Seeing SP off the clock
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some sp's would indeed charge 100 for each hour of time spent having dinner and drinks. believe it or not. they'll call it 'companionship' regardless if its spent in terms of physical intimacy. they'll think of it as 'rented friendship' or therapeutic time for the client or simply just as her time is money.
its like if you go to a mechanic and ask him to evaluate a car you want to buy. he'll charge you by the time he spent evaluating a car and checking it out for you and giving you an estimated measure of how much its worth in cash. he will charge you for his time. regardless of if you were talking about Rob Ford with him or the car you're looking at. his time is measured by the clock. regardless of what you're doing with his time.
If I had the money, this would be a plus to my ego just to be seen in public with a hot woman.
Downside is I'm soft and immature on the inside and would find myself falling in love too easily, if I spent too much time outside of the paid for service.
Downside is I'm soft and immature on the inside and would find myself falling in love too easily, if I spent too much time outside of the paid for service.
yikes, basically the same thread that has hit PERB in the past week or two. Said it there, will say it here, never, never, never pay for social time. If she likes you and wants to grab a drink or a bite, it ought to be just that. Pick up the tab, but paying for social time is a suckers game.
Do you expect just every woman to be grateful for a date with you?
SP's offer an experience that doesn't say no. Why would you expect that to be free?
In real life you have to work to get a date, then work to make her happy, and even if you do your real life date may decide you are not what she wants.
Would you be OK with you SP giving off the same attitude that she would on a real date? You may say yes, but I still bet no.
You are getting a "safe" experience with a guaranteed outcome. That is what you are paying for. If you want a real date offer free dinners on PoF, you will get one that comes with no guarantee.
If the man expects a guarantee of sex at the end of it, then it is a paid date. Otherwise, I can walk away.
Very well said.
Very well said.
Not at all, in fact, many of the SPs I see, I wouldn't want to spend time with, and likely wouldn't want to hang out socially with me either. The connection isn't there, or she has an SO etc. I have no problem with that. When I do click with someone, and we want to have a drink before a session or after, it's because of the connection, not because I am paying her. Paying her to be there doesn't cut it, and can create a level of expectation and entitlement in the lady that truly is ugly and unattractive. Not saying I have the connection with many, but when it does happen, it's worth pursuing, off the clock. Stand by my comment, paying for social time is a suckers game.
I wouldn't take an sp that felt entitled to get her 'regular rate' out on a social date. Why pay upwards of $200 - $250 per hour to have dinner with a woman? There are dozens of women - probably in your own neighbourhood - who would go out with a guy and try to show him a good time just for the bargain of a free meal. Most girls I have met in my life will at least suck you (if not fuck you) in exchange for a meal. Hell, most women nowadays will become upset if the man refuses sex on a first date. Women offer up pussy for next to nothing these days. It almost gets annoying to some degree in terms of how easy it is to get sex from civilian ladies - a tangent, I know.
Anyways, no girl is that good. I repeat - no girl is great enough to warrant being paid to eat a meal with you. In fact, most of the 'courtesan' ladies are less stellar than the straight 'action' ladies that never venture outside the incall unit. I wouldn't even pay $400 to take Audrey Bitoni out on a dinner date - even if the dinner date was 2 hours long. I mean, is watching and talking to a hot woman during a meal that valuable? Why not just watch some free Youtube videos of hot and sexy ladies eating their meals all within the comfort of your own home? Just play make-believe and imagine you are sitting across from them. Talk to yourself if it adds to the mood in your own perception.
Some of these courtesan ladies charge $400 or more for dates and there are actually guys that are willing to pay it. Forget being able to pay it - that is a different story. But there are guys who have that kind of dough and are WILLING to let the girl bring down the guy's own standing by agreeing to such terms. In any business dealing, no sane and good business man would hurt his standing so much by begging to pay a huge amount of money for something of little consequence. But when the beauty of a woman is involved, some guys just get mushy in the head and forget every ounce of reason they have learned in their adulthood.
