Robbie was disruptive and verbally abusive in rehab

[fuji]

Sure, that's fine. But that's not proof that the police incident was related to Ford. That's the claim I take issue with, because it is unsupported by facts.

Which is why the article states:

"It's not known if the police visit was related to Ford."

They are very clear about that.

And as for whether this article is responsible journalism: absolutely it is. Ford has his name on the ballot running for Mayor. People need to know about his character, his behavior, the likelihood that he is going to create another scandal. It is particularly in the public interest to know if he is still behaving badly, whether he is doing drugs, and the likelihood that rehab has helped him in any meaningful way.

 

[legmann]

Sometimes I wonder if to be a Ford supporter you have to have a lobotomy.

Apparently.

Any one who still has doubt left as to the 'integrity' of Mayor Ford is a complete moron.

 

[spankingman]

The brothers have been verbally abusive and bullies their entire lives and a lot of it caught on TV. As if the rehab administrators didn't know before hand.

The Ford kids lead a privileged life growing up likely never having to account for anything. I'm sure the old man looked after their transgressions having friends in high places.

 

[d_jedi]

Which is why the article states:

"It's not known if the police visit was related to Ford."

They are very clear about that.

Now, we're coming full circle. If it's not known, it's not a fact, it's innuendo. And it should not be included as a part of the article.

And as for whether this article is responsible journalism: absolutely it is. Ford has his name on the ballot running for Mayor. People need to know about his character, his behavior, the likelihood that he is going to create another scandal. It is particularly in the public interest to know if he is still behaving badly, whether he is doing drugs, and the likelihood that rehab has helped him in any meaningful way.

Rehab is supposed to be a "safe" place where addicts can open up and confront their demons. What happens is not meant to be subject to public scrutiny. Similar idea to doctor/patient confidentiality, attorney/client privilege, etc. It's a breach of trust for workers at Greenstone to talk to the media about one of their patients in this way.

 

[probyn]

Rehab is supposed to be a "safe" place where addicts can open up and confront their demons. What happens is not meant to be subject to public scrutiny. Similar idea to doctor/patient confidentiality, attorney/client privilege, etc. It's a breach of trust for workers at Greenstone to talk to the media about one of their patients in this way.

Exactly. I in fact believe the story about Rob Ford being disruptive in rehab is probably true. But rehab is suppose to be confidential. The Toronto Star was behaving unethically to report this story.

 

[fuji]

Now, we're coming full circle. If it's not known, it's not a fact, it's innuendo. And it should not be included as a part of the article.

What innuendo? You seem to be making up things that are not in the article in order to pretend to criticize it.

Knowing that there are residents at that rehab who manage to get drugs and they the police have had to be called there provided some good context to the odds that Ford actually got effective treatment there. It helps understand what sort of environment he was in.

Rehab is supposed to be a "safe" place where addicts can open up and confront their demons. What happens is not meant to be subject to public scrutiny.

Then he should take his name off the ballot. Until he does what he does and where he does it is very relevant information that voters need in order to assess whether he is fit to be in office.

 

[fuji]

Exactly. I in fact believe the story about Rob Ford being disruptive in rehab is probably true. But rehab is suppose to be confidential. The Toronto Star was behaving unethically to report this story.

The story is very much in the public interest. Ford is not entitled to the sort of privacy a regular Joe is. His name is on the ballot for mayor, assessing whether he is fit to be mayor is an imperative public interest that trumps all that.

If being in rehab is incompatible with being in a media spotlight the onus is on Ford to rectify that by withdrawing from the election as almost everyone advised him to.

So long as he is running for mayor the quality of his experience in rehab is a core election issue.

 

[MattRoxx]

Exactly. I in fact believe the story about Rob Ford being disruptive in rehab is probably true. But rehab is suppose to be confidential. The Toronto Star was behaving unethically to report this story.

Yes, rehab should be confidential, but Ford broke that confidentiality the entire time he was there. He called Warmington from rehab to tell him it was "amazing, like football camp". And he told Warmington specifics about other guests at the facility.
And he talked about it during a campaign speech, which meant that his claims deserved to be checked for accuracy.
As usual, turns out he was lying.

I don't support Ford. He is an admitted drug addict, and on that basis alone he is unsuitable to be mayor. But I do believe he deserves a fair shake..

Ford's had way more shakes than anyone should get.
Any other job he would have been fired years ago, when he was regularly skipping work and using his employer's resources to play at being a high school football coach. Every taxpayer penny he's been paid since then has been undeserved.

Mayor Rob Ford said the best part of how he feels right now is he is able to get up and into work early.

“I am not hungover anymore in the mornings,” he said with a laugh Thursday night...

This, he admits, was not the case when in the year or so before he finally came to the realization, “I was an alcoholic and had problems.”

He said he was in constant denial and is “embarrassed” about all of it.

“I was lying to myself and to everybody else,” he said

You've stated that you're going to quit hobbying to protect your job, I doubt your employer would put up with you showing up late with a hangover all the time, and then leaving work early to meet a drug dealer in a park. And Ford the hypocrite screamed about firing a city employee because he was shown a photo of the man with his head on his desk.

 

[MattRoxx]

Unanimous standing ovation from City Council for the organizers of a huge successful event that brought millions of tourist dollars to the city....

Except for one lone petulant child who remains seated, looking away. Anyone really doubt this asshole was disruptive at rehab?

 

[MattRoxx]

And now it's not only the Star "breaking confidentiality". The right wing Sun News Network is giving it a try with another ex-guest of the facility.

http://video.stcatharinesstandard.c...lash-news/rob-fords-rehab-buddy/3667228513001

From that clip Ford was still talking to his drug dealer while in rehab. That's kind of weird.

