Seeing SP off the clock

[swanky]

I saw one of my regulars again on the weekend. She usually works the evening hours so I contacted her around lunchtime to see when she'll be starting. She texted me back and said that I can be her first appointment at 6. I suggested that we may be grab a light supper together and she agreed. I picked her up at her apartment at 4 and went to a nice Italian restaurant. As usual she ordered couples of drinks and the conversation got lively. She started to flirt with me and few subtle PDA ensued.

Now hear me out here. This was time spent off the clock but it's obvious that she was being entertained and she was reciprocating by making me feel desirable. In some sense, this is no different than what happens in the bedroom. She moans and coos as if you were Don Draper (sorry Don, I mean the one from Madmen). I'm fine with this, and I don't suffer any lasting delusion about the fact that she's playing the part of a courtesan. In this sense, yes she deserves to be paid for this service.

I asked her why she wants to spend time off clock with me. She was very candid in saying that she loved being treated like a princess where she felt comfortable ordering as many drinks as she wanted and ordering anything off the menu. She said she's more reserved about what she orders when she's on a real date. Yes she could have worked those hours and made more money than what I had spent on the meal, but then she feels that she's spending her hard earned money instead of being treated. The psychology of these things doesn't always follow logic.

I never loose sight of the fact that the playtime is work for her and although I have met her for just lunch once, I have my good manners to know that you should always mix pleasure and business with a courtesan.

 

[Medman52]

it's as though once you pay for play, you will never have a chance to possibly build anything more than just pay for play with these specific sp's. It will from then on, always be business.

I can confirm this is true.

 

[swanky]

+1
So True.

 

[oldjones]

I was wondering what your experience has been with seeing SPs off the clock. Sometime when I hit it off, they are willing to go have dinner or drinks off the clock. In fact, I have one regular who always insists that I take her out for a nice dinner and then go back to her place for an hour session. She doesn't charge me for the time spent outside of the bedroom. Other ladies insist on charging their regular rate regardless of whether it's in or out of the bed. I know it's all business but I feel a little odd that I should have to pay the same rate when I'm the one entertaining, especially if they like to drink. Can you share your experience?

But she does charge for the time out of her schedule while you're dining? You are getting a half-price deal (which you didn't have to accept) and you clearly have decided it works for you both.

Nothing wrong with the lady offering additional escort services, like dinner companionship, at whatever price she chooses. (There's logic to it being the regular rate). You're free to decline if it doesn't appeal to you. You are also free to point out you'll be buying the meal and drinks and negociate some sort of quid pro quo. She's not shy about what her companionship is worth, what's holding you back? Absent any give and take, just politely decline her sales-pitch and invitiation, and say you'll stick to the present arrangement.

Just don't imagine dinner with you is any more off the clock than any supplier dining with any client. Would you really rather she priced dinner into her rate?

 

[mrsCALoki]

I think I'll cast Olivia Munn:

for mrsCALoki in the movie version, since they're both partially Chinese.

Who would portray Loki?

???????

Oh she sort of looks like me

For Loki:

Brian Dennehy?

http://http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/BrianDennehyJul2009.jpg

but 14 years younger since Brian is 74

 

[bobistheowl]

Oh she sort of looks like me

For Loki:

Brian Dennehy?

http://http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/BrianDennehyJul2009.jpg

but 14 years younger since Brian is 74

Sixty-ish Brian Dennehy:

 

[Furo]

I have on a few occasions, really clicked with an SP and ended up seeing them outside of their "work" and ended up semi-dating them. Sure, I paid for drinks and sometimes dinner but it always ended up in the bedroom at no charge. Am I alone here? I told a friend of mine about this and he asked if I provided her with a BFE? Haha!

 

[MissCroft]

Some SP went on a dinner call, did the hotel room visit after and then got stiffed as the guy claimed he did did not realize it was a bought/paid for encounter.

Klute

I believe that was me. I started a thread about it last year...was a bit of a rant, LOL. The client is paying for the SP's time - if she chooses to spend some extra time with you outside of the appointment, that is her decision and should not be expected. That is why many SPs have dinner date rates.

 

[MissCroft]

ultimately it is up to the provider how she spends her free time.


also that she is not losing business else where.

Yes and Yes!

 

[Jasmina]

If it is someone I have seen multiple times before and we have a certain comfort level I see no problem, IF it is pre or post session. I don't have any interest in doing it with someone I have not met, far too awkward, and I do not have time to do it off hours if there is no session involved. Hard enough to find time for friends and family.

 

[drlove]

I had a regular once who truly went above and beyond... The SP took me out for lunch on her time and even paid for everything, despite my protests. It was definitely something she didn't have to do, but did anyway. That showed true class, and although it was many years ago, that kind gesture always stuck with me.

 

[MissCroft]

I do not have time to do it off hours if there is no session involved. Hard enough to find time for friends and family.

+1

It may sound mean but, yes, there are other people in my life who I spend my free time with and should not be made to feel otherwise. I have bills to pay and should not feel guilty for that. Sadly, some guys just don't get it....

