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blackrock13

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I found a set of used tires without rims on them. Been used for 1 season. Is there anything in particular I should look at since they are not on rims and should I get them? thx
It's iffy. The tires may have been used for one years but how old are they? Tires sitting on the self deteriorate even if they're not used, but check for cracks inside and out and examine the bead for improper mounting.
 

papasmerf

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This is a good thing to do if you want to spin out and have an accident. You never want to have more traction on the front axle than the rear. Otherwise if you hit ice in a curve your rear end will break loose first and pull out and pass the front end. Not good. Winter tires should be replaced in groups of 4 but, if you must put 2 on, put them on the rear axle, even if your car is front wheel drive. This is kind of dumb so put 4 on.

On a front wheel drive vehicle the rear tires provide no traction. What you are thinking about is lateral stability. If you have thread worthy tires on the rear you will have no problems. Unless of course you decide to be stupid.
 

blackrock13

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I am going to be honest here. I don't see the point to winter tires. I have no problem with winter driving at all. Never been in or close to an accident because of winter conditions. I have read what is written but if you don't have a problem stopping and going, then really what difference does the 25% make. I brake fine. Even in emergency situations.

So someone please help me with this. I drive alot! I have to in this business. I drive everywhere from Airport - Peterborough. Different road conitions, traffic conditions, etc. I know my car and how it handles, what it can and can't do. I am a woman but I know how long my front end is and how short my back end is. I don't have to try 4 times to pull out of a parking spot when I could have done in one shot {I hate those Walmart chicks with the mini-vans that don't know the size of their vans!}

So everyone is all hyped about winter tires and I am the bad person who won't buy them. If I know my car, know how to probably drive in winter and have all season tires, plus a 4X4 vehicle, why do I need winter tires? Please note, it is not the cost that stops me from buying them. I really just don't see the need. I am not one of those who end up in a ditch.
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Think of 25% as two car lengths.

You may drive fine, but others don't, believe me and someday one of them will not be able to stop at a light or at a bottom of a hill. You want everything in your corner for those emergency situation, it may save your life. Just think of why is it that every ambulance, fire truck and police car have winter tires on them. Do you think they know something you don't. This comes from someone who used to put on 40,000 a year for 10+ in all kinds of weather.
 

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On a front wheel drive vehicle the rear tires provide no traction. What you are thinking about is lateral stability. If you have thread worthy tires on the rear you will have no problems. Unless of course you decide to be stupid.
It is still called traction even if you are using it for lateral loads rather than longitudinal loads (braking or acceleration). And you are very, very wrong about the rear tires. All season tires are much harder than winter tires. They offer less traction at any given temperature and will break loose before a winter tire will. It is unsafe to have winters on the front and all seasons or summers on the rear as you never want the back end of car to loose traction before the front. That is a guaranteed spin.
 

blackrock13

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On a front wheel drive vehicle the rear tires provide no traction. What you are thinking about is lateral stability. If you have thread worthy tires on the rear you will have no problems. Unless of course you decide to be stupid.
........... but the rear tires do offer breaking power. Four snows are the only way to go. Four on and then four off at the time to change them.
 

nottyboi

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This is actually dangerous and is not recommended by any vehicle manufacturer. Put them on all four wheels always.
it used to be exremely dangerous... but with stability assist, it is less dangerous... still not ideal. Get 4 tires.
 

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On a front wheel drive vehicle the rear tires provide no traction. What you are thinking about is lateral stability. If you have thread worthy tires on the rear you will have no problems. Unless of course you decide to be stupid.
Your car will suffer from severe oversteer in snow... if you think the average driver has the skills of Michael Schumacher...then that would be fine.
 

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plus a 4X4 vehicle, why do I need winter tires?
You have 4 wheel drive, which is great to help you get going, but does nothing to help you get stopped. That's why you see so many 4wd's in the ditch.

If you have a new vehicle, and you plan on owning it for 4 years, and you average 30k a year, then most likely you'll have to replace the all seasons anyways. So why not buy winters in the first place. Just makes sense to me.
 

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I don't know if your a car guy or not but it's also very easy to change them over yourself every season and only takes about an hour. If you do, buy a cheap floor jack for $100 as it speeds things up a ton over using the shitty OEM jack that comes in most cars. If you know what your looking for it also lets you take a quick look at your brakes, shocks etc twice a year. Just make sure you mark which wheel goes on what corner when you change them back again.
 

blackrock13

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You have 4 wheel drive, which is great to help you get going, but does nothing to help you get stopped. That's why you see so many 4wd's in the ditch.

