TBH, I don't even know why Israel is a left or right thing anyways. I look at it as a morality/Western style democracy thing. Israel's society is more similar to our N. American style of life than any Arab Nation. They share more of our values. Israel contributes to the world in terms of medicine, science and technology and shares much of it with the world. Palestinians don't. (I know you disagree with a lot of the characterizations and you have lots of counterpoints, but I'm just pointing out my own personal reasonings in an attempt to show that it's not a left/right thing for me. Nothing that I'd care to debate at this time. They are just my feelings.)
Israel purports to be a western style democracy while neither having a constitution nor codifying equality in the law like every other western nation has. Yes, Israel is a developed country but you are confusing wealth, education etc with morality.
No way to prove it one way or the other, but I think it's pretty balanced and a reflection of our home, Toronto. If anything Toronto is more left leaning than right and I think that TERB is as well. Having said that, I have been surprised by some of the right wing rhetoric and opinions. But we have radical lefties here as well. (Is Geno watching?)
Its skews right wing as evidenced by the opinions expressed here and that brings me to the next point below.
We already have a number of testimonials from others in just this thread that declare that it is
you who is at a disadvantage in terms of logic. I don't recall anybody coming to your defense declaring that you are a brilliant debater. Only you.
Let's agree that the majority rules.
You reaching for moral support from fellow right wing members itself is a sign of weakness. You need to be able to defend your points on your own and prove me wrong by presenting facts. Not group think. And the ones who are so offended, are all right wingers. So as I said, right wing opinions on me or my posts do not matter, as I think very little of them in the first place. It is inevitable and my posts are made with the intent to challenge them, and be relentless about it. And not let them get away with the last word especially when their posts come from a place of hate.
You've admitted your extreme bias and posted "opinions" of other anti-Semites and even some misguided Jews. They are not facts. It proves nothing. I could post opinions of others that would say that he is a brilliant, logical speaker who can back up every single one of his claims with facts, history and a sense of morality. He is always cool, calm and collected because he has the confidence derived from the validity of what he says as opposed to a guy like Cenk Uyghur whose veins are popping out of his neck because he's a Jew hater and has to resort to lies. Murray stymies him every time, as in the Piers Morgan debate. Cenk looked foolish. His anger stems from the fact that he is afraid of being challenged, like a bully is.
So, what you posted about Murray is one-sided, and as such, irrelevant.
We could have a battle of references but it would prove nothing to either of us.
You've respectfully stated your opinion and I've attempted to do likewise. I don't see a need to further this particular discussion as it will most likely degenerate into something more nasty. I'm pretty mellow right now and would like to stay that way.
Yup people like Noam Chomsky, Finkelstein, Gideon Levy, Ilan Pappe, Avi Schlaim and others who are far more qualified than you or I are misguided Jews, but Douglas Murray, the British right wing blowhard is not?
You have to consider who considers Murray a brilliant, logical speaker. The ones who do are all Islamophobes, right wing nuts or people who have such opinions. Murray is able to be calm and collected because he supports a side that has military and political power in the west. So in reality he is not calm. He is being arrogant. Cenk gets angry, because he is fighting for a side that is powerless and he is speaking in a setting where the majority of people are pro-Israel despite the atrocities committed by Israel. Cenk gets angry because this pro-Israel position is fundamentally rooted in racism, and that pisses him off. As it does the majority of us who are pro-Palestinian. And as it does anyone who is a decent human being who respects people from all backgrounds regardless of their culture, religion, upbringing or economic status.
And what I posted were not my characterizations of Murray but academic characterizations of Murray. So they were neutral and unbiased opinions.
You can disengage if you like.
This is a recent one. See my post and your typical reaction to it.
I could search for more, but why bother? Goodnight Pseudo.
Yeah. And go read my response. Do a cursory google search on India's birth rates that I mentioned, or about what I said about Korea. And see if I am lying about it. On top of this you were making apples to oranges comparisons between Korea and India. This is what passes for intellectual in your world? Lol. Goodnight King Pseudo.
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