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Psychopath/Sociopaths are not rare. Approximately 1% of the population are psychopaths.
1% of the population, but Ronson said that by some estimates, 15-35 percent of the prison population, (making life hell for other inmates) and may be responsible for 65% for crime overall.
 

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Psychopath/Sociopaths are not rare. Approximately 1% of the population are psychopaths.
In my view, if 1% of the general population are psychopaths- leaving 99% of the general population who are not psychopaths- then by definition that 1% of the population is rare. Also, I think that in this discusiion, one should consider both semantics( psychopaths/ sociopaths/ 'to-mate- toe'/ 'to-mat-toe') and definition. I would expect that may people here have met or have known individuals who were selfish, manipulative, dishonest, vindictive, conniving, narcissistic, destructive, etc., etc., but who wouldn't 'cross the line' and kill without any remorse or empathy. Sincerely, Jon .
 

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Fits the profile of most Bay Street and Wall Street Executives. I had a friend that was a sociopath and she couldn't handle it when she found out what we really thought of her lol.
 

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This is one of the funnier threads I have seen here.

You might want to check the difference between Psychopaths and Sociopaths.

LOL
 
Good posts, important distinctions between psychopaths and sociopaths. I believe actual psychosis, logically enough, is another common trait among psychopath's hence making it harder (but not impossible) for them to hide in plain sight. That is to say, they tend to be more marginalized than sociopaths who can manage their amoral impulse control issues more selectively.

I hope the figures are not quite as prevalent as some are suggesting. We encounter a lot of callous and self-serving behavior, especially in our professional lives. But most assholes at some level, at least I would like to believe, are capable of actual remorse when they finally pull their heads out of their ass. Capable of empathy and compassion, just slow to get the picture. I sure hope the "a-hole factor" accounts for some of these alarming percentages being thrown around.

In interesting insight to behaviorism was published last year: "The H Factor of Personality" by Cdn psychologists Kibeom Lee and Michael C. Ashton. Apologies if it has been covered in a previous thread. It stands for "Honesty-Humility" - the sixth factor of personality psychology study which was not recognized until after 2000. As it says on the cover, "Why some people are manipulative, self-entitled, materialistic, and exploitive - and why it matters for everyone."

It also outlines the five other basic personality factors and how they have been identified. Also includes a revised personality inventory test - HEXACO - in the appendix, which you can take to see where your personality traits stand. Have not finished reading or taken the test, but I'm sure mine will say humility is my middle name.:wink:
 

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Fits the profile of most Bay Street and Wall Street Executives. I had a friend that was a sociopath and she couldn't handle it when she found out what we really thought of her lol.
Very, very few executives are psychopaths or sociaopaths. Most people just live in their own bubble without that much exposure to radically different points of view. Most executives work exceedingly long hours and believe, with some jusitification, that their work is ethical and responsible and that they are entitled to the compensation they receive. You don't have to be a sociopath to justify what you do for a living. Everyone does it.

Babiak and Hare found a statistically significant deviation from the norm in the number of very successful (CEO and other upper management) business people who met their psychopath test - but that was only about 3%.

Human beings are built and socialized to self-justify. I would bet good money that every single person on this board engages in a number of coping strategies to justify their actions. That doesn't make any of us disturbed in the DSM IV sense.
 

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Good posts, important distinctions between psychopaths and sociopaths. I believe actual psychosis, logically enough, is another common trait among psychopath's hence making it harder (but not impossible) for them to hide in plain sight. That is to say, they tend to be more marginalized than sociopaths who can manage their amoral impulse control issues more selectively.

I hope the figures are not quite as prevalent as some are suggesting. We encounter a lot of callous and self-serving behavior, especially in our professional lives. But most assholes at some level, at least I would like to believe, are capable of actual remorse when they finally pull their heads out of their ass. Capable of empathy and compassion, just slow to get the picture. I sure hope the "a-hole factor" accounts for some of these alarming percentages being thrown around.

In interesting insight to behaviorism was published last year: "The H Factor of Personality" by Cdn psychologists Kibeom Lee and Michael C. Ashton. Apologies if it has been covered in a previous thread. It stands for "Honesty-Humility" - the sixth factor of personality psychology study which was not recognized until after 2000. As it says on the cover, "Why some people are manipulative, self-entitled, materialistic, and exploitive - and why it matters for everyone."