And just to let you know, the same courtesan that is charging you $400 an hour to eat dinner with her will go out with some other guy the next week for free (without charging this next guy) and might even end up picking up his dinner tab too. Do you want to know why? Because the second guy didn't lower his standing by agreeing to such bullshit terms in the beginning. If you present yourself as worthless to a woman, she will view you that way.
Begging a lady to eat with you and offering to pay her hundreds of dollars for her time while she does it is absoultely absurd. She will not respect you and you will not get anywhere with her by doing so.
Anyways, no girl is that good. I repeat - no girl is great enough to warrant being paid to eat a meal with you. In fact, most of the 'courtesan' ladies are less stellar than the straight 'action' ladies that never venture outside the incall unit. I wouldn't even pay $400 to take Audrey Bitoni out on a dinner date - even if the dinner date was 2 hours long. I mean, is watching and talking to a hot woman during a meal that valuable? Why not just watch some free Youtube videos of hot and sexy ladies eating their meals all within the comfort of your own home? Just play make-believe and imagine you are sitting across from them. Talk to yourself if it adds to the mood in your own perception.
Some of these courtesan ladies charge $400 or more for dates and there are actually guys that are willing to pay it. Forget being able to pay it - that is a different story. But there are guys who have that kind of dough and are WILLING to let the girl bring down the guy's own standing by agreeing to such terms. In any business dealing, no sane and good business man would hurt his standing so much by begging to pay a huge amount of money for something of little consequence. But when the beauty of a woman is involved, some guys just get mushy in the head and forget every ounce of reason they have learned in their adulthood.
And just to let you know, the same courtesan that is charging you $400 an hour to eat dinner with her will go out with some other guy the next week for free (without charging this next guy) and might even end up picking up his dinner tab too. Do you want to know why? Because the second guy didn't lower his standing by agreeing to such bullshit terms in the beginning. If you present yourself as worthless to a woman, she will view you that way.
Begging a lady to eat with you and offering to pay her hundreds of dollars for her time while she does it is absoultely absurd. She will not respect you and you will not get anywhere with her by doing so.
It's like hearing Charlie Sheen pay $10,000 a day for an escort. I think to myself - WTF? I can take the best girl in Toronto out for dinner for the price of the meal - around $60 - and nothing else. This lady doesn't charge me anything to be with her outside of her place. Then, afterwards, if we want to conduct business, her normal rates apply. So, in total, for less than $500 (including the cost of the meal), I have a great night out - 3 hours - and then a great night-cap of 2 hours, all for about 5% of what Sheen pays for girls not even half as beautiful as the lady I spend time with. It makes me feel bad for him, but laugh at him too. And don't kid yourself. It has nothing to do with exclusivity or paying extra money to keep confidentiality - many star clients get outed every year, despite paying $10,000 or more to these girls and agencies. I know of many ladies in the $200 - $250 in Toronto that could show more consideration to Charlie Sheen than the sps he seems to hire. Just makes me shake my head in disbelief.
If you want to date an sp, be good to her and treat her like your real girlfriend. No, I am not telling you to force the relationship upon her or stalk the hell out of her and 'creep' her out. I am saying that you shoud do things for her and be kind to her without expecting the guarantee of sex in return - just like you would a civilian lady you are trying to court. Spend time with her and if you have to, spend money on her; but don't go for the sex each and everytime. In other words, take it slow and play it 'cool'.
Most importantly, if you are rejected by a lady you are interested in, don't get offended and start acting angry and 'creepy'. One way to really attract a woman is to take rejection by her with a smile - women (even seasoned sps) are attracted to a man who exudes quiet confidence. If you go the other root and become a 'creepy' stalker after being rejected by an sp, I guarantee you - unless you have just met Karla Homolka in a new line of work - that you won't be getting very far with that particular SP in the long run.
If you want to date an sp, be good to her and treat her like your real girlfriend. No, I am not telling you to force the relationship upon her or stalk the hell out of her and 'creep' her out. I am saying that you shoud do things for her and be kind to her without expecting the guarantee of sex in return - just like you would a civilian lady you are trying to court. Spend time with her and if you have to, spend money on her; but don't go for the sex each and everytime. In other words, take it slow and play it 'cool'.
