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Insidious Von

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Deshaun Watson has a ruptured Achilles tendon, he's gone for the rest of the season. It could be a blessing in disguise, no football team has fucked themselves over worse than the Cleveland Violets.

With all due respect to the Estate of Jesse Owens, and now for my next trick, Derrick Henry.

 
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dirtydaveiii

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Deshaun Watson has a ruptured Achilles tendon, he's gone for the rest of the season. It could be a blessing in disguise, no football team has fucked themselves over worse than the Cleveland Violets.

With all due respect to the Estate of Jesse Owens, and now for my next trick, Derrick Henry.

I would say the Jets hold the title now for fucking themselves over fawning over a useless QB
 

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Trent Dilfer won a superbowl in 2000 so there is that factor. Most receivers are wildly overrated. There are only a couple of 'magical' guys in the league but even they wont perform if the ball doesnt get thrown to them. When Brady started he was a Trent Dilfer. He did what Bill told him to and they were successful. Later on in his career he became a super elite QB, but never would have made it there if he wasnt on the right team with the right players
 
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princekwekua

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Please, you're attempting to equate Clark, Branch and Brown with Rice and Gronk?

No one's buying it, stop trying to peddle the unsellable.

This kerfuffle started with the crowning of Purdy as the new GOAT after just 6 games under his belt.

6 games with an elite team filled with many elite playmakers.

Now that his elite playmakers are hurt and he is without them his premature crowning as the new GOAT looks fuckin foolish.

Stop trying to deflect and defend.

You were probably going to crown Baker Mayfield as the new-new GOAT considering how he has started this season, BUT after losing Godwin and Evans to long term injuries, he will befall the same fate as Purdy has this year which leads to this one long held, tried and tested truism of professional football:

No matter what the football hype machine attempts to make you believe, what it comes down to is that football is a team game, a total team games, the ultimate team game. Always was, is and will be.
Deion Branch was the SB 2004 MVP. But he was a non-entity. So congratulations 😂
 

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Trent Dilfer won a superbowl in 2000 so there is that factor. Most receivers are wildly overrated. There are only a couple of 'magical' guys in the league but even they wont perform if the ball doesnt get thrown to them. When Brady started he was a Trent Dilfer. He did what Bill told him to and they were successful. Later on in his career he became a super elite QB, but never would have made it there if he wasnt on the right team with the right players
BTW, the year Tom Brady had Randy Moss, he was bested by Eli Manning and his bunch of no names
 

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BTW, the year Tom Brady had Randy Moss, he was bested by Eli Manning and his bunch of no names
The 2007 Patriots. 18-0 going into the SB. Greatest offense, greatest team and greatest single season by a QB in NFL history facing a wild card team. Monster double digit point spread.

The difference?

The Giants D, rushed, hurried, knocked down, sacked and fracked Brady like no team that season.

The Patriots averaging something like 35 points or so a game were:

HELD TO 14 POINTS, not by Eli, his receivers or the Giants offence but by THE GIANTS DEFENCE which was by the far the ultimate factor in the greatest upset in NFL history.

You fawn over the NFL hype machine way too muchest.

Today's hype flavor is your flavor, yesterdays was also yours before it was superseded by todays and tomorrows will always be yours too because the NFL hype machine says so.
 
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K Douglas

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Yeah. Our pool is ATS.

Keep in mind that all the factors you've mentioned have been taken into account by Vegas. And probably 100 more. How can we possibly think that we know which factor(s) the oddsmakers over or under valued. We're kidding ourselves if we think that we rationalize that "the coach got fired" so I'm betting against them. Or whatever. We can't "outfigure" the pros.

Vegas knows this and factored it in.
Vegas knows this and factored it in.
Vegas knows this and factored it in.
I haven't seen the spreads yet, but if that's case, most likely.
Vegas knows this and factored it in.

Things like injuries during a game are unpredictable and are like a wild card that totally changes a game.