It also outlines the five other basic personality factors and how they have been identified. Also includes a revised personality inventory test - HEXACO - in the appendix, which you can take to see where your personality traits stand. Have not finished reading or taken the test, but I'm sure mine will say humility is my middle name.:wink:

Lets not forget that Sociopaths are almost invariably driven to having multiple sex partners.

Are you trying to inject facts and logic into the thread? :)
 

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Very, very few executives are psychopaths or sociaopaths. Most people just live in their own bubble without that much exposure to radically different points of view. Most executives work exceedingly long hours and believe, with some jusitification, that their work is ethical and responsible and that they are entitled to the compensation they receive. You don't have to be a sociopath to justify what you do for a living. Everyone does it.

Babiak and Hare found a statistically significant deviation from the norm in the number of very successful (CEO and other upper management) business people who met their psychopath test - but that was only about 3%.

Human beings are built and socialized to self-justify. I would bet good money that every single person on this board engages in a number of coping strategies to justify their actions. That doesn't make any of us disturbed in the DSM IV sense.
From a bit of first hand observation, it also depends on the company. A small company that exists in a mono-cultural environment tends to create C-suite executives that conform to the culture.

If you have a company that has operations in multiple cultures the top executives have to deal with competing cultural imperatives at the same time. A simple example is bribery. In some cultures it is part of life. In other cultures it is a horrible thing. Since they have to function in both cultures, and to be successful in both they have to accept both as 'normal'. Things like revenge, honesty, family, work ethics, are all equally flexible culture to culture. So multi-national C suite types have to have coping strategies that are far broader than most people.

When I first met my husband I was horrified by some things he perceived as normal.
 

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Well, there goes another good thread. I'm giving this one 6-7 more pages until its closed.
 

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From a bit of first hand observation, it also depends on the company. A small company that exists in a mono-cultural environment tends to create C-suite executives that conform to the culture.

If you have a company that has operations in multiple cultures the top executives have to deal with competing cultural imperatives at the same time. A simple example is bribery. In some cultures it is part of life. In other cultures it is a horrible thing. Since they have to function in both cultures, and to be successful in both they have to accept both as 'normal'. Things like revenge, honesty, family, work ethics, are all equally flexible culture to culture. So multi-national C suite types have to have coping strategies that are far broader than most people.

When I first met my husband I was horrified by some things he perceived as normal.
Interesting comment, but you lose points when you mention your husband. We get that you're the Julia Roberts character in Pretty Woman. Continually attempting to reinforce that image has made you the least popular poster on the board. Give it a rest.
 

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I can't wait to read what the lawyers have to say about the international cyber-bullying case.
 

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If you have a company that has operations in multiple cultures the top executives have to deal with competing cultural imperatives at the same time. A simple example is bribery. In some cultures it is part of life. In other cultures it is a horrible thing.
Then you also have to take into account whether the company is subject to laws such as the Canadian Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act, the British Bribery Act 2010 (c.23) or the U.S. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act 15 U.S.C. §§ 78dd-1, et seq.
 

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I can't wait to read what the lawyers have to say about the international cyber-bullying case.
I told Loki as soon as the flu symptoms made it possible, and we called the family lawyer. If the therapist says I have been injured and it costs money for treatment, it is de facto proof of damage. If you believe there are damages and can show them in court you can launch a civil case. For this kind of court case one should budget $50k to $100k for legal fees. Almost certain that given the actions by both parties before the event, the courts will at best award a trivial amount, but almost certainly just dismiss the case and have both parties pay their own costs. The victim has 2 years to launch the civil case. The Hedge Hog was nice enough to point out that there are simpler options.

So simple answer, criminal charges are a bitch. Civil litigation will probably results in two very happy lawyers :), and a warm fuzzy feeling that justice was served.

Oh and a pissed of husband when the media gets hold of it.
 

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Interesting comment, but you lose points when you mention your husband. We get that you're the Julia Roberts character in Pretty Woman. Continually attempting to reinforce that image has made you the least popular poster on the board. Give it a rest.

Sorry guy, I normally make comments based on facts. This one was just observations and may be full of shit. So flagging that it was a first hand observation seemed the right thing to do.
 

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I can't wait to read what the lawyers have to say about the international cyber-bullying case.
Interestingly and ironically enough, I am having a beer and wings tonight with a buddy in town for the week. He is a lawyer recently having returned to private practice after having spent a few years as a Crown Attorney. We always end up talking about recent cases and law in general. He is a bg talker and loves to hold forth. He is -ahem- not unsympathetic to this hobby so I can speak freely. I'm going to talk to him about this whole scenario if it doesn't make him puke!
 

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And the insanity continues.
 
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