Sweden says its coronavirus approach has worked. The numbers show a different story

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Sweden has admitted they fucked up

And yet they're sticking to their strategy so not to fuck up their economy and mental health of their citizens:


Second wave, same strategy: Swedish COVID-19 czar defiant despite surge

Sweden remains steadfast in its strategy of voluntary measures and no lockdowns, the architect of its unorthodox COVID-19 response said on Friday, as the country battles a growing second wave of a disease that has now killed more than 6,000 Swedes.

The Nordic nation of 10 million people, whose soft-touch approach to combating the virus has drawn worldwide attention - and harsh domestic criticism from some - has seen a surge in the number of cases, hospitalisations and deaths in recent weeks.

At 5,990, the number of new cases reported on Friday was the highest since the start of the pandemic. A further 42 deaths were also recorded, the most for around three months.

The strategy, however, will not change.

“No, we will keep on this path,” Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told Reuters in a telephone interview on Friday. “This is how we work in Sweden. We have big understanding for this and a huge adherence to the rules.”

In contrast to many other countries, Sweden has kept schools, restaurants and other businesses open throughout the pandemic. Instead, it has focused on voluntary measures aimed at promoting social distancing and good hygiene, such as working from home if possible, avoiding public transport and crowded indoor activities.


The approach has drawn both criticism and praise. Tegnell’s frequent press conferences have attracted big television audiences. Several people have had his face tattooed on their bodies and t-shirts saying “In Tegnell we trust” can be spotted on the streets of Stockholm.

Not everyone agrees, however, and Tegnell has even received death threats from people accusing him of pursuing a reckless policy.

While Sweden’s death rate per capita is lower than in countries such as Spain and Britain, it is more than 10 times higher than neighbouring Norway and almost five times higher than in Denmark.

In an open letter published in the daily Aftonbladet newspaper on Friday, 27 Swedish scientists and doctors warned the country could soon approach the sort of numbers in intensive care seen in the spring and called on party leaders to override the Health Agency and introduce tougher restrictions.


Sweden has recorded 485 cases per 100,000 people in the latest two-week period, roughly the same as Britain but just more than half that of France.

Tegnell played down the criticism and said the recent lockdowns in Europe, which for the most part have been less strict than those in the spring, showed there was less of a difference in approaches to fighting the virus now.

“Most countries are now trying to do it a bit more like we have done in Sweden. Almost no one is closing schools now, for instance,” he said. “We have also learned a lot (from others), like doing targeted recommendations for different regions.”

Sweden is one of few countries in Europe that does not recommend or demand masks outside hospitals and care facilities. Tegnell said he had yet to see any good studies in favour of masks, despite it being recommended by the European Centre for Disease Control and many other health bodies.

“It’s fascinating how few studies there are on this,” he said. “And if you look at the countries with a strict rules for wearing masks, it’s difficult to see that they have fared well.”
 

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And yet they're sticking to their strategy so not to fuck up their economy and mental health of their citizens:


Second wave, same strategy: Swedish COVID-19 czar defiant despite surge
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Yeah, because 4th worst in Europe isn't good enough?

p.s. their economy is just as fucked as everyone elses.
 
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"Face mask sales soar as Swedes eye potential guideline change":
https://ca.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN25R22Q

"Sweden is shutting down bars and restaurants where people defied social distancing guidelines":

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-closing-bars-that-defied-social-distancing-guidelines-2020-4

"Sweden toughens up restrictions as coronavirus cases rise...
On Monday, it announced that public gatherings of more than eight people were no longer allowed...


“This is the new norm for the entire society,” Lofven told a news conference, Reuters reported. “Don’t go to gyms, don’t go to libraries, don’t host dinners. Cancel.”

...Sweden advised the public to practice good personal hygiene, social distancing and to work from home if possible.

... last week it announced that alcohol sales in bars and restaurants after 10 p.m. would be banned from Nov. 20.

