Poilievre backs banning trans women from women's sports, change rooms and bathrooms

[JuanGoodman]

If you resist the current government, why are you focusing on this issue?

issue of "wokeness" is the foundation of the shit show we are in at present moment

It kind of gives the game away when you keep bringing something up and then claim it isn't your fault you keep doing that.

I have no idea what you mean

Exactly. It's just about getting votes by stoking outrage.
Drumming up divisive identity issues to try and get more votes instead of focusing on real problems is what I don't want to see happen here.
That kind of cynical bullshit doesn't lead anywhere good.

will this be your first election?

this method has been always used in pretty well every election

to get the votes

See, there you go.
This is exactly the cynical US style bullshit I was afraid of.

why is my opinion bullshit?

 

[JuanGoodman]

I get it.
It's a tactic they've seen work in the US and they think can work here.
It's cynical and ugly and I'm glad to see that you admit it is just about motivating people and manipulating those you think "unsophisticated".
But I don't like it and in the thread about what we expected if PP wins, this is what I said and what I was worried about.

And here we are.

why are you worried?

what do you think will happen?

 

[JuanGoodman]

So age matters, race matters (can't pretend to be another race) but sex does not matter?

what's even more funny is that having a pussy doesn't necessarily make you a woman

but wearing a dress and a wig does

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

@Valcazar at the moment, the issue of transgenders in women's sport, dressingrooms and bathrooms doesn't affect a lot of people. However, it is a very big problem at the core. We, as society, are enabling mental disorder by putting biological women in a compromised situation. Cancel culture is very strong today and majority of people with jobs/businesses are afraid to speak out because of potential harm it may cause. Our freedoms, rights and democracy are being put to the test.

Every single epidemic or an outbrake started with a single case, then spread out. If we do not act, we will be overwhelmed down the road. Trans people and LQBT members are people and have just as many rights or more than the rest of us. They, however, cannot infringe on the rights of the rest to get ahead.

Sensible government should've been on the case long ago. Thankfully, the measures many governments, states and provinces are taking, finally catching up to the big issue.

 

[Valcazar]

why are you worried?

what do you think will happen?

Politics will get uglier, more divisive, and nastier.
Like what has happened in the US, where this tactic has been thoroughly adopted.

 

[JuanGoodman]

Having a pussy makes you biologically female. It does not necessarily have to make one, a woman.

 

[Valcazar]

@Valcazar at the moment, the issue of transgenders in women's sport, dressingrooms and bathrooms doesn't affect a lot of people. However, it is a very big problem at the core. We, as society, are enabling mental disorder by putting biological women in a compromised situation. Cancel culture is very strong today and majority of people with jobs/businesses are afraid to speak out because of potential harm it may cause. Our freedoms, rights and democracy are being put to the test.

Every single epidemic or an outbrake started with a single case, then spread out. If we do not act, we will be overwhelmed down the road. Trans people and LQBT members are people and have just as many rights or more than the rest of us. They, however, cannot infringe on the rights of the rest to get ahead.

Sensible government should've been on the case long ago. Thankfully, the measures many governments, states and provinces are taking, finally catching up to the big issue.

Well, you're clearly a lost cause on this and have bought the identity politics hook, line, and sinker.

 

[DesRicardo]

If this is true, you should be willing to have sex with a transgender SP, as long as she identities as a woman. Genitals don't matter.

Who says he isn't? He won't explicitly confirm or deny his attraction to them.

 

[JuanGoodman]

Politics will get uglier, more divisive, and nastier.
Like what has happened in the US, where this tactic has been thoroughly adopted.

politics is always ugly and divisive

it's left against right

everywhere not only US

the problem is that once the politician gets his or her vote

they just forget about all the promises and go about their business of enriching himself or herself and their friends

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

Your arguments resemble this:

 

[JuanGoodman]

Your arguments resemble this:

I agree, you brought up really good points and he dismissed them all with one phrase

that's what the woke politicians are doing too

so no wander that they are surprised at the level of backlash they are getting

 

[JuanGoodman]

in a desperate bid to return to "normalcy" - which righties think, that they can define for everybody else.

I wouldn't mind going back to the 80's

they were some really good times

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

The percentage of young people who identify as trans or non-binary in Canada is increasing at an alarming rate. This is a huge indoctrination problem!!!

I know a couple who's youngest son was accepted to a university about 2-3 years ago. Now, they have a daughter! Hormone therapy etc. This is real!

I'd love to share some statistics year by year, but can't find anything recent. Stats only go as far as 2021 and even those numbers are alarming. In Canada, over 100K trans and non-binary people in 2021 as per Stats Canada. I'm certain those numbers are much higher or else how can you have 5 trans players among 2 volleyball teams??

 

[roddermac]

Today's right wing politics is all about the culture wars. It is about demonizing immigrants, non white people, intellectuals, LGBTQ people etc., in a desperate bid to return to "normalcy" - which righties think, that they can define for everybody else.

The righties didn't demonize them. The woke left created issues that demonized those with different opinions. Immigration is not a problem but illegal immigration and mass migration is. The woke left politics demonize straight white people and speaking about intellects anyone with a different opinion on the covid narrative was censored and silenced. And just for the record the real gays and lesbians hate the LGBTQ community more than the righties do. Therw ouldn't be a culture had the wokies not created them.

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

When Kathlyn Wynn was an Ontario Premier, they introduced new sex education in middle schools. Kids now got to learn about straight and gay sex, anal play etc. Wynn's assistant who helped develop sex ed was later arrested and charged with pedophilia by the way.