If you have a new vehicle, and you plan on owning it for 4 years, and you average 30k a year, then most likely you'll have to replace the all seasons anyways. So why not buy winters in the first place. Just makes sense to me.
Somebody gets it. Most people don't realize that in a panic stop one thing to do to help you stop in a shorter distance is to put the gears in neutral. Try it out someday on a lonely road or empty parking lot.
 

wpgguy

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You have 4 wheel drive, which is great to help you get going, but does nothing to help you get stopped. That's why you see so many 4wd's in the ditch.

If you have a new vehicle, and you plan on owning it for 4 years, and you average 30k a year, then most likely you'll have to replace the all seasons anyways. So why not buy winters in the first place. Just makes sense to me.
100% correct on the 4wd, does nothing for stopping distance.
 

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Somebody gets it. Most people don't realize that in a panic stop one thing to do to help you stop in a shorter distance is to put the gears in neutral. Try it out someday on a lonely road or empty parking lot.
Works fantastic.
 

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........... but the rear tires do offer breaking power. Four snows are the only way to go. Four on and then four off at the time to change them.
To tell ya the truth boys I live in Buffalo and have owned various vesicles from sub-compacts to 4 wheel drives I have not put snows on in 25 years.

A decent set of highway tires plow my driveway.
 

blackrock13

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I don't know if your a car guy or not but it's also very easy to change them over yourself every season and only takes about an hour. If you do, buy a cheap floor jack for $100 as it speeds things up a ton over using the shitty OEM jack that comes in most cars. If you know what your looking for it also lets you take a quick look at your brakes, shocks etc twice a year. Just make sure you mark which wheel goes on what corner when you change them back again.
The only thing you miss this way is balancing the wheels before you use them. I might not do it on every switch over, but as you drive tread wears and you will improve wear on them if you balance the tires regularly. Try to remember if you've hit a curb or a pot hole and make a note for next time.
 

blackrock13

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To tell ya the truth boys I live in Buffalo and have owned various vesicles from sub-compacts to 4 wheel drives I have not put snows on in 25 years.

A decent set of highway tires plow my driveway.
You certainly get more snow than we do and have had good luck. Or maybe it's a case of everyone around you saying f**k it's PS, stay out of his way. (insert smylie here)
 

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I am going to be honest here. I don't see the point to winter tires. I have no problem with winter driving at all. Never been in or close to an accident because of winter conditions. I have read what is written but if you don't have a problem stopping and going, then really what difference does the 25% make. I brake fine. Even in emergency situations.

So someone please help me with this. I drive alot! I have to in this business. I drive everywhere from Airport - Peterborough. Different road conitions, traffic conditions, etc. I know my car and how it handles, what it can and can't do. I am a woman but I know how long my front end is and how short my back end is. I don't have to try 4 times to pull out of a parking spot when I could have done in one shot {I hate those Walmart chicks with the mini-vans that don't know the size of their vans!}

So everyone is all hyped about Winter tires and I am the bad person who won't buy them. If I know my car, know how to probably drive in winter and have all season tires, plus a 4X4 vehicle, why do I need winter tires? Please note, it is not the cost that stops me from buying them. I really just don't see the need. I am not one of those who end up in a ditch.
I used to think like that as well, until I tried them...they are so much better. When you add to the fact that driving on the right tire is either free, or may SAVE you money...then it's really a no brainer.
 

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In TOTAL agreement here

To tell ya the truth boys I live in Buffalo and have owned various vesicles from sub-compacts to 4 wheel drives I have not put snows on in 25 years.

A decent set of highway tires plow my driveway.
+1 !!!

Have to laugh a bit at this thread....
Also another Buffalo area resident reporting in, who has NOT used snow tires in over 25 yrs. The burbs out here plow the roads well. Have no need for snows at all. Decent good tires have served me well to date.
FWIW prior to moving back to the burbs I did use snows while living inside the Buffalo city limits for the few years living there. Buffalo city does not plow their side streets well and snows were a necessity then.

BTW in all that time have NOT had a single snow related accident...
 

blackrock13

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+1 !!!

Have to laugh a bit at this thread....
Also another Buffalo area resident reporting in, who has NOT used snow tires in over 25 yrs. The burbs out here plow the roads well. Have no need for snows at all. Decent good tires have served me well to date.
FWIW prior to moving back to the burbs I did use snows while living inside the Buffalo city limits for the few years living there. Buffalo city does not plow their side streets well and snows were a necessity then.

BTW in all that time have NOT had a single snow related accident...
I didn't know that you could get snow tires for bicycles.

It isn't always snow that's the problem. When the temperature drops below 7c (~45 F), the seasonal tires start loosing traction.
 
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