Sugar Dating Experience

[Leimonis]

I like to work less and make more money because i'm not an idiot.

Being a sugar baby was fun. It was a lot of fun actually, and I had a really good time but I was actually losing money by going out with these people and spending all evening with them. I had to focus more on the business side of things

sugar forums on Reddit have been consistently suggesting that a fair pay for a “meet” which is maybe 3hr or so is a quarter of monthly rent. In other words if an SB has four meets a month her rent is paid.
now in Toronto rent is $2000-2400 so a fair pay seems to be 500-600.
so if a SB has three daddies who see her weekly she makes more than 6 grand a month and pays zero tax. And she’s being fed three times a week for what that’s worth.
This is equivalent to a gross salary of what, $90-100k?
And also she knows all her daddies so her risks of any kind of bad date are minimized.
I don’t know if I would call it losing money. I don’t know how they move to any legitimate job after that really because that seems hard to beat.
Of course if you are comfortable fucking whoever comes through the door (nothing wrong with it and may the heavens blessings be with you and others who ply that trade) your math may well be different and I can see how you consider it a time waste.

come to think of it I consider time spent being out with women who I don’t get to fuck to be a complete waste. All attempts to charge me for meets and greets because it “spending time with a young, good looking woman” just gets me roll my eyes.

 

[shack]

No, absolutely.I am I prefer shorter appointments for more money absolutely.

Who wants to put in more work for less pay? That's

Yeah, absolutely.I'm a pro I prefer shorter appointments for more money.

Working harder for less pay is counterintuitive.
Sugar babies aren't selling sex but they are selling emotional labor and that's my least favorite thing to give away.

Everyone has a niche.And i'm not saying it's a bad thing. As far as kinks go I think this one is the cutest, because people who like sugar, babies are kind of the most genuine. They're not married and I can appreciate that. They just want to have a good time and share it with someone. I'm somewhere in between i don't like quick shallow transactions, but I don't like lawn drawn out shallow relationships. They can be very shallow. You never really let each other in too much. You never introduced that person to anyone important, so it is what it is but it's pretty close to a relationship with none of the bad parts and only good stuff. I used to say all the time that my sugar daddies treated me better than my boyfriend.

A lot of people who like sugar, babies talk a lot of c*** about professionals
But your sugar baby is also a professional. It's still a transaction. If you're not showing her a good time and buying her the things on her wish list, she wouldn't be talking to you.

Just because she gives you the illusion that you're not really paying for it doesn't mean that people you do have to pay for are less than.

Your sugar baby is still a prostitute.She just pretends to not be a prostitute. She works harder for less money.

I like to work less and make more money because i'm not an idiot.

Being a sugar baby was fun. It was a lot of fun actually, and I had a really good time but I was actually losing money by going out with these people and spending all evening with them. I had to focus more on the business side of things

I'm not really interested in what makes a better way for you to make money. That's your choice.

But when you declare that anyone who'd like sex with a more personal touch is "lonely", then you are talking like a pro and dissing people who don't want to be on the clock with a pro. That's a pretty broad brush that you're painting with.

 

[shack]

come to think of it I consider time spent being out with women who I don’t get to fuck to be a complete waste. All attempts to charge me for meets and greets because it “spending time with a young, good looking woman” just gets me roll my eyes.

I love when they talk about what their time is worth. Does she make casual acquaintances pay for her time as well?

 

[Leimonis]

I love when they talk about what their time is worth. Does she make casual acquaintances pay for her time as well?

Or when she comes to a job interview is she being paid for her time?

 

[SinnamonFairbanks]

I deleted my comments just because I have better things to do than argue with people on the internet. Sometimes I forget this is an incel community and it's not really an open discussion but its just a pity party and a constant attack on women. My mistake

Have fun!

 

[shack]

Sometimes I forget this is an incel community and it's not really an open discussion but its just a pity party and a constant attack on women. My mistake

Sometimes you forget that this is a forum for guys and here you are insulting the people whose income you depend on. It doesn't sound like a very smart thing to do. You didn't just insult me, you insulted all of us.

And it was an open discussion. The problem is that you immediately take offense when someone presents an alternative but valid opinion. Different people have different tastes and I simply stated that. But anyone with my tastes and everybody else who sees SBs are lonely AKA losers.

You should think a little bit more about what you post before you post it and remember that it is all guys reading your posts, not other women or SPs. Men do not think the same as women and you're not going to change that.

You're welcome and the advice is free......this time. Do you give introductory offers for newbies?

 

[farquhar]

I really can't understand the difference between an SB and an SP for the life of me no matter how much I read this thread.

There is a girl on LeoList I have seen four times now. I asked for an Outcall and I paid her $600 for 2 hours of time two weeks ago; I took her out to Dinner at a Sushi Place (she likes sushi, I paid for it), and then we went to a nearby Hotel to fuck our brains out.

SB just sounds like an Independent Escort with more steps. The fact that SBs want to be paid for a meet & greet in order to "interview" you before you get to fuck her is the equivalent of having to screen yourself with an SP with Photo ID or an E-mail Money Transfer (but worse) which a lot of guys on this board abhor.

