Poilievre backs banning trans women from women's sports, change rooms and bathrooms

[Skoob]

Housing isn't federal though. And the local governments so far have been led by righties.

Wrong.
Housing falls into all levels of government.
If the Feds weren't responsible why would they be peddling their housing act and sending money to municipalities (especially now with an election on the horizon and low polling numbers right?)?
Toronto is primarily Liberal. The Feds are Liberal.

Tell me again which "righties" you are referring to?

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau stated that “housing isn’t a primary federal responsibility” at a funding announcement in Hamilton, Ont. on July 31.

This statement is neither accurate nor politically smart, with recent polls suggesting that 70 per cent of Canadians think the Liberal government isn’t adequately addressing the high and growing cost of housing.

While the word “housing” isn’t mentioned in the 1867 Constitution Act or 1982 Charter of Rights and Freedoms as a federal, provincial or municipal responsibility, the rights to “life, liberty and security of the person” as well as “equal protection” in the Charter can’t be achieved without adequate housing.

The right to housing — which Canada has promised to enforce in numerous international covenants — was enshrined in Canadian law by the current government in 2019.

Instead of taking responsibility for the housing needs of Canadians, the federal government has been participating in the same “ambiguity, turf guarding, buck passing and finger pointing” they accuse other governments of doing, as was recently seen in the treatment of refugee claimants in Toronto.

Housing is a direct federal responsibility, contrary to what Trudeau said. Here’s how his government can do better. - Building

building.ca

 

[Frankfooter]

Wrong.
Housing falls into all levels of government.
If the Feds weren't responsible why would they be peddling their housing act and sending money to municipalities (especially now with an election on the horizon and low polling numbers right?)?
Toronto is primarily Liberal. The Feds are Liberal.

Tell me again which "righties" you are referring to?

DoFo is in charge of rentals and where and how housing is built here.
He's failing.
Miserably.

Rents keep going up and he does piss all.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1762842724099584435

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1762796787331486140

 

[Skoob]

No, the feds do not have primary responsibility for housing. They do support housing initiatives but it is the provincial government under Dougie, and the local government that are responsible for housing in Toronto. Tory, Ford - the righties who did nothing for the housing situation in Toronto. Can't blame Chow as she just took office.

CMHC is a federal entity.
The Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) is Canada's national housing agency. CMHC is committed to helping Canadians access a wide choice of quality, affordable homes, while making vibrant, healthy communities and cities a reality across the country. CMHC works to enhance Canada's housing finance options, assist Canadians who cannot afford housing in the private market, improve building standards and housing construction, and provide policymakers with the information and analysis they need to sustain a vibrant housing market in Canada.
So we can't blame Chow for things that are her responsibility but praise her when she takes credit for other things? How hypocritical.



The opposition has tried to block the provincial government's progress at every turn and then cry about housing?

The Feds are responsible for inflation, interest rates, immigration. All of those things have contributed to the housing crisis that has escalated since 2015 when the Libs took over. Why do you always give them a pass?

 

[dirtydaveiii]

CMHC is a federal entity.
The Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) is Canada's national housing agency. CMHC is committed to helping Canadians access a wide choice of quality, affordable homes, while making vibrant, healthy communities and cities a reality across the country. CMHC works to enhance Canada's housing finance options, assist Canadians who cannot afford housing in the private market, improve building standards and housing construction, and provide policymakers with the information and analysis they need to sustain a vibrant housing market in Canada.
So we can't blame Chow for things that are her responsibility but praise her when she takes credit for other things? How hypocritical.



The opposition has tried to block the provincial government's progress at every turn and then cry about housing?

The Feds are responsible for inflation, interest rates, immigration. All of those things have contributed to the housing crisis that has escalated since 2015 when the Libs took over. Why do you always give them a pass?

Hate builds houses right JC ?

 

[richaceg]

They do that already. If someone experiences gender dysphoria, they dont immediately go for surgery, they go for counselling. If they are minors, they counsel them, and get them to try out things like changing their name, or pronouns or clothing etc., If after all that they still feel that they are a different gender, then surgery is an option at a later stage. Most dont do surgeries, but go for hormonal therapy.

Again, instead of being ignorant and uninformed, and being overwhelmed by personal biases, put some effort into educating yourself, and actually research the topic calmly.