Most importantly, if you are rejected by a lady you are interested in, don't get offended and start acting angry and 'creepy'. One way to really attract a woman is to take rejection by her with a smile - women (even seasoned sps) are attracted to a man who exudes quiet confidence. If you go the other root and become a 'creepy' stalker after being rejected by an sp, I guarantee you - unless you have just met Karla Homolka in a new line of work - that you won't be getting very far with that particular SP in the long run.
“Gabriella” sees her gentlemen friends, lovers and patrons “on the clock”.
I see my personal friends, family members and acquaintances during my own (free) time.
She talks about her time as if she feels impositioned by the man's attention - as if she is a sex slave that is forced to do such activity. As if she gets nothing from the relationship - in all its entirety - at all.
The most skilled sps know that there is a give and take and that they can enjoy themselves if they want to instead of looking at it as a disgusting hassle to be avoided at all costs.
The SP didn't do herself any good by posting what she did. I would never book with someone with such an attitude. I applaud her honesty, but seriously, who the hell would want to be with someone who always felt the debt clock should be counting?
I see my personal friends, family members and acquaintances during my own (free) time.
She talks about her time as if she feels impositioned by the man's attention - as if she is a sex slave that is forced to do such activity. As if she gets nothing from the relationship - in all its entirety - at all.
The most skilled sps know that there is a give and take and that they can enjoy themselves if they want to instead of looking at it as a disgusting hassle to be avoided at all costs.
The SP didn't do herself any good by posting what she did. I would never book with someone with such an attitude. I applaud her honesty, but seriously, who the hell would want to be with someone who always felt the debt clock should be counting?
OMG this whole thread is ridiculous !!! Off the clock. is up to the to the couple involved. and nobody else's f--ken business. Does it happen, appsolutely!
In fact I have one regular sp, who's offered to pay for supper a few times.
In fact I have one regular sp, who's offered to pay for supper a few times.
Careful about your word usage there, gentleman. Most sps are younger and many of them speak English as a second language. Hence, by using the word 'supper', you might confuse the young ladies as to what you are after when asking them out
This is an escort review board and we are escorts. Why the confusion?
With that said, I have made friends with clients outside of the biz and it can be fun. I've met some very interesting people. But one of the problems is when a guy I am not interested in expects me to see him 'off the clock'. Why should I? It may sound harsh or mean but would any guys on this board spend time with a woman who they had no interest in? I should not be made to feel that I am obligated to do so.
I actually do enjoy it sometimes and have good times/nice dinners, etc. The problem is even when I enjoy it, I simply don't always have the time. I should not be neglecting friends, family, and other things in my life that are important.
And with that said, I have spent time with men off the clock. (No sex) So much time in fact that I realized I was ignoring paying clients and not meeting my financial goals. I am an escort. Sadly, some guys just don't get it.
With that said, I have made friends with clients outside of the biz and it can be fun. I've met some very interesting people. But one of the problems is when a guy I am not interested in expects me to see him 'off the clock'. Why should I? It may sound harsh or mean but would any guys on this board spend time with a woman who they had no interest in? I should not be made to feel that I am obligated to do so.
I actually do enjoy it sometimes and have good times/nice dinners, etc. The problem is even when I enjoy it, I simply don't always have the time. I should not be neglecting friends, family, and other things in my life that are important.
And with that said, I have spent time with men off the clock. (No sex) So much time in fact that I realized I was ignoring paying clients and not meeting my financial goals. I am an escort. Sadly, some guys just don't get it.
Very well said. Well reasoned too.
Of note, I spend alot of time with my wife, so to your point about 'would any guys on this board spend time with a woman who they had no interest in?', well.....enough said. Wives drive the hobby the most of any influence out there. If my wife was a decent person, I would never had started this hobby.
I completely agree. I am not adverse to it but it becomes a problem when it's expected and I feel pressured. If there were 40 days in a month and 30 hours in a day, sure. But I cannot do it now - like everyone else, I have bills to pay. :frown: And a life outside of the biz. Not a very exciting one, LOL, but still.
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Oh please get over it! Gabriella is simply stating that she is a paid companion period!
And yes our time is precious as yours is...
BJ
