Let’s all just support Israel in this awful war to save their country from invaders
Munk Debate on Zionism
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Just found this thread. Looks like Kautilya lives rent free in the heads of shack and his nanny who is not really a doctor, after being thrashed around in a few debates. 
Oh and by the way back on topic. Nice work, quoting a Nazi in support of Zionism and discrediting yourself one more time. That right there should prove to you, that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism.
Academic and journalistic sources have variously described Murray's ideology and political views as conservative, neoconservative, far-right, alt-right and Islamophobic.Murray is a regular critic of immigration and Islam. British journalist and broadcaster Peter Oborne described Douglas Murray as an anti-Muslim polemicist.
Murray has been accused of putting a socially acceptable face on far-right ideologies. Murray has also been described as promoting far-right conspiracy theories, including the Great Replacement theory, the Eurabia conspiracy theory and the cultural Marxism conspiracy theory.
Here is Benjamin Moser, an actual Pulitzer prize winning Jewish author:
Anti-Zionism is the default Jewish position. Therefore to say antizionism is antisemitic, is antisemitic.
Anti-Zionism isn’t the same as antisemitism. Here’s the history.
Oh and by the way back on topic. Nice work, quoting a Nazi in support of Zionism and discrediting yourself one more time. That right there should prove to you, that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism.
Academic and journalistic sources have variously described Murray's ideology and political views as conservative, neoconservative, far-right, alt-right and Islamophobic.Murray is a regular critic of immigration and Islam. British journalist and broadcaster Peter Oborne described Douglas Murray as an anti-Muslim polemicist.
Murray has been accused of putting a socially acceptable face on far-right ideologies. Murray has also been described as promoting far-right conspiracy theories, including the Great Replacement theory, the Eurabia conspiracy theory and the cultural Marxism conspiracy theory.
Here is Benjamin Moser, an actual Pulitzer prize winning Jewish author:
Anti-Zionism is the default Jewish position. Therefore to say antizionism is antisemitic, is antisemitic.
Anti-Zionism isn’t the same as antisemitism. Here’s the history.
The only ones who condemned the Jews for not having a state are the Europeans. Palestinians have nothing to do with it and they should not have to pay for European crimes.
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You can add me to that fan club. As you may know, I'm no fan of Zionism or Israel. But I respect those who can argue and disagree logically.
This guy can't. In separate threads, he assumed me and another poster were white, just because our views differed from his.
He can't comprehend that POC can think for themselves.
I can point you to a few more right wingers on this board who hate me. So you guys can go ahead have your own little Kautilya hate party.
You guys forget I think very little of right wingers, anti-immigrant crusaders, anti-Palestinians, Zionists etc. So I actually relish the hatred.
And I have logically argued all of your points that you have raised. You dont want to admit that you were wrong while accusing me of the same.
PS: You've talked trash about India many times. So I still have my doubts about who you are. But its a fruitless exercise on an anonymous board and so I will leave it at that.
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AKA, why would I watch someone whom I know is my intellectual superior and speaks the truth? It's better to be cowardly and remain ignorant.
We don't hate you. We're just laughing at your lack of intellect while you remain so smug.
BTW, I am not even close to being a right winger. I may be pro-Israel but I am pro gun control, pro-choice, anti-climate change denial, I favoured covid vaxxing etc., etc.
See, that's the point. The reality is that you now have 5 people that you've debated that can attest to the fact that you have no sense of what logic entails. You don't win debates. People just give up trying to make you understand simple facts so they just stop trying.
You have disengaged from reality.
How long till you switch to another nickname, Geno?
The only thing that you are proving is how pervasive anti-Semitism is. It is endemic in almost every walk of life as it has been for thousands of years. That was part of Murray's winning argument. Anti-Semitism is shape shifting. Thanks for proving his point.Just found this thread. Looks like Kautilya lives rent free in the heads of shack and his nanny who is not really a doctor, after being thrashed around in a few debates.
