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Kautilya said:
I have the full debate bookmarked and will watch the entire thing. Not just the 6 minute monologue. But I did watch the vote at the end and at the beginning. Before the debate started 61% were for the motion. This is Canada which is very pro-Israel on the whole. How many of those pro-Palestinian students and protestors were invited to this debate? So it was inevitable that Mehdi would lose because the audience was already pro-Israel. And it is not clear what the diversity of the audience was.

So yes, the "debate" was mostly a sham. Had Murray won the debate in Turkey or with a predominantly Muslim audience or something, I'd have more respect.
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But the official verdict recorded for history shows that Murray won the highly prestigious and respected Munk debate. I'm glad we established that.

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For anyone who wants to watch the whole thing:

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Thanks for the link.
 
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shack said:
Have you ever lied on TERB?
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No, Shazi, why would I bother lying on an anonymous board?
The Shazi counter - remember this?
27 accusations of lying, 44 intentional misquotes (straw man arguments) - 0 proof



You have forfeited the right to quote the UN, Geno.

You ignore the UN's words when they call on Hamas to immediately and unconditionally return the hostages. That was months ago.
You ignore the UN's words when they call on Hamas to accept the latest proposal for a ceasefire that Israel and the US have accepted.
You ignore the UN's words when they tell us Hamas raped Israeli women and mutilated them before killing them.

You lie about what was said by the UN and/or and make excuses for Hamas not complying. But you cannot change the exact words of the UN, that have been posted here for all to see.

You are a total hypocrite when it comes to selectively invoking the UN's statements. Until you stop the double standard hypocrisy, you can take your UN references and shove them where the sun don't shine.

Based on your history here, it is safe to declare that your pictures are not legit.
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Now you're lying, Shazi.
Its Israel that is refusing to honour those UN resolutions, not Hamas.
Hamas has said thy agreed, Israel has never done so.

Do you really think this means Israel is agreeing to ceasefire and abide by the UNSC resolutions?
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We don't hate you. We're just laughing at your lack of intellect while you remain so smug.

BTW, I am not even close to being a right winger. I may be pro-Israel but I am pro gun control, pro-choice, anti-climate change denial, I favoured covid vaxxing etc., etc.

See, that's the point. The reality is that you now have 5 people that you've debated that can attest to the fact that you have no sense of what logic entails. You don't win debates. People just give up trying to make you understand simple facts so they just stop trying.
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yes... the ultimate hypocrite. Left on all issues except your support of Israeli genocide.... very strange indeed. Tell us again, oh great liberal thinker, how 270 civilians had to be killed in order to release 4 Israeli hostages on June 6th.
 
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NotADcotor said:
But are you not Pro Hamas. If so you are about as anti ethnic cleansing and anti genocide as Paul Bernardo is anti rape

Hamas, as part of its revised 2017 charter, rejected "any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea", referring to all areas of former Mandatory Palestine and by extension, the end of Jewish sovereignty in the region.[3][37][38] Islamic Jihad declared that "from the river to the sea – [Palestine] is an Arab Islamic land that [it] is legally forbidden from abandoning any inch of, and the Israeli presence in Palestine is a null existence, which is forbidden by law to recognize.[39] Islamists have used a version "Palestine is Islamic from the river to the sea".[40]

The 1988 Hamas Charter has been characterized as antisemitic and genocidal.[4][36] The charter holds Jews collectively, extending beyond Israelis, responsible for various global issues, including the two world wars.[7] In an effort to moderate Hamas' public perception, a revised charter was issued in 2017, maintaining the goal of a Palestinian Islamic state to replace what it deems as an illegal and illegitimate Israel.

According to The Economist, referring to Hamas' 1988 charter advocating Israel's eradication and the UN genocide definition, Hamas can be characterized as a genocidal organization. In line with this analysis, "Hamas fighters who burst into Israel on October 7th and killed more than 1,400 Israelis (and other nationalities) were carrying out the letter of their genocidal law

So knowing this I assume you as well as Frankie and his Indian "professor of logic" will in your anti genocide and anti ethnic cleansing views at the very least drop your support of Hamas

Oh who am I kidding, of course not. That would require a degree of intellectual honesty and self knowledge that the terb hate crew don't have.
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You correct in that I am not Pro Hamas. In fact I despise Hamas just as much as I despise Netanyahoo.
 
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wigglee said:
You correct in that I am not Pro Hamas. In fact I despise Hamas just as much as I despise Netanyahoo.
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Well then I guess I will take you at your word and stand corrected.

Wait, this is the internet, I can't do that.

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The only thing that you are proving is how pervasive anti-Semitism is. It is endemic in almost every walk of life as it has been for thousands of years. That was part of Murray's winning argument. Anti-Semitism is shape shifting. Thanks for proving his point.
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Brainwashed. Simpering.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Now you're lying, Shazi.
Its Israel that is refusing to honour those UN resolutions, not Hamas.
Hamas has said thy agreed, Israel has never done so.
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You don't fool anyone.

Direct orders from the UN have been issued. Hamas was told to immediately and unconditionally return the hostages. They have not done so. Admit it. Until then your claims are without merit and will be ignored/unaddressed.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Israel is apartheid, not democratic. Those are not western values.
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Is stoning gays a western value?

Apartheid has nothing to do with democracy. They are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Every Israeli citizen gets a vote in a free election. That is democracy.

The blacks in S. Africa did not get a vote. That was but ONE aspect of S. African apartheid.

Please show us the UN resolution, and it's #, that declares that Israel is practising apartheid as they did with S. Africa in 1963. Hint: there is none. As you've declared, we must always follow what the UN says.

So all we get is more lies and falsehoods from you, Geno.
 
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wigglee said:
yes... the ultimate hypocrite. Left on all issues except your support of Israeli genocide.... very strange indeed. Tell us again, oh great liberal thinker, how 270 civilians had to be killed in order to release 4 Israeli hostages on June 6th.
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I've said dozens of times that I am not beholden to any political dogma left or right or otherwise. I attempt to judge every issue on its' own merit and come to my own conclusion.

No individual or organization is always right. And no political ideology is always correct. To say I'm a hypocrite for not always following one side, means that someone can only be not hypocritical by being brainwashed and never thinking for oneself.
 
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You don't fool anyone.

Direct orders from the UN have been issued. Hamas was told to immediately and unconditionally return the hostages. They have not done so. Admit it. Until then your claims are without merit and will be ignored/unaddressed.
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Shazi, those orders were given to both Israel and Hamas.
You can't fool anyone by trying to argue that only Palestinians have to obey.
Hamas aren't even members of the UN, as Israel is.
Only Israel is bound to abide by UNSC resolutions.

Meanwhile, the ICJ has twice laid provision measures on Israel which Israel has refused to honour as well.
So not only is Israel refusing to honour dozens of UNGA and UNSC resolutions, they are also in deep shit with the ICJ and ICC.

Now you've made Palestinians become the 'Jews' of the 21st century.
The people that are now seen as the victims of mass racism and hate.

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