Poilievre backs banning trans women from women's sports, change rooms and bathrooms

[TomFord1980]

It is called having an education and being informed. Not being governed by overwhelming personal biases. And most of all just being accepting of people in whatever shape, form or colour they come in. Try it. I posted links for you to read.

I told you my man, I accept all people as long as they don't force their garbage on me. Example, chick's with dicks in the women's washroom, climate alarmism, and how white people are born racist.

Also, where do you find the time to study transgender surgeries? I'm retired I can barely find an extra 5 minutes a day. And I use those 5 mins to browse for escorts.

 

[Skoob]

It happens all the time when counsellors improperly assess someone? Present some data, particularly in the context of counselling trans kids, to back up your claim.

When a kid feels different, they NEED counselling help. Not getting help, will drive kids to self harm. That is child abuse and neglect.

So no, let us not leave the kids alone and infact, I would advocate for having the child taken away from a parent who prevents their kid from getting counselling help when they need it, just because they were transphobic.

Yup, it is all a big conspiracy. Because trans surgeries and hormonal treatments are the biggest moneymaker in town folks!

Here is the data from the American Psychological Association you could have found yourself in a few seconds rather than using the "present some data" distraction tactic.

i draw your attention to this...for the association to state that it is a common problem, would you think this would not affect counselling kids?


Guideline 5 encourages practitioners to recognize how their own biases and attitudes may impact the quality of care they provide, which is a common problem in the care of TGNC individuals.

https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/sgd-sgd0000177.pdf


Stop trying to indoctrinate kids.

 

[Skoob]

It is called having an education and being informed.

It's called a Liberal elitist approach to ensuring youth are indoctrinated into your Marxist ideology.
What better targets would there be other than young kids who are vulnerable?

Leave the kids alone.

 

[TomFord1980]

So basically, anything you dont "like", never mind the science or evidence. Transwomen in women's bathroom is not even in your space, so it is not being forced on you. And where do I find time? Well I guess you are old and slow and am efficient.

This is literally in the FIRST para.

Findings indicate that psychotherapists might make errors in overemphasizing, underemphasizing, or stigmatizing TGNC identities in psychotherapy sessions.

So basically, a trans person who needs appropriate care, to help them with transition, may not get the care they need. The biases and attitudes you are referring to, is transphobia. Imagine Jordan Petersen trying to help a kid transition - that kid 100% will not get the care they need. That is what this study is trying to highlight. Nice try.

Stop advocating child abuse and neglect.

Yup a huge conspiracy. Like I said, trans surgeries are the latest moneymaker in town!

There are only two genders. Say it with me now. You may be a male who thinks he's a woman, but let me tell you friend. You're a male if you have a member dangling between those legs. If yous got a camel toe, then you are female my friend. You can play dress-up all you want but it doesn't change science.

If Turdman wasn't so corrupt he would say this too but he needs to look woke to get the sympathy vote from his base.

 

[bver_hunter]

You post something created and peddled by the federal Liberal government.
If the Feds actually did anything Toronto as an example wouldn't be in the situation it's in as far as housing.

So you cannot accept the facts then? Am I supposed to pay attention to some right wing anti-Liberal media, who want o attack the Government no matter what, even though there are more housing start-ups. if the previous Conservative Government did nothing to address the situation as the graph indicates then this is an ongoing problem. When the likes of Pee Pee buys multiple houses to rent out, then we are seeing a whopping 32% of Canadians own multiple properties!!

 

[Frankfooter]

Maybe let him build homes instead of blocking progress? Tell JT to stop bringing in immigrants until we have a place for them to live?
btw Crombie's house in the Hamptons is really cool! She is so in touch with rental issues in Toronto! haha

What has stopped DoFo?
Nothing.

He just failed.
He can't build anything.

How's that Scarborough subway shaping up?

 

[Frankfooter]

I told you my man, I accept all people as long as they don't force their garbage on me. Example, chick's with dicks in the women's washroom, climate alarmism, and how white people are born racist.

Also, where do you find the time to study transgender surgeries? I'm retired I can barely find an extra 5 minutes a day. And I use those 5 mins to browse for escorts.

So you need to tell them which washroom they can use?
You don't want anyone to force anything on you but you want to force things on other people?

 

[squeezer]

Inflationary spending, i.e. printing money is a Federal issue.

The Bank of Canada also acts as a “lender of last resort” to financial institutions in the event of a financial panic or bank run. It can do this because of its ability to create money with the click of a button.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-how-does-the-bank-of-canada-work/

Inflation affects interest rates.

Can we just say that you are a Trudeau apologist and nothing he does will ever warrant your scrutiny because you like his hair?

The spending was during the pandemic, what would a PEE PEE government have down?

