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Only 2% of Covid Deaths are Real

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People who died of Covid were mainly the poor, and majority of those (98%) already had a pre-existing medical condition that caused the outcome of Covid to be far worse


Among the report’s grim statistics is a finding that 98 per cent of Canadians who died of COVID-19 in hospital had at least one underlying medical condition.

“Where you live … or where you don’t have a home” is a critical factor affecting health, said Dr. Theresa Tam, as she released a sobering report that outlined the destructive swath cut by COVID-19 across Canada, with worse outcomes in neighbourhoods of cities like Toronto and Montreal, where lower income and racialized workers often don’t have the luxury of working from home, and face worse outcomes from the disease.
 
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Aaaaaaandanother episode of The Family Guy- TeeJay's TERB Edition..... co-starring:

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TeeJay

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The Spanish Flu pandemic ran in four waves over more than 2 years. The second wave (which we now seem to be in with COVID) was the deadliest.
Except the 1st wave of Covid was far more deadly; percentage of fatality is like 5X as much

My personal take is that we have ID far more Covid patients now the majority of whom are asymptomatic or think they simply have a flu

Otherwise the only reasonable explanation is the virus has run its course and most of us are immune or resistant
A virus does not become less virulent over the span of a couple of months unless our bodies improvise
 

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A virus does not become less virulent over the span of a couple of months unless our bodies improvise
Most viruses tend to become less virulent as they mutate. Could perfectly be the case with Covid-19. We already see that the death rate is already much lower then early March.

The number one goal of a virus is to replicate. To spread. If you die the virus dies too. Missing it's goal.
 

lenny2

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"President Trump retweeted the [false] claim"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53999403

"The US has not reduced its Covid-19 death toll to 6% of total":


“So the numbers you’ve been hearing — the 180,000-plus deaths — are real deaths from Covid-19. Let [there] not be any confusion about that,” Fauci said."

Way over 200K now.
 

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"No, the US Covid death toll has not been altered

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says it has been deluged with queries about false rumours the official tally of Covid-19 deaths is drastically lower than the publicised headline figure of about 185,000.

Social-media posts making this bogus claim have been circulating widely on the internet.

And one re-tweeted by President Trump was removed by Twitter for breaching its guidelines.

What exactly is the claim?

The claim, being amplified by supporters of QAnon conspiracies and others, is that only 6% of the total number of people with coronavirus on their death certificate actually died from the virus.

This is misleading and not true.

It's correct to state of all the death certificates in the US that mention Covid-19, only 6% mention no other illnesses.

However, 92% of the total clearly state Covid-19 as the underlying cause of death. So while a patient may have had lung problems or diabetes referred to on their certificates, coronavirus has been given as the main cause of death.

The CDC also says the death certificates may include conditions caused by coronavirus, such as respiratory issues.

This information on death certificates has featured for months on CDC's website, with regular updates.

Read more here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/business-54023357
 
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"CDC Did Not ‘Admit Only 6%’ of Recorded Deaths from COVID-19

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention hasn’t drastically reduced the number of deaths attributable to COVID-19, but posts making that bogusclaim have been circulating widely — with the help of President Donald Trump, who retweeted one such claim on Aug. 30.Twitter has since removed the original tweet, which came from an account dedicated to the pro-Trump conspiracy theory QAnon. But the claim is still readily available on all the major social media platforms. In fact, the same QAnon account that posted the now-deleted tweet includes a screenshot version featuring the president’s retweet.

The post Trump highlighted said: “This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid. That’s 9,210 deaths. The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age.”

But that’s not what the CDC information says.

In weekly updates provided on the CDC’s website, the agency includes information on additional conditions present in patients who died with COVID-19. These other illnesses or conditions found to be present in a patient are called comorbidities. The agency also includes a chart detailing the number of patients with each additional condition.

For the week referenced in the claim, the CDC explained that the chart “shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.”

That means that 6% of those who died with COVID-19 through Aug. 15 didn’t have any other reported conditions.

It does not mean that the CDC has “quietly updated” the number of deaths associated with COVID-19 to a fraction of what had been reported. It’s also not new information; the agency has been providing the same information since May.

Asked about Trump’s tweet during a press briefing on Aug. 31, though, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said that “he was highlighting new CDC information that came out that was worth noting.”

At that time, the total number of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. had passed 183,000, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, and the total number of cases across the country had passed 6 million.