Oh and by the way back on topic. Nice work, quoting a Nazi in support of Zionism and discrediting yourself one more time. That right there should prove to you, that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism.
Academic and journalistic sources have variously described Murray's ideology and political views as conservative, neoconservative, far-right, alt-right and Islamophobic.Murray is a regular critic of immigration and Islam. British journalist and broadcaster Peter Oborne described Douglas Murray as an anti-Muslim polemicist.
Murray has been accused of putting a socially acceptable face on far-right ideologies. Murray has also been described as promoting far-right conspiracy theories, including the Great Replacement theory, the Eurabia conspiracy theory and the cultural Marxism conspiracy theory.
Here is Benjamin Moser, an actual Pulitzer prize winning Jewish author:
Anti-Zionism is the default Jewish position. Therefore to say antizionism is antisemitic, is antisemitic.
Anti-Zionism isn’t the same as antisemitism. Here’s the history.
The only ones who condemned the Jews for not having a state are the Europeans. Palestinians have nothing to do with it and they should not have to pay for European crimes.
If Hitler, or Trump or any other fascist for example, walked up to me and said "I laugh at your lack of intellect, you smug son of a bitch", I'd smugly laugh back at his lack of intellect because I think very little of him in the first place. Essentially those opinions mean nothing to me.
The people I debate are either right wingers or Zionists such as yourself, or anti-immigrant crusaders. You may not be right wing on other issues, but you are certainly far right in your blind support for Israel.
This board skews right wing. Left wingers are going to be hated. And I bask in that hatred lmao. Infact the more you hate, the better it is.
Oh and if you were to embrace facts and actually provide sources and arguments of substance I can be convinced. But you don't. You just engage in talking points and trolling.
See you talked about logic while displaying none of it. I literally posted who Doug Murray was - a far right neo-Nazi and an Islamophobe. And I quoted Benjamin Moser who is Jewish and pulitzer prize winning author and you repeat some talking point about anti-semitism. You are cheapening the word.
Okay, here is Shulomit Atoni talking about antisemitism, the former Israeli education minister:
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Is that why you only watch the teletubbies?
Shazi, you really need to stop trying to claim you are superior.
Its KKK like supremacy that has lead you to justify killing women and children you think are subhuman.
Just for you I'm going with Shazi for a little while.
Reality?
zionists are blowing the legs off about 10 kids a day
‘Most of our patients were children’: US health workers recount missions to Gaza
Even after surviving horrific bombing injuries, patients in Gaza’s few working hospitals are still dying from infections due to lack of medical supplies while many victims are children, US health workers returned from the war-torn territory have said.
Adam Hamawy, a former US army combat surgeon, told the AFP news agency that humanitarian aid must enter Gaza in “sufficient volumes to meet the demands”.
“The level of civilian casualties that I experienced was beyond anything I’d seen before,” Hamawy said in an interview following a medical mission to Gaza’s European Hospital last month.
“Most of our patients were children under the age of 14,” said the 54-year-old medic, who has volunteered in warzones and natural disaster-hit countries for the past 30 years.
“You could give all you want, you can donate,” Hamawy said.
“But if these borders [in Gaza] don’t open up to allow that aid to get in, then it’s just useless,” he said.
This really is your moral hero, someone you think is even smarter than yourself?
‘Islamophobe’ of the Year
I have been honoured to receive a number of awards in my career. Yet one which I have especially yearned for has so far eluded me. Now it seems finally within my grasp. Since I began writing I have dearly hoped to catch the eye of the judges for the ‘Islamophobe of the Year’ title. There
www.spectator.co.uk
Doesn't mean much. The debate is being hosted in a very pro-Israel country, Canada and the debate itself was hosted by an organization that was established by someone Jewish, so not sure about the diversity of the audience invited to the debate. Especially because the majority were pro-Israeli to start with as evidenced by them being 61% for the motion even before the debate started.
And you have not? I seem to recall you speaking ill of Modi and his ilk.