More verbal diarrhea....you're throwing words "later stage" be concise....is that "later stage" still under parent supervision or not?

 

[Skoob]

DoFo is in charge of rentals and where and how housing is built here.
He's failing.
Miserably.

Rents keep going up and he does piss all.

Maybe let him build homes instead of blocking progress? Tell JT to stop bringing in immigrants until we have a place for them to live?
btw Crombie's house in the Hamptons is really cool! She is so in touch with rental issues in Toronto! haha

 

[richaceg]

DoFo is in charge of rentals and where and how housing is built here.
He's failing.
Miserably.

Rents keep going up and he does piss all.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1762842724099584435

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1762796787331486140

Such a stupid claim....you are looking only at the rental regulation...not the cause of why housing is what it is today....who's policy is it to bring in foreign students influx? immigration and refugee influx? these factors affect the housing problem we have today.

 

[Skoob]

Hate builds houses right JC ?

???who is JC? And what does your response mean?

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

Usually when they are adults. Adults don't need parental consent. Do you get parental consent before going to the doctor Rich?

Look who's taking about being adult. You're afraid of being naked in a change room designated to males and in your twisted mind everyone else must hide too. The whole point of segregation is to make people more comfortable in bathrooms and changerooms because only the same sex are allowed. Not hide behind a towel.

 

[richaceg]

Usually when they are adults. Adults don't need parental consent. Do you get parental consent before going to the doctor Rich?

So you do believe minors shouldn't have life altering surgeries...and adults can do whatever they want....just like what Peepee said...

 

[richaceg]

It is called having some manners in a public place. You don't walk around with your dick out and if you do need to have your dick out, you keep it for as short a time as possible. Lastly, you do not look or stare at someone's dick, when you are in a locker room, or even start a convo when they are naked. You need to learn some locker room etiquette. It is part of being a well mannered adult. Here is a link from Planet Fitness to help you:

https://www.planetfitness.com/community/articles/what-makes-good-locker-room-etiquette

The general rule of thumb is this: Get in, get out and nobody gets hurt. Temporary nakedness is expected when changing in or out of gym clothes. "Just keep in mind that it's a public space and not your personal naked playground," notes Tiffany Yannetta on Racked.

Keep it to a minimum, and avoid conversation when anyone involved is completely naked. It's not off limits, but anything more than a quick "Hi" or "Bye" can easily turn into a severely awkward situation. If you prefer not to change in front of others, many Planet Fitness locations offer private changing areas for your comfort and convenience.

Now am starting to wonder, is it because righties have no manners that they are worried about "swinging dicks" all the time?

So let me get this straight....as long as a perv is fully covered, he's ok to say "I'm a woman" and go to women's washrooms? that's kind of a dangerous precedent...lol...pedos would love you....

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

It is called having some manners in a public place. You don't walk around with your dick out and if you do need to have your dick out, you keep it for as short a time as possible. Lastly, you do not look or stare at someone's dick, when you are in a locker room, or even start a convo when they are naked. You need to learn some locker room etiquette. It is part of being a well mannered adult. Here is a link from Planet Fitness to help you:

https://www.planetfitness.com/community/articles/what-makes-good-locker-room-etiquette

The general rule of thumb is this: Get in, get out and nobody gets hurt. Temporary nakedness is expected when changing in or out of gym clothes. "Just keep in mind that it's a public space and not your personal naked playground," notes Tiffany Yannetta on Racked.

Keep it to a minimum, and avoid conversation when anyone involved is completely naked. It's not off limits, but anything more than a quick "Hi" or "Bye" can easily turn into a severely awkward situation. If you prefer not to change in front of others, many Planet Fitness locations offer private changing areas for your comfort and convenience.

Now am starting to wonder, is it because righties have no manners that they are worried about "swinging dicks" all the time?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being naked in a change room. People get sweaty from workouts and playing games, need to shower or they're changing after taking a swim in a pool. These are perfectly normal scenarios.

Obviously, you don't approach a naked stranger to strike a conversation. As far as everything else goes, it's just common sense, but since you don't have one, you need to be told how to behave. They even made a written etiquette for dummies. And that is for the same sex change rooms none the less.