I went through a 20 something year period where I looked at about 20 parameters and applied them to every game and every week, like home vs. away, AFC/NFC, Home dogs etc. Every parameter was close to 50% either way. The biggest difference I found was that when the spread was between 7 and 10 the dog covered about 52.5% of the time. So the diff between taking dog vs. fave was about 5%. Surprisingly, when the spread was more than 10, the dog covered at a lower %age. So, it doesn't matter who the teams are, what their record is, who is injured etc., etc., it only mattered how far off Vegas was from 50/50. The more they missed by on a particular parameter, would be my main consideration as to whom I'd bet on. I was evaluating the performance of Vegas, not the teams.

If you're betting real money with a bookie, you're still probably going to lose because the 10% juice is more than any parameter I looked at. But if you're betting in a pool where there is no juice, it may give you a slight advantage.

Listen, KD, I know you are very knowledgeable and have done quite well, but if anybody thinks that they know more than Vegas and which factors are more important is deluding themselves. IMO.
I never said that I think I know more than Vegas. Which is why I don't bet the farm I do this recreationally with fuck around money. Its entertainment.
But Vegas is never perfect they do get things wrong from time to time. And from time to time to mitigate their losses in these scenarios they just pay off the league to manipulate the outcome.
Interesting stat on the +7 dog covering 52.5% of the time. Over how many seasons did that stat apply? This year so far the +7 or more dogs have covered 8/13 with 1 push. In 7 of those 8 covers they have won outright.
 
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dirtydaveiii

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I never said that I think I know more than Vegas. Which is why I don't bet the farm I do this recreationally with fuck around money. Its entertainment.
But Vegas is never perfect they do get things wrong from time to time. And from time to time to mitigate their losses in these scenarios they just pay off the league to manipulate the outcome.
Interesting stat on the +7 dog covering 52.5% of the time. Over how many seasons did that stat apply? This year so far the +7 or more dogs have covered 8/13 with 1 push. In 7 of those 8 covers they have won outright.
you obviously dont know how betting works - its not like its the house against you like the casino. They put in betting lines to get more action, not what they think will actually happen
 

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I never said that I think I know more than Vegas.
I know you didn't explicitly say that. However, when somebody lists factors of why they like a certain team, they are implying that Vegas didn't consider that factor enough. Hence the implication is that they know more than Vegas. And also keep in mind that Vegas considers more factors that we didn't even know existed and probably has actuaries and algorithms. This not just you but any other bettor, and all the "experts" on TV, radio, blogs, newspapers etc. etc. Nobody can top Vegas, nobody. I'm sure that they do make mistakes but to try and pick them out prior to Sunday is a damn tough task.


Which is why I don't bet the farm I do this recreationally with fuck around money. Its entertainment.
That's part of my point. Vegas doesn't fuck around. They can't afford to make mistakes. There's too much money and careers and livelihoods at a stake. IMO, the only way somebody can get a leg up on Vegas is if somebody has some very significant inside info that even Vegas doesn't know about. It has to be a family member or a very close friend of a player who has leaked some info to them.

Interesting stat on the +7 dog covering 52.5% of the time. Over how many seasons did that stat apply? This year so far the +7 or more dogs have covered 8/13 with 1 push. In 7 of those 8 covers they have won outright.
I did this for over 20 years but stopped at least 10 years ago, so the numbers I've quoted may be off a bit and I added parameters to look at along the way so some are a smaller sample size.

However, I still have my notebook at the bottom of a drawer somewhere. I shall retrieve it at some point and give you all the results I came up with.
 

