Seeing SP off the clock
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Guys I think we are fooling ourselves to think that SP's would want anything outside of "the bedroom" for free. In my opinion there is always a cost wether its buying for drinks and dinner. I am not saying we can't build a connection with an SP but thats where it starts and ends in my opinion. I
I just dont see anything else coming out of it these are women who are great in sales and know how to sell it .
Best to keep emotions out of it and you won't be let down.
Cheers !
I just dont see anything else coming out of it these are women who are great in sales and know how to sell it .
Best to keep emotions out of it and you won't be let down.
Cheers !
So you and your wife go dutch? Lucky gal...
There's a "cost", in that sense, with every social interaction with a woman, SP or otherwise
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For all the flak this thread has attracted, I think it's nice to hear all the different opinions. I think the bottom line is YMMV - in all things. This is indeed a business, so in no way should it be confused with dating. That said, many businesses and especially professionals have preferred customers - people they simply enjoy dealing with more than others. They will generally show favour to these clients. In this industry, I would say being a gentleman is a good start, and if there is genuine chemistry between your personality and that of your favorite SP, you may find the clock being less of a factor over time. Loyalty is earned, and usually through doing a substantial amount of business. When I find myself staying in the presidential suite of a hotel, having booked only a standard room, I know it's because I've stayed hundreds of nights with that hotel brand, combined with one other very important point - that room happened to be available when I checked in, so they gave it to me because it cost them next to nothing to do so. They also have an ulterior motive. The hotel business is fiercely competitive, and they know if they spoil me a little with their loyalty program, I will keep coming back again and again. Ask any SP - it's not raining Johns. They have to work to get clients and especially to attract the good ones, while avoiding the bad ones. In many cases, having posted rates is simply a way to set expectations and limits, which can be relaxed at their discretion.
When I find an SP I hit if off with an a city, I almost always try to repeat and book in advance when I know my travel will take me there. I've found a willingness to accommodate hours that work for me but are outside their normal schedule, preferred pricing for regular appointments, a somewhat relaxed clock depending on her schedule that day, services not usually on the menu and performed with a greater amount of enthusiasm (trust and mutual respect have a lot to do with that), and more.
Recently, I really wanted to see one of my regulars, but was visiting a city 2 hours away from where she lives. We agreed on a price to make it worth her while and she trekked all the way out there to see me for what was supposed to be 5-6 hours. Due to a mix-up with her return trip, she ended up staying the night. We ordered a feast from room service, polished off 3 bottles of wine, and had some great conversation, watched TV, had a bath, etc. I did not expect any additional services from her, and in the morning she was on her way, having had a really great time. I really enjoyed the experience of hanging out with her, without the expectation of something more (we were both too spent anyway). The professional aspect is important to me too. I had somewhere to be that morning and she respected the fact that I needed her to be on her way by a certain time.
SP's are human, and all the dynamics of normal human interactions apply - though they are undercurrents to the business relationship. I always respect that this is how they pay their bills and I try to help as much as I can. I actually feel good about helping them pay their rent, tuition, or whatever it is they are saving for. The more generous they are with their time and their attitude, the more I want to help. It's a win-win.
When I find an SP I hit if off with an a city, I almost always try to repeat and book in advance when I know my travel will take me there. I've found a willingness to accommodate hours that work for me but are outside their normal schedule, preferred pricing for regular appointments, a somewhat relaxed clock depending on her schedule that day, services not usually on the menu and performed with a greater amount of enthusiasm (trust and mutual respect have a lot to do with that), and more.
Recently, I really wanted to see one of my regulars, but was visiting a city 2 hours away from where she lives. We agreed on a price to make it worth her while and she trekked all the way out there to see me for what was supposed to be 5-6 hours. Due to a mix-up with her return trip, she ended up staying the night. We ordered a feast from room service, polished off 3 bottles of wine, and had some great conversation, watched TV, had a bath, etc. I did not expect any additional services from her, and in the morning she was on her way, having had a really great time. I really enjoyed the experience of hanging out with her, without the expectation of something more (we were both too spent anyway). The professional aspect is important to me too. I had somewhere to be that morning and she respected the fact that I needed her to be on her way by a certain time.
SP's are human, and all the dynamics of normal human interactions apply - though they are undercurrents to the business relationship. I always respect that this is how they pay their bills and I try to help as much as I can. I actually feel good about helping them pay their rent, tuition, or whatever it is they are saving for. The more generous they are with their time and their attitude, the more I want to help. It's a win-win.
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I'm with you on this, bro.
Peter McKay, on the other hand, thinks we're both perverts.
Appreciate your comment.
I'm with you on this, bro.
Peter McKay, on the other hand, thinks we're both perverts.
