Only 2% of Covid Deaths are Real

[TeeJay]

Not if total mortality remains unchanged.

It will always change

People reproduce
New immigrants come in

You need to factor in population changes as well


2018 we had 284,000 dead
2019 we had 287,000 dead
2020 we have 300,000 dead (with 1 month left)
Of those 12,000 are alleged to have been related to Covid (again 1 month left, and again Covid related death simply means they had Covid not that they died from Covid; eg the example of a driver in an accident being recorded as Covid positive)
Yes I rounded both figures it is easier for comparisons

2018 we had 37.1 million pop
2019 we had 37.6 million pop
2020 we had 37.7 million pop
Again rounded


There really has not been this "massive" spike in deaths (excluding the 70+ crowd) which accounts for 95% of the total Covid death figure
There also has NOT been any reduction in overall deaths (as posters such as @lenny2 keep insisting)
It really is pretty status quo


One warning StatsCan points out though is that border restrictions resulted in far less growth this year than anything in recent history


However, international migration is the main driver of population growth in Canada, accounting for 81.9% of growth in 2019/2020. Therefore, the restrictions placed on international borders and the subsequent drop in international migration levels had the largest impact on population growth in 2019/2020.

Canada admitted 284,387 immigrants in 2019/2020, down from 2017/2018 and 2018/2019 when over 300,000 were admitted annually. The vast majority of these immigrants arrived before the pandemic and the ensuing travel restrictions, with 34,271 arriving in the second quarter of 2020.

The number of non-permanent residents rose by 77,172 in 2019/2020, less than half as many as in 2018/2019 (+168,662), due to fewer study permit holders (international students) and asylum claimants in the second quarter of 2020.

 

[lenny2]

Not if total mortality remains unchanged.

In theory extreme safety measures vs covid keeping covid deaths at 10X less than they would have been otherwise would be a saving of lives even if total mortality remains unchanged due to those same safety measures reducing the typical death tolls from all other causes combined. But report after report around the globe indicates that there will probably be excess deaths this year:

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/worldwide-c-19-deaths-under-reported-by-130-000.720894/

What is obviously clear is due to lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/shutdowns-saved-young-people-from-worlds-leading-cause-of-death.722100/

 

[lenny2]

There also has NOT been any reduction in overall deaths (as posters such as @lenny2 keep insisting)

Huh? I have no idea where you got that notion. Actually i started a thread about excess deaths, i.e. an increase, not a reduction, in deaths. See my previous post for the link.

 

[RLTF]

I feel sorry for those sucked in by conspiracy theories. They endanger those around them through their careless actions based on imaginary threats. I hope they get the help they need.

 

[squeezer]

Huh? I have no idea where you got that notion. Actually i started a thread about excess deaths, i.e. an increase, not a reduction, in deaths. See my previous post for the link.

You can't talk facts to delusional folks. They pull stats out of their ass or redefine the data to fit their delusional narrative.

 

[TeeJay]

What is obviously clear is due to lockdowns:

lol you are such a copy & paste troll
Your "deaths are way down" is even more laughable when you post it DIRECTLY after I posted that deaths had not decrease in past 3 years

The non-Covid deaths are a flat line from 2018-2019-2020

So how do you explain this StatsCan aberration Lenny?

 

[lenny2]

lol you are such a copy & paste troll
Your "deaths are way down" is even more laughable when you post it DIRECTLY after I posted that deaths had not decrease in past 3 years

The non-Covid deaths are a flat line from 2018-2019-2020

So how do you explain this StatsCan aberration Lenny?

What aberration? What's to explain? WTF are you talking about? Do you have a point to make that you can state clearly in proper English?

Did you mean to say "decrease" or decreased ;

 

[lenny2]

Of those 12,000 are alleged to have been related to Covid (again 1 month left, and again Covid related death simply means they had Covid not that they died from Covid; eg the example of a driver in an accident being recorded as Covid positive)

In Canada there are estimated to be over 12.000 deaths caused by covid.

These people would have continued to live were it not for covid.

Therefore covid killed them. It shortened their life & they died before their time.

The alleged example you state is unproven, undocumented & unsupported by you & statistically irrelevant. And in the real world amongst thousands, millions & billions of decisions being made a few mistakes are bound to occur.

 

[TeeJay]

What aberration? What's to explain? WTF are you talking about? Do you have a point to make that you can state clearly in proper English?

Did you mean to say "decrease" or decreased ;

No need to say a word the numbers speak for themselves

2018 we had 284,000 dead
2019 we had 287,000 dead
2020 we have 300,000 dead

So once you deduct the Covid deaths... there is NO LIFE SAVED whatsoever

You posted thousands of times your 7 point list about how many lives were "saved" by the lockdown (eg no car crashes or abortions) yet somehow the total non-covid deaths remained the same yoy

How do you explain this away?