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Two QBs have a chance to redeem themselves. Andy Dalton of the Panthers is sidelined by a car accident so Bryce Young will be the starter. And with Deshaun Watson out for the season, the talented but erratic Jameis Winston has been named the starter for the Browns. Marcus Mariota did well replacing Jayden Daniels. Let's see if the maligned Young and Winston will seize the opportunity
 

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Two QBs have a chance to redeem themselves. Andy Dalton of the Panthers is sidelined by a car accident so Bryce Young will be the starter. And with Deshaun Watson out for the season, the talented but erratic Jameis Winston has been named the starter for the Browns. Marcus Mariota did well replacing Jayden Daniels. Let's see if the maligned Young and Winston will seize the opportunity
Interesting. When Watson got hurt they brought in the other QB. Winston was actually the 3rs string QB.
 

Insidious Von

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Chris Berman used to call the NFC North, the Norris Division. NFL referees are attention whores, thet should be officiating the WNBA.

 

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I know you didn't explicitly say that. However, when somebody lists factors of why they like a certain team, they are implying that Vegas didn't consider that factor enough. Hence the implication is that they know more than Vegas. And also keep in mind that Vegas considers more factors that we didn't even know existed and probably has actuaries and algorithms. This not just you but any other bettor, and all the "experts" on TV, radio, blogs, newspapers etc. etc. Nobody can top Vegas, nobody. I'm sure that they do make mistakes but to try and pick them out prior to Sunday is a damn tough task.


That's part of my point. Vegas doesn't fuck around. They can't afford to make mistakes. There's too much money and careers and livelihoods at a stake. IMO, the only way somebody can get a leg up on Vegas is if somebody has some very significant inside info that even Vegas doesn't know about. It has to be a family member or a very close friend of a player who has leaked some info to them.

I did this for over 20 years but stopped at least 10 years ago, so the numbers I've quoted may be off a bit and I added parameters to look at along the way so some are a smaller sample size.

However, I still have my notebook at the bottom of a drawer somewhere. I shall retrieve it at some point and give you all the results I came up with.
See if you can extricate your circa 1940s Football Basics for Beginners hardcover amidst all that betting paraphernalia.

You guys kill me.

Rename this thread:

NFL 20244 Regular Season BETTING THREAD.

And move it the Lotto and Gaming Forum.
 

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See if you can extricate your circa 1940s Football Basics for Beginners hardcover amidst all that betting paraphernalia.

You guys kill me.

Rename this thread:

NFL 20244 Regular Season BETTING THREAD.

And move it the Lotto and Gaming Forum.
You've bitched an whined before about betting, but if the NFL and betting were not so inextricably linked to each other, the sport would not be the behemoth you enjoy that it is now. Deal with it.
 
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You've bitched an whined before about betting, but if the NFL and betting were not so inextricably linked to each other, the sport would not be the behemoth you enjoy that it is now. Deal with it.
Behemoth that I enjoy now?

Take your and the others betting behemoth to the lotto and gaming forum where it truly belongs.
 

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Tony Romo, Troy Aikman, Chris Collinsworth are all analysts great at dissecting plays. Not the newly minted Tom Brady. Platitudes and cliches are all he is good for. Nowhere near as good as the Greg Olsen he replaced. And for a whopping $375 million over 10 years. Shambolic. Cant stand his rubbish.
 

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Tony Romo, Troy Aikman, Chris Collinsworth are all analysts great at dissecting plays. Not the newly minted Tom Brady. Platitudes and cliches are all he is good for. Nowhere near as good as the Greg Olsen he replaced. And for a whopping $375 million over 10 years. Shambolic. Cant stand his rubbish.
wow. i didnt realize brady took Olsens job. Olsen was A PLUS in his observations, hopefully hear him somewhere else.
 

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wow. i didnt realize brady took Olsens job. Olsen was A PLUS in his observations, hopefully hear him somewhere else.
Greg Olsen is still with FOX but now as the number two analyst. He went from making $10 million a year to $3 million a year with the demotion. No fault of Brady, though.
 

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Behemoth that I enjoy now?

Take your and the others betting behemoth to the lotto and gaming forum where it truly belongs.
That's some pretty thin skin you've got there. You complained last year and you'll be complaining next year. Deal with it. It's not going away.

BTW, I went 0-3 on my bets last week.
 
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