Maybe I'm just fucking stupid. At the end of day, regardless if the woman is a civilian, an SB, or an SP, you do end up having to "pay" for sex in some way, shape, or form. At least with an SP it's more direct.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

I really can't understand the difference between an SB and an SP for the life of me no matter how much I read this thread.

There is a girl on LeoList I have seen four times now. I asked for an Outcall and I paid her $600 for 2 hours of time two weeks ago; I took her out to Dinner at a Sushi Place (she likes sushi, I paid for it), and then we went to a nearby Hotel to fuck our brains out.

SB just sounds like an Independent Escort with more steps. The fact that SBs want to be paid for a meet & greet in order to "interview" you before you get to fuck her is the equivalent of having to screen yourself with an SP with Photo ID or an E-mail Money Transfer (but worse) which a lot of guys on this board abhor.

Maybe I'm just fucking stupid. At the end of day, regardless if the woman is a civilian, an SB, or an SP, you do end up having to "pay" for sex in some way, shape, or form. At least with an SP it's more direct.

No farquharing difference.

 

[dchoye]

I deleted my comments just because I have better things to do than argue with people on the internet. Sometimes I forget this is an incel community and it's not really an open discussion but its just a pity party and a constant attack on women. My mistake

Have fun!

i didnt take your original comments as insulting and I wish you didnt delete it.
Just because Shack felt negative to your comment that doesnt reflect the same reactions from all of us
There is grain of truth what you wrote , that some of us are lonely and would like to spend more time and develop a connection besides sex
I rather spend the day / whole evening with a SB then be the next one in line and spend a hour with a SP

I don't think you should paint all of us as a "incels community" just because of a disagreement with one poster
Incels are crazies that are openly hostile and dont want to have sex with women
I been told by SPs that many clients /posters treat SPs better than their previous BF

 

[jsanchez]

I really can't understand the difference between an SB and an SP for the life of me no matter how much I read this thread.

There is a girl on LeoList I have seen four times now. I asked for an Outcall and I paid her $600 for 2 hours of time two weeks ago; I took her out to Dinner at a Sushi Place (she likes sushi, I paid for it), and then we went to a nearby Hotel to fuck our brains out.

SB just sounds like an Independent Escort with more steps. The fact that SBs want to be paid for a meet & greet in order to "interview" you before you get to fuck her is the equivalent of having to screen yourself with an SP with Photo ID or an E-mail Money Transfer (but worse) which a lot of guys on this board abhor.

Maybe I'm just fucking stupid. At the end of day, regardless if the woman is a civilian, an SB, or an SP, you do end up having to "pay" for sex in some way, shape, or form. At least with an SP it's more direct.

It's a different flavor of prostitution, I call them sex workers who don't want to be called sex workers.

 

[jsanchez]

I deleted my comments just because I have better things to do than argue with people on the internet. Sometimes I forget this is an incel community and it's not really an open discussion but its just a pity party and a constant attack on women. My mistake

Have fun!

I agreed with some of your comments except the incel statement, I even clicked like lol

A lot of men on here have ex's or SO's and are in it for the sex variety and the thrill or have boring sex lives,
incels on the other hand are a different breed that's bubbling over with hatred of women in general
and that I hope you'd never have to deal with.

 

[Leimonis]

I agreed with some of your comments except the incel statement, I even clicked like lol

A lot of men on here have ex's or SO's and are in it for the sex variety and the thrill or have boring sex lives,
incels on the other hand are a different breed that's bubbling over with hatred of women in general
and that I hope you'd never have to deal with.

The term “incel” (short for “involuntary celibate”) generally refers to someone who wants to have romantic or sexual relationships but struggles to do so. While the stereotype is of single men, it’s possible for a married person to identify as an incel if they feel trapped in a sexless or emotionally unfulfilling marriage.

Some people in long-term relationships or marriages experience involuntary celibacy due to factors like:

• A sexless marriage (one partner refuses intimacy)

• Emotional or physical neglect

• A partner’s medical or psychological conditions

• Relationship breakdown but staying together for financial or family reasons

However, the broader incel community often focuses on lack of access to relationships in the first place, so married individuals don’t typically identify with or get included in the mainstream incel discourse.

 

[jsanchez]

The term “incel” (short for “involuntary celibate”) generally refers to someone who wants to have romantic or sexual relationships but struggles to do so. While the stereotype is of single men, it’s possible for a married person to identify as an incel if they feel trapped in a sexless or emotionally unfulfilling marriage.

Some people in long-term relationships or marriages experience involuntary celibacy due to factors like:

• A sexless marriage (one partner refuses intimacy)

• Emotional or physical neglect

• A partner’s medical or psychological conditions

• Relationship breakdown but staying together for financial or family reasons

However, the broader incel community often focuses on lack of access to relationships in the first place, so married individuals don’t typically identify with or get included in the mainstream incel discourse.