 

[Tomoreno]

In theory extreme safety measures vs covid keeping covid deaths at 10X less than they would have been otherwise would be a saving of lives even if total mortality remains unchanged due to those same safety measures reducing the typical death tolls from all other causes combined. But report after report around the globe indicates that there will probably be excess deaths this year:

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/worldwide-c-19-deaths-under-reported-by-130-000.720894/

What is obviously clear is due to lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/shutdowns-saved-young-people-from-worlds-leading-cause-of-death.722100/

4, 5, 6 and 7 are a joke.

HIV is about fucking, not wearing a mask.

How did Covid-19 reduce street crimes? Are criminals afraid to go outside now?

Members of loving families are not supposed to be locked in a home for months. Try living home with a wife and kids for a few months in a row. That'll definitely spice up one's sex life. And working from home in such an environment is like mastrubating with hot peppers in a hand.

People are losing their shit, incomes, businesses, peace of mind. Getting depressed, more anxiety, more alcohol, tempers flying. Oh yeah, let's have a baby now!

How many people died from alcohol poisoning, drug overdose, suicide, domestic abuse etc. since March 2020? Anyone with THAT statistics?

 

[lenny2]

No need to say a word the numbers speak for themselves

2018 we had 284,000 dead
2019 we had 287,000 dead
2020 we have 300,000 dead

So once you deduct the Covid deaths... there is NO LIFE SAVED whatsoever

You posted thousands of times your 7 point list about how many lives were "saved" by the lockdown (eg no car crashes or abortions) yet somehow the total non-covid deaths remained the same yoy

How do you explain this away?

1) First of all, we don't have the death count for 2020 yet. After all, the year isn't even over yet. So unless you pulled the 2020 number out of your ass or claim to have used a crystal ball, you should get back to me next year on that.

2) Secondly, the list i gave you of how lockdowns saved lives from car deaths, flu deaths, abortion deaths, etc, is solidly & irrefutably backed up by evidence, reason, common sense, logic, stats, etc.

3) Thirdly, the number of deaths tends to change significantly year by year as the population grows.

4) Fourthly, the number of deaths does not rise at a constant rate year after year. See:

Deaths, by month

Number and percentage of deaths, by month and place of residence, 1991 to most recent year.

www150.statcan.gc.ca

5) Fifthly you'll notice the significant difference in deaths for 2019 in the above url as compared to what you claimed for the year.

6) Sixth, the official covid death count is probably significantly an under count in many places.

7) So ,seventh, and bottom, line, your argument is quite useless & dismissed.

P.S. this is interesting:

Canadians age 85 and older account for over half of excess deaths amid COVID-19: StatCan

Canadians age 85 and older account for more than half of the excess deaths reported amid the COVID-19 pandemic, according to new data from Statistics Canada.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[lenny2]

4, 5, 6 and 7 are a joke.

Your remarks here & below are the joke.

HIV is about fucking, not wearing a mask.

LOL. Who ever said otherwise.

How did Covid-19 reduce street crimes? Are criminals afraid to go outside now?

Did you even read the remarks you quoted & are replying to. There was no claim made or implied that "Covid-19 reduces street crimes"?

Members of loving families are not supposed to be locked in a home for months.

Where was anyone locked in a home for months during 2020? I certainly haven't been. Have you.

People are losing their shit, incomes, businesses, peace of mind. Getting depressed, more anxiety, more alcohol, tempers flying. Oh yeah, let's have a baby now!

Some are. Some others have been enjoying an all expenses paid holiday courtesy of the Canadian government.

How many people died from alcohol poisoning, drug overdose, suicide, domestic abuse etc. since March 2020? Anyone with THAT statistics?

Do you have any stats or just speculation.

Thankfully the online keyboard warrior amateur after-the-fact commentating covidiots, conspiracy nut jobs, hoax advocates, C-19 existence deniers & "it's just a flu,
what's all the fuss about" folks weren't in charge. Then all hell would have broken loose (think Armageddon like) & it wouldn't be just a couple million dead, but more
like 20,000,000, to say nothing of those suffering from "long covid" & the longterm economic impact of that. Good job, health experts. Hallelujah!

 

[MissCroft]

5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced

Did you even read the remarks you quoted & are replying to. There was no claim made or implied that "Covid-19 reduces street crimes"?

I can't say that I'm actually surprised that you never read the post that you keep copying and pasting over and over, ad nauseum. lol

 

[Tomoreno]

I can't say that I'm actually surprised that you never read the post that you keep copying and pasting over and over, ad nauseum. lol

 

[Tomoreno]

Your remarks here & below are the joke.



LOL. Who ever said otherwise.



Did you even read the remarks you quoted & are replying to. There was no claim made or implied that "Covid-19 reduces street crimes"?



Where was anyone locked in a home for months during 2020? I certainly haven't been. Have you.



Some are. Some others have been enjoying an all expenses paid holiday courtesy of the Canadian government.



Do you have any stats or just speculation.

Thankfully the online keyboard warrior amateur after-the-fact commentating covidiots, conspiracy nut jobs, hoax advocates, C-19 existence deniers & "it's just a flu,
what's all the fuss about" folks weren't in charge. Then all hell would have broken loose (think Armageddon like) & it wouldn't be just a couple million dead, but more
like 20,000,000, to say nothing of those suffering from "long covid" & the longterm economic impact of that. Good job, health experts. Hallelujah!