Imagine just how uncomfortable people would get, especially biological females, when there's an opposite sex person in the same room with them under rhe circumstances described above. That is the whole point of not allowing opposite sex in public spaces.

Stop complaining. Let PP do his job when Canadians elect him and just go cry on a bench somewhere.

 

[richaceg]

You should not be naked for more than is necessary. It is not a sex club or nudist resort. You are expected to be naked, but keep it to a minimum. Like the article says, get in and get out. Obviously, since you displayed no common sense, it was necessary to provide you with a link, so you could educate yourself.

Currently, transwomen use women's restroom, because they are women. And that is protected by law - transwomen do not have to ask, nor can be stopped from using women's change rooms. Women are not bothered. Given that washrooms and change rooms are segregated by gender identity, biological sex does not matter. Only gender identity does.

You can jerk off to the idea that trans folks will be banned from using bathrooms of their choice, and that there will be a huge anti-woke cultural upheaval, if PP gets elected, but it will remain a pipe dream and you will be left ranting here on TERB.

Minors are not allowed to have surgeries in Canada in the first place. Except for some very rare circumstances.

That is the kind of perv, DesRicardo said he was. No. The person needs to identify as a transwoman, to use women's washrooms. If you are a guy purposefully going into the woman's washroom to creep, that is criminal intent. Transwomen do not have criminal intent.

Also, transwomen use women's restroom today in Canada and it is infact protected by law. They do not have to ask and no one can stop them. How many cases of "pervs" have you heard of today? I know it is often difficult for you, but, make it make sense Rich.

You know pervs will use that as an excuse to commit crime right? "identify as woman"....that's what I said, it's a dangerous precedent because we are allowing it....If you're a woman, you don't need to tell anybody you're a woman...you don't need to declare "i'm a woman" because a trans, isn't...that's why there's "trans" before the woman....that's nothing to be ashamed of....

So you do agree with Peepee....kids don't need life altering surgeries and decisions....only adults do...

 

[richaceg]

Do you understand what am saying?

Transwomen CURRENTLY use the women's restroom. They do not have to ask, nor can they be stopped. In Canada. We have not heard of any pervs pretending to be a transwoman entering a washroom and raping women. So this is a non-issue really.

Transwomen do not have to declare anything either. Transwomen are women. They can use the bathroom of their choice and no one can stop them or question them. That is the present LAW.

I agree with medical professionals, who say that and a lot more about how transwomen are women. PP isn't the authority, regardless of what he says/does not say.

so what's the issue with Peepee? all he said was not the kids...any adult can do whatever they want with their body....seems like common sense....so what medical professionals are you talking about? I presented to you a medical professional but you said she's a grifter....post some links please...

 

[squeezer]

CMHC is a federal entity.


The Feds are responsible for inflation, interest rates, immigration. All of those things have contributed to the housing crisis that has escalated since 2015 when the Libs took over. Why do you always give them a pass?

Inflation is a worldwide problem you want to leave at Justin's feet
Interest rates are controlled by the Bank Of Canada and the Federal Government is not allowed to interfere,

Immigration, yes, the Feds control it but why are you not giving Justin credit for tightening up the screws on asylum seekers?

Canada to roll back asylum access in reported agreement with US

Refugee groups condemn anticipated decision to expand Canada’s ability to reject asylum seekers at the US border.

www.aljazeera.com

"If you are a refugee claimant, you will receive a conditional Removal Order. If your refugee claim is accepted, the Removal Order will not be enforced. If you become a permanent resident of Canada the Removal Order will be void. If your refugee claim is rejected, the Removal Order will then come into force.Apr 27, 2023"

Can we just say you are a biased uninformed individual who likes to place everything at Justin's feet and kiss Pee Pee's backside?

 

[Skoob]

He is acting as if kids are being operated on, but they are not. So it is misleading. But it is irrelevant to the discussion. What medical professionals say is what matters.

But here is how it works in Canada:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/gender-affirming-care-youth-1.7021529

All of the concerns that TomFord1980, Oracle and a few others raised are addressed in these 3 points from the article.

Do kids get medical treatment before puberty?
Canadian health-care providers broadly follow the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) standards of care, which has guidelines for patients at different stages of their development.

