Robbie was disruptive and verbally abusive in rehab

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From this very thread...

Where have I heard that bullshit before?

Oh I know. When the Star was using anonymous sources to describe Ford's rampant drug abuse, dereliction of duty, and abusive behavior. All you Ford Nation types bleated and mooed about how unreliable it was and what an awful paper the Star was and how none of it could be true.

Well guess what?

Everything the Star has printed about Ford to date has proven 110% true. In fact, when the full truth came out, the Star story had conservatively understated the facts. They wound up getting a whole raft of awards for their high quality reporting on Ford, and he wound up having to go in front of a camera and admit that every single thing they printed was absolutely true.
So I replied in a thread actually about Rob Ford that somebody else started and refuted a slur against the Star. Meanwhile I'm not starting Ford threads and not discussing him on other threads about provincial or municipal politics.

Yeah I sure am "hounding" him on every thread!!

The muppet doth protest too much, methinks!
 

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So I replied in a thread actually about Rob Ford that somebody else started and refuted a slur against the Star. Meanwhile I'm not starting Ford threads and not discussing him on other threads about provincial or municipal politics.

Yeah I sure am "hounding" him on every thread!!

The muppet doth protest too much, methinks!
right back at ya!
 

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right back at ya!
I certainly will post more about him if he actually starts polling like he could win. For now he seems to be out.

My main interest here was to repudiate the lie that the Star was somehow doubt something inappropriate or that it wasn't proper journalism.

Attacks on good journalism are worth mocking.
 

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Actually I think how many times he stumbled and how much trouble he has had with withdrawl symptoms is very relevant. It informs how serious his issues are and his odds of recovery.

My opinion is that the rehab he needs is completely incompatible with running for mayor and this highlights why.

Naw. We don't need to see all the dirty laundry. It's expected. BUT unless we know the official prognosis, then perhaps those details might be relevant.
 
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Oh goodie, hopefully that will help to clarify your somewhat ambiguous position on him.
My position on him is unambiguous, but entirely different than my opinion of what constitutes a valid news story on a politician running for office. The latter topic can be discussed without mentioning Ford.

I haven't posted much on Ford lately because I perceive him as a has been running for third place. If he somehow becomes a contender then obviously these discussions of his low character become more relevant.
 

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Naw. We don't need to see all the dirty laundry. It's expected. BUT unless you we know the official prognosis, then perhaps those details might be relevant.
I think the public is entitled to judge for itself and not be filtered through a company that is paid by Ford. Remember this is off OHIP stuff. What are his connections to the Leon family? I certainly do not perceive the facility as being entirely independent, and in any case they are refusing to comment.
 

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I think the public is entitled to judge for itself and not be filtered through a company that is paid by Ford. Remember this is off OHIP stuff. What are his connections to the Leon family? I certainly do not perceive the facility as being entirely independent, and in any case they are refusing to comment.
You're making this out to be the scandal that isn't. No rehab facility will give out that sort of info no matter who their client is or they would be out of business, if not in violation of a privacy law. All patients would be afforded the same confidentiality.
 

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Considering that his rehab was nothing more than a political stunt - his bevavior during and after is very very very relevant.
It is just one more lie - one more 'dupe' that he is orchestrating.
His sober coach is following him a public events for 'show'. He doesn't need a sober coach at a presser. He needs one at 10PM.
Guys a liar - guys been caught- guys lying again.
Things don't make print in main stream media unless proof is at hand. They may not provide it but they have it.
There is a mountain of shit they are sitting on but need definitive proof before it can be printed.
Trust me ......- meh- ......or don't
 

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You're making this out to be the scandal that isn't. No rehab facility will give out that sort of info no matter who their client is or they would be out of business, if not in violation of a privacy law. All patients would be afforded the same confidentiality.
I am not making it out to be a scandal, it is the aftermath of a scandal.

And Ford is not "all patients", he is a candidate for mayor. While I agree the clinic isn't going to release a statement, the Star is quite right to make public how Ford had behaved.
 

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Ford is not entitled to the sort of privacy a regular Joe is.
If you used the word scrutiny I may agree. He is entitled to privacy.

In fact in chapter 7 of the Canadian Charter, he has rights to privacy of the body and its health.

The media has no business prying into how his treatment went. If Ford divulges the information then it is different. To the best of my knowledge most of GreenStone's services are covered by OHIP. His time there is protected, like it or not, regardless if ROFO did it as a stunt or not.



Fuji, how old is that gal in your gif?
Hmmm, ...thinking about the young girl in the high school with the balloons. Usually aged less than eighteen in high school - do you feel it is appropriate to have that in adult - sex based board??? Could draw scrutiny to your privacy...
 

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So if he successfully completed the program, happily accepted all treatment and was not abusive or a bully while in the program you would consider him for Mayor? If not, the goings on while he was in rehab are irrelevant because whatever they are won't cause you to vote for him.
I'll argue that Ford's behaviour during rehab might be normal for anyone with withdrawal symptoms, but the Star will use any notoriety from that poor devil's experience to disparage him, whether he's cured or not (I don't think he is yet).

Unfortunately, I don't think there's any evidence that him using affected his decision-making in the business of city finances (apart from his simple & stubborn fiscal conservatism), but everything else (like public relations) that a Mayor stands for probably was affected by his alcohol and drug use (on top of his bigotry).
 

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If you used the word scrutiny I may agree. He is entitled to privacy.

In fact it in chapter 7 of the Canadian Charter, he has rights to privacy of the body and its health.

The media has no business prying into how his treatment went.
This is false information. Start with how the charter does not apply to the media. If Ford thinks it was an invasion of his privacy he can try and sue the Star: I guarantee you he will lose.
 

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Hmmm, ...thinking about the young girl in the high school with the balloons. Usually aged less than eighteen in high school - do you feel it is appropriate to have that in adult - sex based board??? Could draw scrutiny to your privacy...
She is a singer in a Japanese pop band. That is not a highschool that is them coming off stage which is why they are in costume.
 

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Which gif? The pics in my sig rotate.
Yeah, I notice they rotate. How do you do that? I meant the gal that gives that guy a dirty look and later makes the shape of a heart with her hands. (The applauding gal has the exact smile of a teller I know. Very cute too.)
 

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Yeah, I notice they rotate. How do you do that? I meant the gal that gives that guy a dirty look and later makes the shape of a heart with her hands. (The applauding gal has the exact smile of a teller I know. Very cute too.)
Hwayoung from T-ara, Kpop, 21 now maybe 19 at that time.
 

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The applauding girl is Jang Ye Won, sports reporter on Korean TV. She was covering the world cup in Brazil.

The girl in the car is OAG (from the OAG meme).
 
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