Inflation is a world wide issue and every G7 country has raised the cost of borrowing.

Can we just say you prefer to live in a fictional where facts are fake news?

 

[richaceg]

He is acting as if kids are being operated on, but they are not. So it is misleading. But it is irrelevant to the discussion. What medical professionals say is what matters.

But here is how it works in Canada:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/gender-affirming-care-youth-1.7021529

All of the concerns that TomFord1980, Oracle and a few others raised are addressed in these 3 points from the article.

Do kids get medical treatment before puberty?
Canadian health-care providers broadly follow the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) standards of care, which has guidelines for patients at different stages of their development.

For kids who haven't hit puberty, affirming care means letting them explore their gender in a supportive environment. That can mean using different pronouns, trying out a new name, or letting them pick different clothes or try a new haircut.

"There is nothing medically that is done in a child [before signs of puberty]," Hodgson said.

Do kids get medical treatment before puberty?
Canadian health-care providers broadly follow the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) standards of care, which has guidelines for patients at different stages of their development.

For kids who haven't hit puberty, affirming care means letting them explore their gender in a supportive environment. That can mean using different pronouns, trying out a new name, or letting them pick different clothes or try a new haircut.

"There is nothing medically that is done in a child [before signs of puberty]," Hodgson said.

Are kids rushed into treatment?
Before puberty blockers or hormone therapy can be considered, WPATH guidelines recommend that all youth be assessed by a qualified health-care professional who has studied psycho-neurodevelopment in adolescence.

"I think that there is this assumption that people are rushing into medical care and there's no thoughtful contemplation or support," Hodgson said.

"It certainly hasn't been the experience of any of the providers that I know that are doing this care, nor of the trans population that's accessing care."

Can minors get surgery?
Surgical options, Hodgson says, aren't considered until "very, very late in care" — and almost never for patients under 18.

"I can tell you, internationally, I do not know anybody that will perform any type of genital surgery on anyone under 18 years of age."

In some very rare cases, she says, older teenagers may be eligible for chest surgery — also known as top surgery — but only if they've already had "a significant duration of care," she said.

Wait, he's acting like what? He never said what you are claiming. All he said is he don't support it, he don't support trans using women washrooms....he don't support trans in women sports...

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

Transwomen in Thailand and other eastern parts call themselves a LADYBOY, because it's an honest approach. No one brainwashed them into thinking they are actually women. They accept it and live with it.

 

[Dutch Oven]

There are 2 sexes. Male and Female (Ignoring intersex for now). There are however, many gender identities - man, woman, non-binary etc.,. You said you will accept science and evidence. I presented links for those. Science and evidence dont care about your feelings or religious beliefs.

What you call genders are actually sexual preferences and/or completely subjective outlooks about identity. Science doesn't know why people pursue sexual preferences that are at odds with biological sex, or assume identities that conflict with the reality of their biology, so science has nothing to do with the point you are discussing.

The issue most people have with alternative sexual preferences has nothing to do with sex. The problem is that too many people who wish they were a different sex seem to need other people, that is SANE people, to agree that they ARE a different sex (or a different kind of human altogether). However, no good ever comes from reinforcing delusions, and often it results in harm.

There is a contradiction in asserting differences while at the same time claiming to be the same. Both can't be true. If you are different, go ahead and be different, just stop demanding that everyone think you are the same.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Sexual preferences/orientation are whether you want your partner to be a man, woman, trans etc., Meaning who you want to have a relationship with or sex with. It is about who you are attracted to. Cis men or Cis women could be - gay, bisexual, pansexual etc., Those are sexual preferences. Similarly, trans people can have their own sexual preferences.

Gender identity is not sexual preference/orientation, but about who you are - Man, woman, non-binary etc.,

Here is a link for you to learn more:

What is Sexual Orientation? | Sexual Orientation vs Gender

Sexual orientation is about who you’re attracted to. Learn the differences between sexual orientation, gender, and gender identity.

www.plannedparenthood.org

Sexual orientation is about who you’re attracted to and who you feel drawn to romantically, emotionally, and sexually. It’s different than gender identity. Gender identity isn’t about who you’re attracted to, but about who you ARE — man, woman, genderqueer, etc.

This means that being transgender (feeling like your assigned sex is very different from the gender you identify with) isn’t the same thing as being gay, lesbian, or bisexual. Sexual orientation is about who you want to be with. Gender identity is about who you are.

You have nothing to teach. You have much to learn.

Lesson one - you can find an advocacy group and/or research study in support of anything. If you develop the ability to think critically, you will be able dismiss those which are not founded in provable fact and/or reveal inherent contradictions in reasoning.

