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Mr. Trudeau Going Full Adolph

Dutch Oven

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What kind of socks do you wear to a Nazi reception? I guess the press buried those pictures!
 
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richaceg

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mellowjello

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They definitely should. This was not just about optics.

And holding Trudeau accountable, is how leadership works.
Your argument was about what " they see".
If it's about absolute right or wrong and culpability, what anyone sees from outside our country is irrelevant.
 

mellowjello

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Both are important. What is right or wrong is important. How other countries view Canada is also important. I was using "what they see" to stress the point that the PM is responsible for representing Canada and therefore should take responsibility for the mistake.
Even if he wasn't responsible and the Speaker is independent of any party?
 

JuanGoodman

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Why is it a Liberal action? Do you understand how the Speakers is selected and how his office operates?
Who cares about the Speakers office

He invited the guy to attend but it was Trudeau's and Liberals responsibility to check everybody that was on the list of invited people!

It's not the Speaker who is suppose to provide security for a foreign dignitary in Canadian Parliament, it's the party in power and the prim minister and every security department that's involved

Liberal followers are such dimwits that it's enough to tell them "The Speaker did it" and they believe it blindly.

The speaker issued the invitation, the goverment suppose to check everybody before they were allowed to enter
 
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JT finally folded...he knew

You don't think Nazi's shouldn't pay for the atrocities they commited 80 years ago? Let's round up all the neo Nazis you know and have evidence and put them in jail...why isn't Trudeau doing anything about 'em?
Richie, you don't just "round people up". You need proof.

This shit happened 80 years ago. All the witnesses have died of old age.
 

mandrill

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How long are you guys gonna run with this?

A mistake was made. Apologies were given. Let's face it..... All of you geniuses would have made exactly the same mistake, right? You knew nothing about this issue before The Sun figured it out for you.

Probably just me, Xmontrealer and maybe Dcotor would have guessed what the guy's background is.

And hey - geniuses!!! - read that Wiki article. The Canadian government gave the 14 SS Division a clean bill of health 50 years ago. They're going to do fuck now. Neither would the Tories.

You know what's REALLY important??!!..... The Trump fraud trial in New York.

And no. No one's going to extradite a 98 year old. Hate Nazis all you want. But the old fucker's 98 years old. It ain't going to happen. And no one would trust the Polish government to do a fair prosecution in any event. Plus all the witnesses are long dead.

I'm going to count how many pages you guys have your "Fuck Trudeau!" fest on this one!!! 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹
 

JuanGoodman

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How long are you guys gonna run with this?

A mistake was made. Apologies were given. Let's face it..... All of you geniuses would have made exactly the same mistake, right? You knew nothing about this issue before The Sun figured it out for you.

Probably just me, Xmontrealer and maybe Dcotor would have guessed what the guy's background is.

And hey - geniuses!!! - read that Wiki article. The Canadian government gave the 14 SS Division a clean bill of health 50 years ago. They're going to do fuck now. Neither would the Tories.

You know what's REALLY important??!!..... The Trump fraud trial in New York.

And no. No one's going to extradite a 98 year old. Hate Nazis all you want. But the old fucker's 98 years old. It ain't going to happen. And no one would trust the Polish government to do a fair prosecution in any event. Plus all the witnesses are long dead.

I'm going to count how many pages you guys have your "Fuck Trudeau!" fest on this one!!! 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹
just because you belong to 'Suck Trudeau" group doesn't mean that most normal people are not pissed at what happened and that out prince is diverting the blame that squarely falls on him

yet again
 

mellowjello

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Who cares about the Speakers office

He invited the guy to attend but it was Trudeau's and Liberals responsibility to check everybody that was on the list of invited people!

It's not the Speaker who is suppose to provide security for a foreign dignitary in Canadian Parliament, it's the party in power and the prim minister and every security department that's involved

Liberal followers are such dimwits that it's enough to tell them "The Speaker did it" and they believe it blindly.

The speaker issued the invitation, the goverment suppose to check everybody before they were allowed to enter
Which foreign dignitary are you talking about?
 

mellowjello

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That is again irrelevant to this particular discussion of Trudeau being responsible for inviting a Nazi to the parliament.
Was it Trudeau that invited him, how do you know?
And what do you mean by Nazi, like Goebbels or Himmler? Was he a high ranking officer who bought into the whole thing and
worked towards a superior race, a Nazi who was intent on killing Jews, or some guy that joined a Nazi outfit to fight for Ukrainian independence
from Russians who were responsible for the death of millions and millions of Ukrainians.
What kind of Nazi was he, or does it matter because you just want to bury Trudeau?
 

mellowjello

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This is an official event, hosting a world leader, who is currently engaged in war and Canada's official position is to support NATO, Ukraine and the war effort. The war effort is being undermined by Russian propaganda of denazification of Ukraine.

And then a Ukrainian guy, who served in the Waffen SS shows up in the parliament, and Zelensky and Trudeau and everyone is pictured clapping and giving the guy a standing ovation.

Why does Trudeau have to invite him and why does the guy have to be any sort of villainous character? The guy could have just strolled into the parliament, or crawled through the air duct and fell into the chamber. That does not matter. If it reflects badly on Canada, Trudeau is automatically responsible. That is how leadership works.

Why is this so difficult to understand?
Because you're more concerned about optics and how it reflects on Canada,
and because you can't or won't try to grasp why he would have joined that unit.
What is so difficult to understand that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
He joined an outfit that allowed him to fight against a dominating power that controlled his country and killed millions and millions of Ukrainians.
Does it matter to you that he may in fact have been a hero for fighting a brutal oppressor, or context doesn't matter?
What's so difficult to understand?
So again, what kind of Nazi was he?
You say it's not about optics, but all your writing culminates to that.

According to you, every American that trained Bin Laden and al-Qaeda and helped fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan are terrorists, and whoever the President was should pay the price.
Were all Italian soldiers Nazis because they allied with Germany at the beginning of the war?
And how do you know that Trudeau invited him, I don't know if he did or not, how do you know?
 

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He invited the guy to attend but it was Trudeau's and Liberals responsibility to check everybody that was on the list of invited people!
I can't believe that's true. Imagine if the ruling party had final say in who was allowed to speak in or visit Parliament? The outrage we would have been hearing over the years anytime the opposition or a minority party had a guest denied would've been deafening.

I have no experience in parliamentary security, but I just can't believe that's true. It must be a bipartisan or unaffiliated group of some kind. But didn't PP say he didn't think Hunka was a security threat? So on what grounds would be be denied? It's not up to whoever is in charge of security to evaluate correctness or morality, merely security.

I'm not saying Trudeau wouldn't carry some, or even most, of the blame. But facts matter, and I'd love to know what they are including whether the ruling government has final official responsibility for vetting guests.
 
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