McEnany said that the president was not trying to downplay the death toll.

The following morning, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, clarified what the CDC data mean.
He noted that the 6% figure includes cases where COVID-19 was listed as the only cause of death. “That does not mean that someone who has hypertension or diabetes who dies of Covid didn’t die of Covid-19. They did,” Fauci said on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

“So the numbers you’ve been hearing — the 180,000-plus deaths — are real deaths from Covid-19. Let [there] not be any confusion about that,” Fauci said.

Other versions of the claim are misleading, rather than being strictly false. One example is a headline on the conservative outlet Gateway Pundit, which announced: “This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID-19 Numbers – Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID-19 Alone – Rest Had Different Other Serious Illnesses.”

The president retweeted a link to that, too, and the phrase “only 6%” trended on Twitter.

Several media outlets flipped the percentage and reported that 94% of COVID-19 deaths had “underlying medical conditions.”

But the data on which all of this is based come from death certificates, which list any causes or conditions that contributed to a person’s death. In the case of COVID-19, the disease often causes other serious conditions, such as pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome. Those two conditions are among the ailments with the highest counts in the CDC’s comorbidity chart. Some long-term conditions that increase the risk for severe COVID-19, such as diabetes or hypertension, were also listed.

The underlying cause of death, however, is the condition that started the chain of events that led to a person’s death. In 92% of all deaths that mention COVID-19, that disease is listed as the underlying cause of death, Jeff Lancashire, spokesman for the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics, told FactCheck.org in an email.

As the epidemiologist and science writer Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz explained in a recent post, “it’s pretty rare that someone wouldn’t have at least one issue caused by coronavirus prior to their death, and all it means is that in 94% of cases people who had COVID-19 also developed other issues, or had other problems at the same time.”

Meyerowitz-Katz notes that influenza and pneumonia are listed as the most common concurrent diseases, which isn’t surprising. “Similarly,” he writes, “respiratory failure, something that the coronavirus directly causes, is listed here as a ‘comorbidity’ that 55,000 people had.”

So, it’s misleading to say that 94% of those who died with COVID-19 also had other ailments without explaining that the disease causes other serious illnesses. And it’s wrong to claim that only 6% of the recorded COVID-19 deaths were caused by the disease.

Update, Sept. 2: In an interview with Fox News’ Laura Ingraham that aired Sept. 1, Trump made this false claim himself, saying, “I saw a statistic come out the other day, talking about only 6% of the people actually died from COVID, which is a very interest[ing], that they died for — from other reasons.”

Ingraham corrected him, explaining that those who die from COVID-19 often have other conditions, but COVID-19 “might ultimately have been the key morbidity.”

“But it’s an interesting statistic,” Trump responded.

Editor’s note: FactCheck.org is one of several organizations working with Facebook to debunk misinformation shared on social media. Our previous stories can be found here.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cd...from-covid-19/
 
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Only 2% of Covid Deaths are Real
False.

See my previous 3 posts in this thread.

100% of covid caused deaths are deaths caused by covid.

Presently that's over 1 million & would be 10 times that already without extreme safety measures.
 
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Except the 1st wave of Covid was far more deadly; percentage of fatality is like 5X as much

My personal take is that we have ID far more Covid patients now the majority of whom are asymptomatic or think they simply have a flu

Otherwise the only reasonable explanation is the virus has run its course and most of us are immune or resistant
A virus does not become less virulent over the span of a couple of months unless our bodies improvise
Looking at the daily covid deaths chart below, they have remained similarly high for all the months from April to October:

 

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False.

See my previous 3 posts in this thread.

100% of covid caused deaths are deaths caused by covid.

Presently that's over 1 million & would be 10 times that already without extreme safety measures.
Russia and Brazil have been reporting Covid deaths as flu to keep their death toll numbers down.
 

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In the first week of November, not one province or territory reported a single patient hospitalized with the flu, compared with 60 during the same week a year ago.

In 2019, provinces reported 147 lab-confirmed cases of flu the first week of November. This year, they reported four.
Extreme safety measures (lockdowns, distancing, masks, contact tracing, washing, etc) are working & saving lives. As expected.
 

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Extreme safety measures (lockdowns, distancing, masks, contact tracing, washing, etc) are working & saving lives. As expected.
Not if total mortality remains unchanged.
 
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