Good luck in your journey.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Let me be the one to teach you and help you out of your ignorance, because it is the learned and aware, such as myself, that should be teaching the ignorant and insane, such as yourself and the rest of the righties in the MAGA asylum.

The first lesson for you, is that Planned Parenthood isn't an advocacy group. It is an NGO, that provides, reproductive and sexual healthcare, and sexual education globally. Let me know if you need some help googling up other links, because you don't know how to.

Lesson 2. Planned Parenthood IS an advocacy group. Their initial mission was to effect a eugenics program focused on reducing births in the African American community. Promoting sexual preferences that result in lower societal birth rates is right up their alley.

 

[Dutch Oven]

No, they are not. Their advocacy arm as I mentioned in my previous post, is the Planned Parenthood Action Fund - that is the political arm of PPFA. the PPAF, is an independent NGO itself.

If you want to ignore Planned Parenthood, how about the American Psychological Association, which is the professional body of psychologists int he US?

So continuing, Lesson1 1:

Sexual orientation and gender diversity

Sexual orientation is a component of identity that includes sexual and emotional attraction to another person and the behavior and/or social affiliation that may result from this attraction. Gender identity is one’s self-identification as male, female, or an alternative gender.

www.apa.org

Sexual orientation is an often enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both. It also refers to an individual’s sense of personal and social identity based on those attractions, related behaviors, and membership in a community of others who share those attractions and behaviors.

Transgender is an umbrella term for people whose gender identity or gender expression does not conform to that typically associated with the sex to which they were assigned at birth. Some who do not identify as either male or female prefer the term “gender nonbinary” or “genderqueer.”

Sexual orientation and gender identity are not the same thing—they are distinct aspects of being a person. Children have a sense of their gender from about ages 3–5, and people develop a sexual orientation as they mature.

Lesson number 3. Some of the craziest people not in asylums are psychologists and psychiatrists. Frankly, they will say anything (including lie) to: a) make their patients feel better, and b) stay in business. Loony patients pay the bills, not sane people.

 

[TomFord1980]

So you need to tell them which washroom they can use?
You don't want anyone to force anything on you but you want to force things on other people?

Of course we do because chicks with dicks are perverts with a mental illness. You'd want your mother to share a washroom with this freak? Not a good look my man!

 

[Frankfooter]

Of course we do because chicks with dicks are perverts with a mental illness. You'd want your mother to share a washroom with this freak? Not a good look my man!

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I hope you have a nice time with your new girlfriend.

 

[Skoob]

So basically, anything you dont "like", never mind the science or evidence. Transwomen in women's bathroom is not even in your space, so it is not being forced on you. And where do I find time? Well I guess you are old and slow and am efficient.

This is literally in the FIRST para.

Findings indicate that psychotherapists might make errors in overemphasizing, underemphasizing, or stigmatizing TGNC identities in psychotherapy sessions.

So basically, a trans person who needs appropriate care, to help them with transition, may not get the care they need. The biases and attitudes you are referring to, is transphobia. Imagine Jordan Petersen trying to help a kid transition - that kid 100% will not get the care they need. That is what this study is trying to highlight. Nice try.

Stop advocating child abuse and neglect.

Yup a huge conspiracy. Like I said, trans surgeries are the latest moneymaker in town!

Exactly...if they can make mistakes why blindly trust them to help make kids' decisions that will affect them the rest of their lives.
Not talking about trans-surgeries here...it's everything that leads up to them. Lots of money in that.

 

[Skoob]

So you cannot accept the facts then? Am I supposed to pay attention to some right wing anti-Liberal media, who want o attack the Government no matter what, even though there are more housing start-ups. if the previous Conservative Government did nothing to address the situation as the graph indicates then this is an ongoing problem. When the likes of Pee Pee buys multiple houses to rent out, then we are seeing a whopping 32% of Canadians own multiple properties!!

The Liberals posting their own propaganda are not facts.
Liberals have been in power for a decade. You can stop trying to blame the last people in power now.

People have the right to own properties just as they have the right to own any legal investments. Canada's GDP is tied closely with real-estate. So are pension plans. Jealousy will get you nowhere.
Why are you jealous about people that have invested wisely?

 

[squeezer]

It all started with man buns.

Then peeing sitting down.

Now they want to be women with dicks.

Cool.

I had a GF a while ago who begged me to have a man bun because she thought it was sexy. She told me if she moves in with me she will demand I never leave the seat up and pee sitting down. I had to let her go but man she had a great ass. Oh well, life goes on.

 

[Skoob]

What has stopped DoFo?
Nothing.

He just failed.
He can't build anything.

How's that Scarborough subway shaping up?

How about crying about using .07% of the Greenbelt for homes?
Scarborough subway is being built.
Hospitals are being built.

You just can't stand it can you?