,563

Sweden with a population 2/3 of Ontario is seeing record number of cases that are almost 4X higher than Ontario, when it’s adjusted for per population it’s even substantially higher.

Now if it wasn’t for a small but a significant bunch of Covidiots we’d be doing much better in Ontario compared to Sweden.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I've been doing all the Public Health recommendations since March...physical distancing, no crowds of people, washing hands, wearing a mask...and it's now November, we'e never gotten out of it since March, it's now hitting record highs of cases with no end in sight...

I was hoping all the restrictions we have lived with would pay off a little more than it has

Same here. The only things that are gonna make a difference are social distancing (especially on buses, subways...etc), washing hands at home, washing hand with sanitizers at stores and if worse comes to worse, a total lockdown to flatten the curve again

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

How convenient for you to delete the rest of the post showing the difference between Sweden and Ontario

Sweden
Nov 11————5,764
Ontario
Nov 12————1,563

Sweden with a population 2/3 of Ontario is seeing record number of cases that are almost 4X higher than Ontario, when it’s adjusted for per population it’s even substantially higher.

Now if it wasn’t for a small but a significant bunch of Covidiots we’d be doing much better in Ontario compared to Sweden.

A few weeks is too small of a sample size.

Try again

 

[Primetime21]

Sweden has admitted they fucked up

Sweden has admitted its coronavirus immunity predictions were wrong as cases soar across the country

Sweden's chief epidemiologist has acknowledged the country is experiencing a second wave of the coronavirus as COVID-19 cases and deaths surge.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[lenny2]

Finland has also broken their highest totals to date and has instituted quarantines (lockdowns) in 3 major districts as well as banned all island travel
I am sure Norway is similar

It all boils down to do you want a lockdown that does not work or be more like Sweden and keep some semblance of normalcy

The most valid comparison of Sweden is with their 3 Nordic neighbours. Sweden's strategy has not gone well. Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours combined who mandated shutdowns. While Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. It seems lockdowns were the superior choice .

As of October 17:

Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677

 

[lenny2]

And your belief that masks are making a difference in Ontario is even more asinine.

Record number of new cases yesterday, 1,581.

McNasty's opinion that "masks don't do shit" exposed, refuted & proven wrong yet again:

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/why-most-masks-dont-work.726027/page-20#post-6857110

Common sense & scientific evidence reveals that masks save lives.

Wear a mask. The life you save may be your own.

 

[doggystyle99]

Finland has also broken their highest totals to date and has instituted quarantines (lockdowns) in 3 major districts as well as banned all island travel
I am sure Norway is similar

It all boils down to do you want a lockdown that does not work or be more like Sweden and keep some semblance of normalcy

You are as clueless as it gets.
Even with the highest daily total cases Finland is seeing, it's still a small fraction in comparison to the highest daily total cases Sweden is seeing.
It's not even comparable and this was with Finland being just as open as Sweden before instituting shutdowns again.
What's worse is it's already been proven that Sweden's policy of keeping non essential businesses open saw roughly a similar amount of contraction of their economy as some other Nordic bordering neighbour countries who instituted shutdowns of non essential businesses. With the main difference being many more cases and deaths in Sweden.

-----------------------------------------------------------Finland-----------------------Sweden
Highest daily case-----------------------------412 Nov 8-------------------5,764 Nov 11
Highest daily cases/Mln--------------------74/Mln-----------------------569/Mln

By your estimation policies that are seeing at their worst 8X less number of cases are policies that do not work.
I am not even going to compare the shutdowns VS keeping non essential businesses open because the numbers are substantially different proving shutdowns work.

 

[lenny2]

Thats not what the CDC found: https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/1...ity-of-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-masks/

As i told you before already that article is misleading & to read this:

Mask use does not increase risk of COVID-19 as viral social media posts claim

One key observation in the study was that cases were more than twice as likely as controls to have been to a restaurant in the 14 days before symptoms appeared. This was in spite of the fact that most cases reported wearing a mask. COVID-19 mainly spreads by respiratory droplets that are...

healthfeedback.org

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/why-most-masks-dont-work.726027/page-22#post-6861857

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/some-masks-better-than-others.726027/page-24#post-6863544

And now suddenly they have flipflopped and claim masks are making a difference: https://www.airdrietoday.com/lifest...sk-could-keep-you-from-catching-virus-2877680

And these are the experts you put your faith in??

Thankfully we didn't have amateurs like you who didn't even know what "herd immunity" means running the show. How much worse off we'd be now! If the covidiots, hoax advocates, conspiracy nut jobs, C-19's existence deniers, or anti extreme safety measures (lockdowns, masks, etc) people were in charge we'd have over 10 million dead already instead of a small fraction of that.

To err is human. Only God gets it right 100% of the time.

"this is the process intelligent people follow.

When there is new information, or the understanding of a situation evolves, intelligent people modify their opinions and advice. AKA "change their minds.

Others who are threatened by their own fear and insecurity that they may be wrong, doggedly stick to their original position and find excuses to justify
their inability to learn from new information."

"Unfortunately ignorant, loud and irrational people can not understand or interpret these facts properly because they are blinded by their own selfish wants/gains or guided by their political agenda."