he,s a lock , not a longshot. great 2 way player, arguably best left winger in the game, IMHO.
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NHL: Who is a definite Hall of Famer playing today?
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.Using those guys as examples, it would take a very solid but not great player who played on a dynasty that won a lot of Cups and they became more highly regarded because of that. Unfortunately, I don't think that there are any current teams that can match the dynasties of the late 70's Habs, the early 80's Islanders or the Oilers after them. The Hawks had 4 in 6 years but even the Pens only had 4 in 9 years. Tampa has a leg up on being a dynasty.
Mark my words, once the Leafs win 4 cups in a row and his career is over, Nylander will be considered for the HHOF.
Man I keep on thinking though that Steve Larmer isn't in there and they're going to end up with similar stats.he,s a lock , not a longshot. great 2 way player, arguably best left winger in the game, IMHO.
So consider Kris Letang then......https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=80459
3 time cup champion, 6 all star games, NHL second team all star twice,
He's quietly been a consistent presence on the Pens blue line for years now. Very underrated.
Gillies was part of a dynasty and an all-time great line.
Larmer was part of nothing significant.
Therein lies the difference.
There is that but also Larmer had more goals and points in both regular season and playoffs, won an individual trophy and played in two all star games which Gillies did neither...Gillies did win 4 Stanley Cups but Larmer did win one.
When you think of it, Larmer had a much better career...
Steve Larmer played in the highest scoring era in NHL history. I did a calculation the other day where I estimated how many goals Ovechkin would have had if he started in the Gretzky Era. (Starting in 1980)
Ovechkin would have had 957 goals instead of 741 goals … a difference of 29%!
As Larmer started around the same time as Gretzky and Marchand started the shortly after Ovechkin, you could similarly add at least 25% more goals to Marchand if you want to compare him to Larmer and adjust for era differences.
Marchand would have also missed about 70 games due strike and covid.
For Letang I would pretty much repeat all I said for Roman Josi.
He has developed a good resume for a low tier / wait a while to get in hall of fame candidate. But over time I would think he gets in.
While Josi has the Norris, Letang has not. But he had 4 top 6 finishes and 7 top 10 finishes. The only retired player with that many top 10 finishes who is not in the Hall is Sergei Gonchar.
But the bid advantage for Letang over Josi or Gonchar, is 3 Stanley cups as a core player / top D on a team.
Pitt also won in 2017 when Letang was injured and didn't play in the playoffs.
That year they won with a no name defense which included Hainsey.
That year they won with a no name defense which included Hainsey.
I think that you may be discounting the importance of being an important part of one of the greatest teams of all time. And on the best line of that team.
I think that Peyton Manning was a better QB than Tom Brady but Brady played for a better organization and won more SBs.
For playing on a championship team Gillies got his rings...standards for HOF induction should be higher than just playing on the team.
Nobody will debate on wither Peyton Manning or Tom Brady belong on the FHOF...unlike Clark Gillies.
You are right. It SHOULD be higher. But this is just the way that it seems to work in hockey. Hence we have guys like Carbonneau in the HoF. (I think that Gainey is more worthy than Carbonneau.)