 

[Butler1000]

Unanimous standing ovation from City Council for the organizers of a huge successful event that brought millions of tourist dollars to the city....

Except for one lone petulant child who remains seated, looking away. Anyone really doubt this asshole was disruptive at rehab?

I spoke to some people involved with Pride (this is an aside BTW, nothing to do about Ford) who told me they messed up in timing (holding it the same weekend as several other Prides) and in organizing airline bookings somany outside could attend.

One is a hospitality expert basically said they were disorganized, refused to listen to good advice and a whole lot of "drama" Queens. As well as the majority of the marketing going to as she put it "the 20 something bathhouse crowd".

Just saying maybe they deserved applause but not a standing O.........and perhaps more time spent doing things instead of congratulating eachother and petty arguments...from ALL sides.

 

[oldjones]

It's a smear campaign, plain and simple. It certainly isn't the first time that someone in rehab will have withdrawal symptoms and be uncooperative. This is a non-issue only to make Ford look bad. Not that I will vote for him, but it is irrelevant. It's perfectly fine if you don't want him as Mayor. I can support that, but to inject this negativity during the campaign is low - for the Star and his opponents. Absolutely no compassion for someone with addiction problems.

Absolutely no compassion for a self-deluding liar in the Mayor's chair. To expect a newspaper to stay silent about a topic of civic concern that so clearly sells eyeballs is naive.

We can all sympathize with the pain that made Rob who he is, and with how hard the road to recovery that he's finally started on must be. But the time for treating him with compassion for what he had to deal with was when the undeniable truth first came to light. He squandered that, and only responded to harder truths.

Too sad.

 

[oldjones]

I spoke to some people involved with Pride (this is an aside BTW, nothing to do about Ford) who told me they messed up in timing (holding it the same weekend as several other Prides) and in organizing airline bookings somany outside could attend.

One is a hospitality expert basically said they were disorganized, refused to listen to good advice and a whole lot of "drama" Queens. As well as the majority of the marketing going to as she put it "the 20 something bathhouse crowd".

Just saying maybe they deserved applause but not a standing O.........and perhaps more time spent doing things instead of congratulating eachother and petty arguments...from ALL sides.

This is to do with Ford: Who definitely did NOT give even the polite if token applause that a well-intentioned and successful community effort deserves and traditionally receives.

 

[Butler1000]

This is to do with Ford: Who definitely did NOT didn't give even token applause that a well-intentioned and successful community effort deserves.

Oh I agree he should have given some applause. But I invite those interested to watch the video again and NOT look at Ford. You will note other councillors reluctant to stand as well. And I believe only did so to pay lipservice to political correctness.

Do they do the same for the Beaches Jazz Festival? Taste of the Danforth. Other parades?

And like I said this one wasn't the overwhelming success they would have you believe. As far as World Prides go my understanding is it wasn't. No more than usual for a Toronto Pride except for the extra delegates(who I assume had their costs covered). Hotels weren't rammed. I have friends on front desks around downtown. They see more from standard business conventions.

I little too much political correct back-slapping in my books.

 

[oldjones]

Sure, that's fine. But that's not proof that the police incident was related to Ford. That's the claim I take issue with, because it is unsupported by facts.

No such "claim"—that the call was related to Ford—was made. Quite the reverse. If the Star had not mentioned Ford at all and left the implication unaddressed when reporting police calls to his rehab, there would have been some justification for accusing them of innuendo. So they made sure what was factual was clearly stated.

Consider the classic: To report there's no evidence a known wife-beater was involved in a subsequent domestic-assault call is actually just the info we'd want about a guy who claimed he'd finally stopped.

 

[GameBoy27]

And now it's not only the Star "breaking confidentiality". The right wing Sun News Network is giving it a try with another ex-guest of the facility.

http://video.stcatharinesstandard.c...lash-news/rob-fords-rehab-buddy/3667228513001

From that clip Ford was still talking to his drug dealer while in rehab. That's kind of weird.

Did I get this right? LeeAnne McRobb gets booted from rehab for loaning her vehicle out. RF turns around and does the exact same thing, loaning his vehicle out to her? Hmmmmmm...

 

[GPIDEAL]

Absolutely no compassion for a self-deluding liar in the Mayor's chair. To expect a newspaper to stay silent about a topic of civic concern that so clearly sells eyeballs is naive.

We can all sympathize with the pain that made Rob who he is, and with how hard the road to recovery that he's finally started on must be. But the time for treating him with compassion for what he had to deal with was when the undeniable truth first came to light. He squandered that, and only responded to harder truths.

Too sad.

Lying is a hallmark of addiction oldjones (not to mention that it's a personal matter imo). He probably 'stumbled' during rehab, and if he's that bad of an addict, he's gonna get belligerent too from withdrawal symptoms.

You're better than that.

But if Rofo's rehab buddy called the Star to spill the beans, then I suppose it's not the Star's fault, but I just think it doesn't deserve headlines. It's overkill. I'm confidant he won't win, just wish he doesn't split the vote cuz I'm rooting for Tory.

 

[GPIDEAL]

This is to do with Ford: Who definitely did NOT give even the polite if token applause that a well-intentioned and successful community effort deserves and traditionally receives.

Agreed. He should have applauded and even stood up.

(He apologized for his racist and homophobic comments, so standing up would lend credence to his 'turning a new leaf', especially during this mayoral race).

 

[Carling]

the McRobb woman is definitely either fucking Rob or they were doing drugs or drinking... either way all 3 are bad for one's health..

 

[GPIDEAL]

from that clip she's got the pasties too

it would help to know if the cops are at greenstone all the time or if this was a unique incident. I mean, if they've never attended there or rarely, it would be a big deal. However if they're there on a weekly basis it's really not news.

Yes. Always licking her lips.