Agree, I was only referring to the narrower stereotype of the single man who can't get sex and hates women because of that, think Alek Minassian or Elliot Rodger,
I assumed that's what she thought of this community but I could be wrong.

 

[xix]

I agree with @Leimonis and @jsanchez comments.

There are two types of incels from their comments and been here long enough.

Single Incel. - Mainly described a man but a woman too.
Married Incel. Mainly described a man but a woman too.

I know a guy who is a single celibate by choice but can talk and meet women easily - no hate towards them - and I have seen women make moves on him. But he doesn't want a relationship - pays for sex - because of many reasons like all of us here.

 

[Leimonis]

I know a guy who is a single celibate by choice but can talk and meet women easily - no hate towards them - and I have seen women make moves on him. But he doesn't want a relationship - pays for sex - because of many reasons like all of us here.

I hope we all agree that this guy is not an incel though because he is hardly celibate as he has sex albeit paid for, but even more importantly, his situation is not involuntary.

 

[shack]

I don't think you should paint all of us as a "incels community" just because of a disagreement with one poster

That's the point of my second post. She resents all of the men here because I presented a different opinion. She does not accept anyone's opinion but her own. She is doing herself and her business no favours with such a defensive attitude. When she talks about an open discussion, it means only hers' counts. My response to her original post was actually quite mild.

 

[shack]

i didnt take your original comments as insulting and I wish you didnt delete it.

Don't worry. I believe that I quoted it.

Do you think that when she said that guys that want a SB are because they are "lonely" was a compliment? She may not have intended it as a diss, but it sure reads that way.

 

[dchoye]

Don't worry. I believe that I quoted it.

Do you think that when she said that guys that want a SB are because they are "lonely" was a compliment? She may not have intended it as a diss, but it sure reads that way.

I don’t take it as a compliment nor a negative comment.
We all have degrees of lonely feelings
Why are we looking for girls when we could be masturbating or have sex with our wife/GF ?
For me it is disconnect with my SO and getting tired of solo sex
We all need connection. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Yes, the comment was insensitive coming from a pro SP who monopolize on turnstile clients but why do you care?
You found SB who want to spend 4 hours or longer with you and not watch the clock.
This is an escorts forum. Not a SB forum
Escorts are trained to watch the time closely and boot you out when next client is ready
Im not surprised by the comment
I think being called a “time waster” is more of a diss then being called “lonely”

 

[GeeBee]

I really can't understand the difference between an SB and an SP for the life of me no matter how much I read this thread.

There is a girl on LeoList I have seen four times now. I asked for an Outcall and I paid her $600 for 2 hours of time two weeks ago; I took her out to Dinner at a Sushi Place (she likes sushi, I paid for it), and then we went to a nearby Hotel to fuck our brains out.

SB just sounds like an Independent Escort with more steps. The fact that SBs want to be paid for a meet & greet in order to "interview" you before you get to fuck her is the equivalent of having to screen yourself with an SP with Photo ID or an E-mail Money Transfer (but worse) which a lot of guys on this board abhor.

Maybe I'm just fucking stupid. At the end of day, regardless if the woman is a civilian, an SB, or an SP, you do end up having to "pay" for sex in some way, shape, or form. At least with an SP it's more direct.

Agreed, it’s all sex work. And it’s cool that you and the LL SP had a good time eating and fucking.

The only thing I’d point out is that most SB’s don’t demand the stupid $$ for a meet end greet nonsense, and most of the guys into Sugar Babes won’t be interested in girls who do. If thats the case then you’d might as well go with an SP, no question.

To me the difference between SP’s and SB’s is that the screening goes both ways with an SB. You can usually meet an SB up front for a coffee or a drink and essentially screen each other. You can see the girl in person, see if her pic’s are accurate, get a feeling for her personality, and in many cases openly talk about her sexual likes and limits, and all it costs is some time and a Starbucks. Many legitimate SB’s are also happy have a video conversation before you meet.

With a SP it’s more of a gamble. Yes great reviews from fellow pooners give reassurance, but the guy is the one who gets screened, not the girl. You’re not going to see the the girl in person, or even talk to her, until $$ changes hands. And you might even be asked for a deposit before hand.

 

[inmyname]

I've had to keep all of my encounters very discrete because of my SO and situation.
They message their expectations and you tell them yours.
First meetings for me have almost all involved intimacy right away except for maybe 2, which turned into intimacy the next time we met.
I usually message back and forth off the site, we flirt for a bit and trade normal pics (sometimes nude).
When messaging off the site, I feel like you get a better inclination of what they're into, if they're really real or not, etc.
And yes, to your point, there is definitely too good to be true out there - as in scammers.

I had one bad experience that went way past my better judgment but I won't get into it in the public forum. It was my fault for going along with it but I felt so stupid and it was almost a very dangerous situation. Actually it was dangerous.

Rule #1: If they only have one photo, no matter how real or attractive, do not engage.

Where do you usually meet them for intimacy? Your place or theirs or a hotel?