I've also criticized Israel, at which point you claimed I was from Pakistan or Bangladesh.
But then again, I've also criticized Muslims, so what does that make me now?
Is it possible I'm just someone who considers each issue independently?
Modi is not India. I criticize his Hindu Nationalism, not his Prime Ministership or India. I did not claim you were from Pakistan or Bangladesh. I asked you if you were, because you talked trash about India while criticizing Israel. And sure you could be someone who considers each issue independently, but as I said it is a fruitless exercise trying to guess where you are from. So I will leave it at that.
Why does it matter where I'm from? It's because you devolve to ad hominem attacks when you can't attack the argument.
"Well, you're just a White/Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Jew so that's why you have this position."
How is that any different from "you're just a goyim/kafir/infidel/heretic/fascist/Nazi etc."?
No further explanation required. The true hallmark of a pseudo-intellectual.
TBH, I don't even know why Israel is a left or right thing anyways. I look at it as a morality/Western style democracy thing. Israel's society is more similar to our N. American style of life than any Arab Nation. They share more of our values. Israel contributes to the world in terms of medicine, science and technology and shares much of it with the world. Palestinians don't. (I know you disagree with a lot of the characterizations and you have lots of counterpoints, but I'm just pointing out my own personal reasonings in an attempt to show that it's not a left/right thing for me. Nothing that I'd care to debate at this time. They are just my feelings.)
No way to prove it one way or the other, but I think it's pretty balanced and a reflection of our home, Toronto. If anything Toronto is more left leaning than right and I think that TERB is as well. Having said that, I have been surprised by some of the right wing rhetoric and opinions. But we have radical lefties here as well. (Is Geno watching?)
We already have a number of testimonials from others in just this thread that declare that it is you who is at a disadvantage in terms of logic. I don't recall anybody coming to your defense declaring that you are a brilliant debater. Only you.
Let's agree that the majority rules.
You've admitted your extreme bias and posted "opinions" of other anti-Semites and even some misguided Jews. They are not facts. It proves nothing. I could post opinions of others that would say that he is a brilliant, logical speaker who can back up every single one of his claims with facts, history and a sense of morality. He is always cool, calm and collected because he has the confidence derived from the validity of what he says as opposed to a guy like Cenk Uyghur whose veins are popping out of his neck because he's a Jew hater and has to resort to lies. Murray stymies him every time, as in the Piers Morgan debate. Cenk looked foolish. His anger stems from the fact that he is afraid of being challenged, like a bully is.
So, what you posted about Murray is one-sided, and as such, irrelevant.
We could have a battle of references but it would prove nothing to either of us.
You've respectfully stated your opinion and I've attempted to do likewise. I don't see a need to further this particular discussion as it will most likely degenerate into something more nasty. I'm pretty mellow right now and would like to stay that way.
It doesn't matter. That's why I left it at that.
And all my arguments have been backed up by actual facts and stats. I always present articles, statistics, and numbers.
Whereas you engage in strawmen arguments and racial or cultural stereotyping.
"Oh these guys must be from India and they are bringing their cultural values from their old country" - Racial or cultural stereotyping.
"Oh if we should allow pluralism in Canada, then should we also allow <insert negative things about any 3rd world country>" - Strawman arguments.
How many arguments have you presented where you actually presented stats, research or facts to back your statements? The above two are your only strategies. Now THAT is truly pseudo-intellectual.
You've posted so many lies and fake, unsubstantiated photos, Geno, that you have no credibility. Your images are all photoshopped propaganda.Just for you I'm going with Shazi for a little while.
Reality?
zionists are blowing the legs off about 10 kids a day
BTW, if you had a good, cutting name for me you'd stick with. When I mention Geno, everybody automatically knows that I'm referring to you. It's perfect, because you've accused so many of us as supporting genocide that it no longer has any resonance. Just like the boy who cried wolf, you've overused it.
Geno, I sometimes forget what your actual handle is.
