Robbie was disruptive and verbally abusive in rehab

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The story is very much in the public interest. Ford is not entitled to the sort of privacy a regular Joe is. His name is on the ballot for mayor, assessing whether he is fit to be mayor is an imperative public interest that trumps all that.

If being in rehab is incompatible with being in a media spotlight the onus is on Ford to rectify that by withdrawing from the election as almost everyone advised him to.

So long as he is running for mayor the quality of his experience in rehab is a core election issue.

Fuji, it's not important to know the trials and tribulations of this addict while in rehab. It's excessively invasive.

You and Oldjones like the overkill to assure his defeat when none is needed.


Edit: You don't have to worry that the people of Toronto believe that he's fully cured. I hardly doubt that. That's why he's in last spot in the polls (apart from being sick and tired of his drama or problems).
 

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If I was running for Mayor (I'm not) and especially if I am looking to show a new me.............

I would have fucking stood up and made a big show of it. Even if I hated it - I would have faked the shit out of it.

But then again - I also wouldn't hold a press conference to deride the Eglinton cross town development which my administration has already approved.
 
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He hasn't stood up and applauded for Pride since he has been in council, why would he start now? At minimum, he's consistent.
 

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Fuji, it's not important to know the trials and tribulations of this addict while in rehab.
Actually, it is. We need to know what sort of experience he had so we can judge whether he is fit to be mayor, whether he is of sufficient character.

If he was abusive and bullying, if he refused treatment, if he failed to complete the program, these are things that will inform our choice in October.

If his rehabilitation is incompatible with running for mayor the onus would be on him to prioritize his recovery by dropping out of the mayor's race. In that case he would revert to being a private citizen with an expectation of privacy around his personal affairs.

As he had kept his name on the ballot, and as he had specified his rehabilitation is a reason to vote for him, there is an overriding public interest in knowing all about it.
 

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Actually, it is. We need to know what sort of experience he had so we can judge whether he is fit to be mayor, whether he is of sufficient character.

If he was abusive and bullying, if he refused treatment, if he failed to complete the program, these are things that will inform our choice in October.

If his rehabilitation is incompatible with running for mayor the onus would be on him to prioritize his recovery by dropping out of the mayor's race. In that case he would revert to being a private citizen with an expectation of privacy around his personal affairs.

As he had kept his name on the ballot, and as he had specified his rehabilitation is a reason to vote for him, there is an overriding public interest in knowing all about it.
So if he successfully completed the program, happily accepted all treatment and was not abusive or a bully while in the program you would consider him for Mayor? If not, the goings on while he was in rehab are irrelevant because whatever they are won't cause you to vote for him.
 

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So if he successfully completed the program, happily accepted all treatment and was not abusive or a bully while in the program you would consider him for Mayor? If not, the goings on while he was in rehab are irrelevant because whatever they are won't cause you to vote for him.
The public interest in this story doesn't depend on my opinion, nor am I the only one voting in this election.
 

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How noble of you to take it upon yourself to inform the uneducated masses.
The Star wrote the story, not me. Are you daft? That noble endeavor is actually their job.

And are you saying that NO ONE would change their vote based on whether he has been successful or not in rehab?
 

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The Star wrote the story, not me. Are you daft? That noble endeavor is actually their job.

And are you saying that NO ONE would change their vote based on whether he has been successful or not in rehab?
He has a percentage of followers who will always vote for him if he's running regardless of his antics. Thankfully it's a small percentage. I just don't see the point of your constant hounding on TERB, we get it, he's unfit for Mayor. You must be the shirtless guy...(hit the gym dude).
 

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Actually, it is. We need to know what sort of experience he had so we can judge whether he is fit to be mayor, whether he is of sufficient character.

If he was abusive and bullying, if he refused treatment, if he failed to complete the program, these are things that will inform our choice in October.

If his rehabilitation is incompatible with running for mayor the onus would be on him to prioritize his recovery by dropping out of the mayor's race. In that case he would revert to being a private citizen with an expectation of privacy around his personal affairs.

As he had kept his name on the ballot, and as he had specified his rehabilitation is a reason to vote for him, there is an overriding public interest in knowing all about it.

On second thought, you eloquently made a reasoned argument why the public should know, but what's more important than the intricacies of his rehab, is the end result.

Two months isn't enough IMHO.

I remember watching last November when I was in Dallas, a U.S. Congressman who was caught buying cocaine. He dismissed himself for six months right away with a passionate apology to his constituents.
 

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He has a percentage of followers who will always vote for him if he's running regardless of his antics. Thankfully it's a small percentage. I just don't see the point of your constant hounding on TERB, we get it, he's unfit for Mayor. You must be the shirtless guy...(hit the gym dude).
I didn't start this thread. I just repudiated the claim that this sort of story is not in the public interest relating to someone running for mayor.
 

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I didn't start this thread. I just repudiated the claim that this sort of story is not in the public interest relating to someone running for mayor.
Ok. I don't think we need to know how many times he stumbled or had withdrawal symptoms or got sick. But it's a fair question as to whether he is still recovering or needs further rehabilitation.
 

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Ok. I don't think we need to know how many times he stumbled or had withdrawal symptoms or got sick. But it's a fair question as to whether he is still recovering or needs further rehabilitation.
Actually I think how many times he stumbled and how much trouble he has had with withdrawl symptoms is very relevant. It informs how serious his issues are and his odds of recovery.

My opinion is that the rehab he needs is completely incompatible with running for mayor and this highlights why.
 

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Then what did you mean by "your constant hounding him on terb"?

Can you provide examples?
Are you kidding? Any thread about municipal politics, Rob Ford or even the recent Provincial election is filled with examples from you. We get it fugi, you don't like the guy.
 

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I don't support Ford. He is an admitted drug addict, and on that basis alone he is unsuitable to be mayor. But I do believe he deserves a fair shake.. and I think the Toronto Star goes too far digging for mud on the guy. Why the media simply couldn't respect his privacy while he was receiving treatment for his drug addiction is beyond me.
Being a candidate for mayor, you kind of figure he's a public figure worth scrutiny.
 

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From this very thread...

Where have I heard that bullshit before?

Oh I know. When the Star was using anonymous sources to describe Ford`s rampant drug abuse, dereliction of duty, and abusive behavior. All you Ford Nation types bleated and mooed about how unreliable it was and what an awful paper the Star was and how none of it could be true.

Well guess what?

Everything the Star has printed about Ford to date has proven 110% true. In fact, when the full truth came out, the Star story had conservatively understated the facts. They wound up getting a whole raft of awards for their high quality reporting on Ford, and he wound up having to go in front of a camera and admit that every single thing they printed was absolutely true.
 
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