Ouch. :frown: I agree with everything else you said but that comment is a bit unfair IMO. Are you basing that on one bad experience?
I disagree with that, I have yet to be burn't in the sp or mp world other than B&S or no shows. But I have really gotten burn't in the civi world.
I agree with most of what you said... I would however add that the "ulterior objectives" is subjective. Some SP's may in fact be looking for "payment" for these "off the clock activities" in other forms... like for example the blatant "suggestion" of the watch you spoke about. But I don't think that is the case all the time.
As stated earlier in this thread, I've been fortunate enough to have been on the receiving end of many "off the clock" activities. In my case, (and in my opinion), it wasn't attached to any ulterior motive at all, aside from enjoying the company of a like minded individual of the opposite sex, of which we enjoyed each other's company. While it is true, that this also had the very fortunate side effect of increased intensity of our "on the clock" activities as well.
It depends entirely on the individuals involved and the expectations of all involved. Given the opinions shared in THIS thread, however, one thing is blatantly obvious- COMMUNICATION is key.
Oh, and:
I've had a very similar reaction from the 8th floor of the Embassy Suites! :eyebrows:
Fieramosca is still around?!
I knew the original owner (don't know if he still owns it).
Is it still on Avenue Road near Cumberland/Yorkville?
I think it's more about being cheap than rejection issues and immaturity, but there's an element of chauvinism too. You're also right about playing and trying to take advantage of a situation.
Miss Croft has been my social date on many occasions, and despite her fee, it feels like it's off the clock. So yes, it's a privilege earned.
I have to take back my statement that I disagree. When speaking of sps you are right on money, especially when it comes to hardships which leads to what you have described !
What I meant was, in my experience I realise what I am dealing with in the sp world, were as, In my x-private life, I never knew what to expect.
Maybe, but I'd categories you more as the female Praying Mantis type. You do realise, that she consumes her mates during sex. I might be weird, but I like it...Interesting comment. I hope I don't give that impression. I'm not weak, but I'm far from bulletproof.
It might sound old-fashioned, but I've always felt that exposing our vulnerabilities, our softer side, is a sign of trust in a lover. Translated physically ...tilting one's head to expose the neck for a kiss ... it's a sign of faith that you won't tear out my jugular
sure is...and appreciated by those old fashioned kiss and caress kind of loversInteresting comment. I hope I don't give that impression. I'm not weak, but I'm far from bulletproof.
It might sound old-fashioned, but I've always felt that exposing our vulnerabilities, our softer side, is a sign of trust in a lover.
I feel like you especially if I am buying them dinner taking them shopping, taking them to the theater or to the opera, or taking them on a trip and paying to go to the Spa. I do not think It should be free but I do not think it should be the regular rate. I just spoke to my favorite Agency about a lady that I wanted to take out and The agency said that they lose money if they reduce the rate. Since I am paying for the limo, the dinner, and all other expenses not sure how she loses money. Especially if it after her agency is closed.
I have not had SP who do not want to be paid. Everyone wants to be paid but I do think there should be a reduced rate for social time. Some do some do not.
The thought that a SP would want to go out with me afyer the session is rare. So take it as a huge complement towards you. I do pay SPs to leave and come back and pretend to want to see me like that. It is a huge turn on.
That is totally fair and I agree with you. The problem arises when she is spending all of her time at the spa or at the opera (I love opera by the way!
), and she is not making enough to pay her bills. I think that is a point that, unfortunately, some guys are missing. The bigger problem that has not been mentioned enough in this thread is the scam artists. There are guys that will promise you the world, negotiate the rates, and none of it ever comes to fruition. Then the SP realizes she's been had.... Yet, this thread seems to be making us out to be the 'bad guys'.
SPs often "retire" but during their transition to the next life keep their best regulars for fun and remuneration. I have been it this position many times. You pay for an hour in the sack and is is received but then out for dinner long talks about life what is next and so on.
Miss Croft yes we are all victims here. I have had many a time where I have been mislead. I would not suggest that they come along for free but reduced rate or at least appreciateion for the time spent.That is totally fair and I agree with you. The problem arises when she is spending all of her time at the spa or at the opera (I love opera by the way!
The bigger problem that has not been mentioned enough in this thread is the scam artists. There are guys that will promise you the world, negotiate the rates, and none of it ever comes to fruition. Then the SP realizes she's been had.... Yet, this thread seems to be making us out to be the 'bad guys'.
You have raise some interesting points. I do recall a SP who felt I was the worst guy in the world as she did not need another fancy dress or another trip she needed a new roof and new toleits. So that is a valued point. It explains why a trip to the spa or a fancy dinner is not appreciated.