For kids who haven't hit puberty, affirming care means letting them explore their gender in a supportive environment. That can mean using different pronouns, trying out a new name, or letting them pick different clothes or try a new haircut.

"There is nothing medically that is done in a child [before signs of puberty]," Hodgson said.

Do kids get medical treatment before puberty?
Canadian health-care providers broadly follow the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) standards of care, which has guidelines for patients at different stages of their development.

For kids who haven't hit puberty, affirming care means letting them explore their gender in a supportive environment. That can mean using different pronouns, trying out a new name, or letting them pick different clothes or try a new haircut.

"There is nothing medically that is done in a child [before signs of puberty]," Hodgson said.

Are kids rushed into treatment?
Before puberty blockers or hormone therapy can be considered, WPATH guidelines recommend that all youth be assessed by a qualified health-care professional who has studied psycho-neurodevelopment in adolescence.

"I think that there is this assumption that people are rushing into medical care and there's no thoughtful contemplation or support," Hodgson said.

"It certainly hasn't been the experience of any of the providers that I know that are doing this care, nor of the trans population that's accessing care."

According to science, puberty starts in between 8-13 years in girls and 9-14 years for boys.

You think an 8 year old has the mental capacity to make decisions of any kind when it comes to potential life changing issues?
Or do you think an 8 year old can make decisions if coached (ie coerced) by someone?

 

[Skoob]

Inflation is a worldwide problem you want to leave at Justin's feet
Interest rates are controlled by the Bank Of Canada and the Federal Government is not allowed to interfere,

Immigration, yes, the Feds control it but why are you not giving Justin credit for tightening up the screws on asylum seekers?

Canada to roll back asylum access in reported agreement with US

Refugee groups condemn anticipated decision to expand Canada’s ability to reject asylum seekers at the US border.

www.aljazeera.com

"If you are a refugee claimant, you will receive a conditional Removal Order. If your refugee claim is accepted, the Removal Order will not be enforced. If you become a permanent resident of Canada the Removal Order will be void. If your refugee claim is rejected, the Removal Order will then come into force.Apr 27, 2023"

Can we just say you are a biased uninformed individual who likes to place everything at Justin's feet and kiss Pee Pee's backside?

Inflationary spending, i.e. printing money is a Federal issue.

The Bank of Canada also acts as a “lender of last resort” to financial institutions in the event of a financial panic or bank run. It can do this because of its ability to create money with the click of a button.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-how-does-the-bank-of-canada-work/

Inflation affects interest rates.

Can we just say that you are a Trudeau apologist and nothing he does will ever warrant your scrutiny because you like his hair?

 

[Skoob]

Yes, an 8 year old is perfectly capable of identifying that at the very least they feel different. My post answers also that question. The first thing they do is counselling. Are you calling counselling, by trained and licensed professionals, "coercion"?. Are you also the type to advice people with clinical depression to just "walk it off"?

Also regarding surgery, which I forgot to post earlier:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/gender-affirming-care-youth-1.7021529

Can minors get surgery?
Surgical options, Hodgson says, aren't considered until "very, very late in care" — and almost never for patients under 18.

"I can tell you, internationally, I do not know anybody that will perform any type of genital surgery on anyone under 18 years of age."

In some very rare cases, she says, older teenagers may be eligible for chest surgery — also known as top surgery — but only if they've already had "a significant duration of care," she said.

An 8 year old can't make life changing decisions for themselves regardless of "how they feel". Counsellors can always make mistakes and improperly assess someone. Happens all the time.
We're not talking about surgery...we are talking about pre-surgery treatments that can start well before a kid has had the opportunity to fully develop.

You can continue to indoctrinate the adults into your twisted Marxist ideology.

Leave the kids alone.

 

[TomFord1980]

They do that already. If someone experiences gender dysphoria, they dont immediately go for surgery, they go for counselling. If they are minors, they counsel them, and get them to try out things like changing their name, or pronouns or clothing etc., If after all that they still feel that they are a different gender, then surgery is an option at a later stage. Most dont do surgeries, but go for hormonal therapy.

Again, instead of being ignorant and uninformed, and being overwhelmed by personal biases, put some effort into educating yourself, and actually research the topic calmly.

You seem to know way too much about this my man. Have you been through the process? Are you a chick with dick?