 

[IM469]

My personal rule is "if her clothes are on, the clock is off."

Then why on earth would she waste time with you ??????? Some of you guys should give your head a shake and take a long hard look into the mirror. The only reason she is with you is because you are paying for a fantasy of being with a girl you can't be with in real life. If you want the fantasy of having a great looking girl socialize with you - why wouldn't you pay for that ? She is suppose to hang out with a guy she wouldn't normally date, forgo her friends and family for the price of a few table scraps ???? Let me know when you schedule your next 'naked' interlude I'll run to her door and ask her to forget your paid appointment to have a free coffee at Tim Horton's with me. According to the logic here - she will readily agree to the prospect.

If you are a client asking your SP for dinner - you should expect to pay for her time. Maybe the rate will be adjusted because you are not grunting on top of her - but you should expect to pay. I think that if an SP does try to treat a client as a friend (at accompanies a client to dinner,etc), she will find that 90% of the clients will end up treating her as an SP anyway. The client will expect sex (possibly for free) at the end of the meal and will not offer to take you on any social event that sex isn't guaranteed. That's why they are clients.

 

[Gabriella Laurence]

For me, it’s quite simple; no matter how many times I have seen a particular gentleman, no matter how much I appreciate his company and no matter how good we make each other feel during an intimate encounter and the close bonds we have developed over time, even with great chemistry and a deep connection, I will only agree to spend time with him during scheduled appointments. I am a paid companion who gets compensated for her time and this is why I have a social date only, dinner date, overnight and weekend consideration listed on my website (along with shorter options for rendez-vous).

Start crossing too many boundaries and blurring the lines and this is where confusion emerges and issues arise.

“Gabriella” sees her gentlemen friends, lovers and patrons “on the clock”.
I see my personal friends, family members and acquaintances during my own (free) time.

Free companionship can easily be found on dating sites and the likes although there are no guarantees that it will be a no-strings-attached engagement without complications…

 

[MadonnaLove]

Free companionship can easily be found on dating sites and the likes although there are no guarantees that it will be a no-strings-attached engagement without complications…

well said

 

[fuji]

... This thread again.

 

[Klute]

OP seems so focused on having dinner dates with SPs. Strange. Most guys on this site are more focused on mileage.

Klute

 

[lazysausage]

You gain mileage from the dinner, at least in most average joes minds. I rather be focused on a girl if I didn't know her deepest secret, at least then she won't dump all the bullshit on me.

 

[justsayso]

I am truly friends with one of the nicest sps in the industry. I don't know all the sps out there, of course, but my friend is one of the best people I have met in my lifetime. I am very proud to be her friend. Not because she is an sp and I feel 'lucky', but because she is a great human being and therefore this quality is what makes me feel fortunate to have her in my life. She was the individual who offered me real assistance when I needed it and I will always be appreciative for that kindness during a hard time in my life. You know, alot of people will claim to be good, helpful people, but when you are down and out and you need help, very few people actually offer anything of signifigance. Most people, essentially, are fairweather friends. With this sp, though, she is my friend when I actually need a friend.

I spend many hours 'off the clock' with her and on two occassions, I paid her even though we didn't have FS or anything of that sort. I really like her and I don't want our relationship to only be about FS and the escort/client relationship. So, I think if you want to spend time with an sp 'off the clock' and become friends with her, you have to also treat the sp as a friend when you have the chance to. If you always have FS with a lady when given the green light to do so, they will only see you as a client, most likely.

And more so, if you had a girlfriend, you wouldn't always engage in physical activity with the girlfriend each and every time you saw her. But, you would still likely spend money on her. So, with an sp, try to reorganize your mindset and treat her as you would a special girlfriend. Pay her without always thinking about getting FS in return. That way, not only will she see you as more than just a client, but you too will look at her as more than just an sp.

 

[ogibowt]

Then why on earth would she waste time with you ??????? Some of you guys should give your head a shake and take a long hard look into the mirror. The only reason she is with you is because you are paying for a fantasy of being with a girl you can't be with in real life. If you want the fantasy of having a great looking girl socialize with you - why wouldn't you pay for that ? She is suppose to hang out with a guy she wouldn't normally date, forgo her friends and family for the price of a few table scraps ???? Let me know when you schedule your next 'naked' interlude I'll run to her door and ask her to forget your paid appointment to have a free coffee at Tim Horton's with me. According to the logic here - she will readily agree to the prospect.

If you are a client asking your SP for dinner - you should expect to pay for her time. Maybe the rate will be adjusted because you are not grunting on top of her - but you should expect to pay. I think that if an SP does try to treat a client as a friend (at accompanies a client to dinner,etc), she will find that 90% of the clients will end up treating her as an SP anyway. The client will expect sex (possibly for free) at the end of the meal and will not offer to take you on any social event that sex isn't guaranteed. That's why they are clients.

um, just so you know..you are berating a guy who has been banned for quite awhile..lol..