When kids graduate, they go to colleges/universities where they're now taught they can be whatever sex they want.

This is systematic. Some people don't have the capacity to see the issue. They need to see 1 peace of puzzle at a time with instructions on what that puzzle represents and what to believe.

 

[squeezer]

I like this thread

at least no one is talking about Trump in here

 

[JuanGoodman]

When Kathlyn Wynn was an Ontario Premier, they introduced new sex education in middle schools. Kids now got to learn about straight and gay sex, anal play etc. Wynn's assistant who helped develop sex ed was later arrested and charged with pedophilia by the way.

When kids graduate, they go to colleges/universities where they're now taught they can be whatever sex they want.

This is systematic. Some people don't have the capacity to see the issue. They need to see 1 peace of puzzle at a time with instructions on what that puzzle represents and what to believe.

add to this today's cancel culture

"sunny days my friends, sunny days"

 

[roddermac]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1761550490871975958

Can they do the same for all of the bike lanes in the GTA

 

[roddermac]

When Kathlyn Wynn was an Ontario Premier, they introduced new sex education in middle schools. Kids now got to learn about straight and gay sex, anal play etc. Wynn's assistant who helped develop sex ed was later arrested and charged with pedophilia by the way.

When kids graduate, they go to colleges/universities where they're now taught they can be whatever sex they want.

This is systematic. Some people don't have the capacity to see the issue. They need to see 1 peace of puzzle at a time with instructions on what that puzzle represents and what to believe.

The sex education I was taught had to do with the biology of sex and reproductive organs. Not about who was attracted to who. Liberals push agenda over education.

 

[roddermac]

Because a lot of those are not opinions. They are either conspiracy theories, advocacy for oppression or straight up misinformation.

For example, what is mass immigration? How do you define it? In Canada, there is a certain target set for each year, and IRCC meets those targets. So how is meeting a target mass immigration? Righties also attribute rape, crime etc., to immigrants in a bid to demonize them as unwanted people.

Similarly, with COVID, even after the nations health agency, which is responsible for public health makes a recommendation, the righties rely on bogus science they heard on Joe Rogan. That is again not an opinion, that is pushing conspiracy theories and misinformation.

Same with LGBTQ people. Rightie "opinions" on this, is about FORCING people and not allowing them to participate equally in society. Case in point, making a big fucking deal about someone using a bathroom or a change room - the very topic of this thread.

Previously, people used to put up and shut up about it. Today they are no longer going to. Good for them. Straight, white people are not the only ones that matter. And it is precisely for the reasons you brought up "straight white people", in your argument, that rightie politics is just white identity politics. Basically, whatever you accuse the woke left of, is what the righties are doing.

Do you understand how unhinged you sound?

1. What is wrong if kids are taught about straight sex, gay sex and safe anal play? Are you really opposing sex ed on anal play, while naming yourself Mr. Greek on an escort review board?
2. I did not find any article or evidence of Wynn's assistant being charged with pedophilia. But even if that person was, what does that have to do with sex education? Do you think Wynn and her assistant sit at a coffee table to draft up sex ed, or do you think they employ experts to do it?
3. What is wrong if kids are taught in college that gender identity is fluid?

So basically, you want to suppress conversation, so things conform to YOUR IDEA OF WHAT IS NORMAL. This is actually oppressive. This is why righties fail. You can kick, scream, throw a tantrum, yell, shout, march and do whatever you want. The fundamental lack of logic and reasonableness in what you are attempting to push, is why righties lose over and over again. And will continue to do so.

Because a lot of those are not opinions. They are either conspiracy theories, advocacy for oppression or straight up misinformation.

For example, what is mass immigration? How do you define it? In Canada, there is a certain target set for each year, and IRCC meets those targets. So how is meeting a target mass immigration? Righties also attribute rape, crime etc., to immigrants in a bid to demonize them as unwanted people.

Similarly, with COVID, even after the nations health agency, which is responsible for public health makes a recommendation, the righties rely on bogus science they heard on Joe Rogan. That is again not an opinion, that is pushing conspiracy theories and misinformation.

Same with LGBTQ people. Rightie "opinions" on this, is about FORCING people and not allowing them to participate equally in society. Case in point, making a big fucking deal about someone using a bathroom or a change room - the very topic of this thread.

Previously, people used to put up and shut up about it. Today they are no longer going to. Good for them. Straight, white people are not the only ones that matter. And it is precisely for the reasons you brought up "straight white people", in your argument, that rightie politics is just white identity politics. Basically, whatever you accuse the woke left of, is what the righties are doing.

Do you understand how unhinged you sound?

1. What is wrong if kids are taught about straight sex, gay sex and safe anal play? Are you really opposing sex ed on anal play, while naming yourself Mr. Greek on an escort review board?
2. I did not find any article or evidence of Wynn's assistant being charged with pedophilia. But even if that person was, what does that have to do with sex education? Do you think Wynn and her assistant sit at a coffee table to draft up sex ed, or do you think they employ experts to do it?
3. What is wrong if kids are taught in college that gender identity is fluid?

So basically, you want to suppress conversation, so things conform to YOUR IDEA OF WHAT IS NORMAL. This is actually oppressive. This is why righties fail. You can kick, scream, throw a tantrum, yell, shout, march and do whatever you want. The fundamental lack of logic and reasonableness in what you are attempting to push, is why righties lose over and over again. And will continue to do so.

You are so clueless you could easily be our next PM. Better yet why not run for federal NDP leader. You fit the criteria.