...the death rate per capita in Sweden is several times higher than that of its Nordic neighbors
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/17/swe...irus-rules-as-infections-and-deaths-rise.html

"Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours (Norway, Finland, Denmark) combined while Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. Clearly hard lockdowns, as occurred in those 3 nations, were the superior choice to Sweden's soft voluntary isolation approach.

Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677"
 

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Amazing that some people thought and some still think measures opposite to the scientific data would have a different result than what was predicted.

"Sweden has unveiled tougher restrictions to fight coronavirus as Europe’s outlier on Covid-19 is forced to step up measures to fight the virus as it faces surging numbers of cases and deaths.

Warning that the situation was “going to get worse”, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Monday the limit on public gatherings in Sweden would be cut from 50 people to eight.
“It is a clear and sharp signal to every person in our country as to what applies in the future. Don’t go to the gym, don’t go the library, don’t have dinner out, don’t have parties — cancel!” Mr Lofven told a press conference.

Sweden has stood out from the rest of Europe by refusing to order a legal lockdown and instead preferring to rely on recommendations to people to wash their hands, keep a distance, and work from home.

The country’s health authorities said in the spring that Sweden was unlikely to be hit by a second wave as it suffered more deaths than its Nordic neighbours in the first wave. But Sweden’s cases per capita, hospitalisations and deaths are all increasing rapidly now.

"Sweden’s cases per capita are currently 10 times higher than Finland and four times higher than Norway. Last week, the rate at which people were being admitted into hospital was growing faster in Sweden than any other European country. And after several months of relatively low numbers of deaths, Sweden reported more than 100 in three days last week."

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Yup. Sweden's method has clearly been a failure. No wonder they're changing tactics.
 

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Number of confirmed reported cases in Sweden the last 14 days

Nov 6----------4,454
Nov 7----------4,453
Nov 8----------2,098
Nov 9----------3,727
Nov 10--------4,500
Nov 11--------5,711--------New highest daily total
Nov 12--------5,570
Nov 13--------6,737--------New Highest daily total
Nov 14--------3,515
Nov 15--------1,582
Nov 16--------2,547
Nov 17--------4,460
Nov 18--------4,960
Nov 19--------6,243


The 7 day average in Sweden from September 1 - November 19

Sept 1--------162
Nov 19-------4,292
 
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Whats this, basketcase??

It's proof how idiotic your claim about Sweden having herd immunity is. It also shows that Sweden's realized all those things you praised about their response weren't working.

p.s. try reading that sentence about their economy in full. They quite clearly talk about "recovery" which means their economy has been fucked.
p.p.s. there is actual data on Sweden's economy that you could try to use as evidence. Of course if you looked at those you'd find Sweden's Q2 GDP was down over 8%.
 

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Ahaha
Doggy must be crying (here doggy where are you?)

Sweden is CRUSHING it against their Nordic neighbours in past month

Notice the colour coding for those who do not like numbers

Sweden -61.01% decrease over past 7 days
Finland +62.5% increase over past 7 days
Norway +88.89% increase over past 7 days

As a matter of fact Finland & Norway have worst increases in any Euro country (Greece & Serbia area is only place even close)
 

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Ahaha
Doggy must be crying (here doggy where are you?)

Sweden is CRUSHING it against their Nordic neighbours in past month

Notice the colour coding for those who do not like numbers

Sweden -61.01% decrease over past 7 days
Finland +62.5% increase over past 7 days
Norway +88.89% increase over past 7 days

As a matter of fact Finland & Norway have worst increases in any Euro country (Greece & Serbia area is only place even close)
So Sweden's new strategy of being more in lockdown mode is working, is it, eh ;

"Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours (Norway, Finland, Denmark) combined while Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. Clearly hard lockdowns, as occurred in those 3 nations, were the superior choice to Sweden's soft voluntary isolation approach.

Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677"
 
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Ahaha
Doggy must be crying (here doggy where are you?)

