These posts keep getting further and further from reality. You told us to look at the case numbers when masks were mandated in Ontario and they clearly show a massive drop at that time.
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His statement is far more realistic than your claim that Sweden had herd immunity.
Maybe you should take a look at their daily case graph. their peak in June was just under 1700 cases. Nov 4 was almost 4500.
Whats this??
CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks
Over 70 percent of the case-patients who were contaminated with the virus fell ill despite "always" wearing a mask.
thefederalist.com
No they dont. Our 2nd wave in Ontario is much worse. Masks clearly arent making any difference
I'll tell you what, this is the only thing I will admit to.
It does appear that Sweden is getting hit by a 2nd wave and that herd immunity hasnt been achieved yet. But the rest of Europe is also experiencing a much worse 2nd wave, so its still too early into the pandemic to see if Sweden had the right or wrong approach
No they dont. Our 2nd wave in Ontario is much worse. Masks clearly arent making any difference
I didn't state there is no second wave in Ontario. And the OP is about masks not working while the present subtopic is regarding your ridiculous & false claim that a rise in Ontario infections proves masks don't work.
That's like the dumbness of saying a rise in any one place at any time in deaths from bicycle or motor cycle accidents proves that brakes & helmets don't work.
That's like the stupidity of saying a rise in any one place at any time in STIs from sexual activities proves that safe sex and condoms don't work.
That's like the ignorance & faulty logic of saying a rise in any one place at any time in deaths from motor vehicle accidents proves that seat belts & airbags don't work.
The fact is without those safety measures, just like without masks, the number of deaths would be even worse, even higher.
Show me official stats that oppose the view i stated:
As for infections increasing in the fall in many places, this was predicted by health experts as schools reopened, more people went back to work, more went indoors in cold weather to closer quarters in rooms often with poor ventilation. The varying rates of covidiocy, irresponsibility & lockdown fatigue are among other factors (e.g. Thanksgiving gatherings) that affect the number of infections. Without masks, whose effectiveness is scientifically supported, the fall infections increase would be way worse.
You have no evidence that covidiocy, or any number of factors working together, didn't cause the rise in infections in the fall. Did the rise in infections just happen for no reason? Is that your argument? Like i said:
As for infections increasing in the fall in many places, this was predicted by health experts as schools reopened, more people went back to work, more went indoors in cold weather to closer quarters in rooms often with poor ventilation. The varying rates of covidiocy, irresponsibility & lockdown fatigue are among other factors (e.g. Thanksgiving gatherings) that affect the number of infections. Without masks, whose effectiveness is scientifically supported, the fall infections increase would be way worse.
Who wears masks at home? As i quoted:
"The cold in northern parts of America will push people back inside, where the virus has a much easier time spreading than the outdoors."
So all it takes for infections to rise is people spending more time indoors. Have people been doing that? With the start of the NFL season were more people staying home to watch the games?
If people acting less safely didn't cause the increase in infections, then in your view what caused the increase in infections? What else could be the cause of an increase in infections? Did they just increase by magic or hocus pocus or ghosts or something? LOL. You keep avoiding answering this line of questioning. Why is that? Is it starting to dawn on you how ridiculous your alleged proof that "masks don't work" (because infections went up) is?
If infections going up proves masks don't work, then shouldn't you conclude that when infections have gone down it proves that masks do work? This also exposes how ridiculous your alleged "proof" is.
Logical fallacy. You keep making the same error repeatedly. And repeatedly not getting it.Record high 1,050 new cases today, while testing has dropped. But yeah masks are working great.....LOL
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No one ever claimed masks will stop a rise in infections even when people are behaving more dangerously.
What did you expect would happen when people act in ways that increase their risk for infections? Of course the number of infections will go up.
Do you think the number of infections just go up for no reason? By magic, or something? LOL.
"Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada"
"... This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of Ontario. Mask mandates are associated with a 25% or larger weekly reduction in new COVID-19 cases in July and August, relative to the absence of mandates.
Face mask mandates slowed the spread of COVID-19 in Canada
The mandatory wearing of face masks remains a contentious policy issue during the COVID-19 pandemic. This column evaluates the impact of mask mandates on the spread of COVID-19 in Canada, using the different timings that masks were mandated across the 34 health districts of the province of...
voxeu.org
Further re this topic:
That's a misleading article. See:Whats this??
CDC Study Finds Overwhelming Majority Of People Getting Coronavirus Wore Masks
Over 70 percent of the case-patients who were contaminated with the virus fell ill despite "always" wearing a mask.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/1...ity-of-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-masks/
Mask use does not increase risk of COVID-19 as viral social media posts claim
One key observation in the study was that cases were more than twice as likely as controls to have been to a restaurant in the 14 days before symptoms appeared. This was in spite of the fact that most cases reported wearing a mask. COVID-19 mainly spreads by respiratory droplets that are...
healthfeedback.org
Nice try, but the CDC study is quite clearThat's a misleading article. See:
Mask use does not increase risk of COVID-19 as viral social media posts claim
One key observation in the study was that cases were more than twice as likely as controls to have been to a restaurant in the 14 days before symptoms appeared. This was in spite of the fact that most cases reported wearing a mask. COVID-19 mainly spreads by respiratory droplets that are...
Nonsense. I doubt you even read the article i posted only a few minutes ago.
Let alone have a comprehensive sensible reply to it. Assuming you would even comprehend its points.
Clear about what? Your article was misleading.
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