Lenny, in that alternate reality of yours all men on earth would've died, except YOU!
You'd be the only one left.
It'd be up to you and sperm banks to repopulate.
All women would turn to you!
You could be God like, making more people in your image.
You'd be the ultimate Service Provider.
They'd hail your name.
HAIL LENNY!

 

[lenny2]

I can't say that I'm actually surprised that you never read the post that you keep copying and pasting over and over, ad nauseum. lol

Why are you posting ridiculous idiotic nonsense? Because trolling is your thing today?

Ditto for posts #35 & #36 above by Tomoreno.

 

[MissCroft]

Why are you posting ridiculous idiotic nonsense? Because trolling is your thing today?

I expected a response like that because you have no other way of responding.

It's not a big deal - people make mistakes. But it takes a big person to admit it.

Ad hominem:

Definition of AD HOMINEM

appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect; marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

And if you are going to argue about ad hominem arguments, you should practice what you preach. I'm a troll? Seriously?
With all due respect, you clearly are resorting to insulting me because you have no defense.

 

[shack]

I can't say that I'm actually surprised that you never read the post that you keep copying and pasting over and over, ad nauseum. lol

In his defense the deniers, hoaxers, anti-maskers etc. are posting nonsense over and over, ad nauseum.

Do you read his 7 points each time?

 

[MissCroft]

In his defense the deniers, hoaxers, anti-maskers etc. are posting nonsense over and over, ad nauseum.

True.

 

[doggystyle99]

It will always change

People reproduce
New immigrants come in

You need to factor in population changes as well

2018 we had 284,000 dead
2019 we had 287,000 dead
2020 we have 300,000 dead (with 1 month left)
Of those 12,000 are alleged to have been related to Covid (again 1 month left, and again Covid related death simply means they had Covid not that they died from Covid; eg the example of a driver in an accident being recorded as Covid positive)
Yes I rounded both figures it is easier for comparisons

2018 we had 37.1 million pop
2019 we had 37.6 million pop
2020 we had 37.7 million pop
Again rounded

There really has not been this "massive" spike in deaths (excluding the 70+ crowd) which accounts for 95% of the total Covid death figure
There also has NOT been any reduction in overall deaths (as posters such as @lenny2 keep insisting)
It really is pretty status quo

One warning StatsCan points out though is that border restrictions resulted in far less growth this year than anything in recent history

However, international migration is the main driver of population growth in Canada, accounting for 81.9% of growth in 2019/2020. Therefore, the restrictions placed on international borders and the subsequent drop in international migration levels had the largest impact on population growth in 2019/2020.

Canada admitted 284,387 immigrants in 2019/2020, down from 2017/2018 and 2018/2019 when over 300,000 were admitted annually. The vast majority of these immigrants arrived before the pandemic and the ensuing travel restrictions, with 34,271 arriving in the second quarter of 2020.

The number of non-permanent residents rose by 77,172 in 2019/2020, less than half as many as in 2018/2019 (+168,662), due to fewer study permit holders (international students) and asylum claimants in the second quarter of 2020.

You are completely factually challenged to say the least and that's putting it politely. Here are some facts that you being TeeJay with the inability to read and understand have avoided.

The 300,000+ deaths in 2020 so far are as of October 5th, which is with almost 3 months of deaths remaining in the year that will be added to that total.
As of today there are roughly another 2,900+ deaths alone from COVID in that timeframe. By the end of the year 2020 should be about 20,000+ more in deaths than 2019. All of this number represents excess deaths (learn what that means) and are a direct result of COVID.
No COVID and the roughly 20,000+ deaths in 2020 will not happen.

Although you being the uninformed person thinking 20,000+ more in deaths in 2020 than 2019 is not a spike but it represents roughly a 7% increase in the number of deaths and the very high majority of people minus a few COVIDIOTS view that as a significant increase year over year. It really has no bearing the age of the people that have died as those for the very high majority would have been alive today had it not been for COVID.

Your irrational assertion and I quote "Covid related death simply means they had Covid not that they died from Covid; eg the example of a driver in an accident being recorded as Covid positive"
There is not a single case in Canada of a driver dying in a car accident and being listed as a Covid death. I am sure you on the other hand have heard of some sort of anecdotal evidence of such thing happening

As well your irrational assertion that other causes of deaths are not down are just as usual wrong. For eg car accidents in 2020 are down from 2019.
As of September this year 2020 there were 179 road fatalities in Ontario meanwhile in 2019 as of October there were 237 road fatalities, when adjusting that number for the month difference it shows a reduction of 20% year over year in road fatalities. Obviously in the mind of a "Very Stable Genius" who views 20,000 deaths as insignificant I am sure he views a 20% decrease also as not significant but in majority of rational thinking people's mind it is. I would take a guess that there are many categories from deaths that have seen a reduction as well in 2020 year over year, but hey feel free to carry on with your nonsense.

The beautiful and unstabe mind of the "Very Stable Genius" crowd. It is what it is