Sweden is CRUSHING it against their Nordic neighbours in past month

Notice the colour coding for those who do not like numbers

Sweden -61.01% decrease over past 7 days
Finland +62.5% increase over past 7 days
Norway +88.89% increase over past 7 days

As a matter of fact Finland & Norway have worst increases in any Euro country (Greece & Serbia area is only place even close)
Oh TeeJay where do I start with you, as your obliviousness has no boundaries. We can add inability to properly read and understand charts to the skills you lack.
Your understanding of the numbers are incorrect, I am not going to explain to you why your numbers are wrong because I know you can not figure it on your own and if you do it will take days.

Here are the actual 7 day rolling average of the number of cases

---------------------Nov 17--------Nov 24
Sweden--------4,302----------4,776----------472 cases/Million
Finland---------220-------------378-------------68 cases/Million
Norway---------604-------------514------------95 cases/Million

Then there is also the very small difference in the number of cases and cases/Million each country is seeing when going by your "Stable Genius" standards. It's so small that someone like you looks at it and doesn't even realize it. :ROFLMAO:



Sweden new numb unnamed.jpg Sweden numbers unnamed.jpg

 

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Ahaha
Doggy must be crying (here doggy where are you?)

Sweden is CRUSHING it against their Nordic neighbours in past month
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And shitting the bed when compared to Canada.

BTW. have you actually looked at the numbers?

7 day averages based on the last days available:
Sweden: Population 10 million: 3012 new cases per day, 12 deaths per day
Norway: Population 5 million: 437 new cases, 3 deaths
Finland Population 6 million: 427 new cases, 3 deaths
Denmark Population 6 million: 1266 new cases, 7 new deaths.

Yes, Sweden is crushing it, but not in the good way.
 

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Speaking of Swedish, "Swedish Dicks" is playing on Netflix.
 
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And shitting the bed when compared to Canada.

BTW. have you actually looked at the numbers?

7 day averages based on the last days available:
Sweden: Population 10 million: 3012 new cases per day, 12 deaths per day
Norway: Population 5 million: 437 new cases, 3 deaths
Finland Population 6 million: 427 new cases, 3 deaths
Denmark Population 6 million: 1266 new cases, 7 new deaths.

Yes, Sweden is crushing it, but not in the good way.
Sweden's 7 day rolling average has been over 4,000 since November 10th, as of November 26th which is the last day Sweden reported confirmed daily cases of 5,464 for the previous day, their 7 day rolling average was 4,781.

They do not report cases and deaths on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, and spend the rest of the week adjusting and re adjusting the reported numbers for those days. It's a complete failure also in regards to testing which has been like this since June.
 
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"You can't compare 3 countries that share borders, have nearly identical genetics and similar climates. Look it up fella Sweden is way, way different. It has those big cities and stuff like that. 88% of Sweden's population lives in cities!!! You look at Denmark, only 88% of their population lives in cities, Finland has only 86% and fukk Norway they have 83%. Those country's average ages are way, way far apart too, anywhere from 39-41, give or take.

To be fair, Sweden should be compared to Slovenia or San Marino, they at least start with the letter S, plus those countries all have weather.


I'm tired of all you people trying to compare Sweden to countries that are almost a mile away. I know math and stuff and I built a model ('66 Shelby GT350) that says the opposite of whatever the fukk you say. Plus I worked at the CBOE.

What's with the U in neighbors too fella? Who spells like that?"

 

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Number of confirmed reported cases in Sweden the last 14 days

Nov 6----------4,454
Nov 7----------4,453
Nov 8----------2,098
Nov 9----------3,727
Nov 10--------4,500
Nov 11--------5,711--------New highest daily total
Nov 12--------5,570
Nov 13--------6,737--------New Highest daily total
Nov 14--------3,515
Nov 15--------1,582
Nov 16--------2,547
Nov 17--------4,460
Nov 18--------4,960
Nov 19--------6,243


The 7 day average in Sweden from September 1 - November 19

Sept 1--------162
Nov 19-------4,292
Useless without a comparison of the number of tests per day.
 

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Cases Smayshes.

What are the EXCESS deaths?

What are the bankruptcies and LIVES AND LIFE SAVINGS OF BUSINESS OWNERS RUINED?

What debt has been created that will result in lower standards of living ( and health care spending in the future- excess deaths in the FUTURE) going forward?
 
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