Mr. Trudeau Going Full Adolph

[RZG]

Yes safe to say Trudeau's behaviour the last couple of months has been a shocking disappointment.

But I would call out Trudeau for this gaffe with Hunka even without the spat with India.

The needless focus on "process" is just deflection on your part. Common sense is what is needed. Canada's image isn't just within Canada. Its as perceived by the world. The world does not care about Canada's internal processes nor do they have any patience to learn about them. So regardless of who invited Hunka, or what the process is for vetting people, the only thing people see is that a Nazi was given a standing ovation by Trudeau (and by extension Canada), and Zelensky who is already accused of Nazism by Russian propaganda. So yes, Trudeau needs to be called out for this, as he is Canada's representative and therefore responsible.

Before we look at the Nazi and India debacles, what about Communist Chinese election interference? This teflon douchebag Trudeau has gotta` be laughing like crazy. What the fuck is going on in our country?

 

[RZG]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1708988985446658108

Vile, evil, repulsive, useless cunt. Like Homolka with Bernardo. She couldn`t manage a rub `n tug.

 

[basketcase]

I dont care about Hunka. I care that he was in the Parliament. The world cares that he was in the Parliament. You should too.

The world doesn't actually care other than a talking point. Canada accidentally recognizing and old Nazi has no impact on actual governing other than causing emotional distress to Holocaust survivors.

Far more important things to worry about like inflation and which countries are sending hit teams to kill Canadian citizens.

 

[Frankfooter]

This is not a minor incident. The world does care. Particularly the ones involved in the Ukraine war, care.

Left wingers who don't believe in common sense, do not have a great history here either. Case in point, how Pierre Trudeau ignored India's warnings and refused to take the Khalistanis seriously, only to have it bite him back in the ass when they bombed a plane and killed 329 people, 288 of them Canadian.

No, this story is dead now.

 

[Frankfooter]

I saw it on the news even today, so clear it is not. Any case am sure it will blow over some day, but if it is just a story to you, then that is the start of your problems.

That was yesterday.
Today the US is finding their own new speaker and the NDP were elected in Saskatchewan.

The cons nationally are not doing well.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709327515498500108

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709234412557107265

Hey Mitch, how many Canadian podcasts do you think make $10 million a year that will have to register now?

 

[Not getting younger]

No, you just care about attacking the PM over the speaker's actions.
That's all this is about.

You don't care about the facts or the process, all you care about is attacking Trudeau because he called out Modi.

I’m guessing you didn’t listen to Freeland struggling hard to answer a straightforward question when she like JT just couldn’t regurgitate talking points. Why do you think that is Frank? Did you listen at all? Nope. Jeez talk about missing things.

Im also guessing you somehow didn’t hear her say how hurtful it was to the world. Nor do you seem to understand why that is important. Shock!!!

How many Pierre’s or Fords gaffes are making headlines all over the world Frank. Laughing at him, or criticizing him…hello???

Is JTs separation or many many other gaffes all making headlines around the world? Do you know anything about politics and diplomacy?

In your own words Frank.
Explain Diplomacy and diplomatic relations.Fruitless I know, Frank won’t even answer or attempt or can’t many easier things.

Here’s yet another definition for you Frank.
Head of State
“the chief public representative of a country, such as a president or monarch, who may also be the head of government.

 

[basketcase]

I dont care about Hunka. I care that he was in the Parliament. The world cares that he was in the Parliament. You should too.

So you would condemn India's government recognizing a Waffen SS guy?

PM Modi to pay tribute to Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose at Parliament on his birth anniversary

New Delhi [India], January 22 (ANI): Prime Minister Narendra Modi will pay floral tributes at the portrait of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose in the Central Hall of Parliament House on his birth anniversary on Monday. Lok Sabha Speaker Om Birla, Leaders of parties in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha...

theprint.in

 

[Frankfooter]

No, not at all. Subhas Chandra Bose is a national hero and a freedom fighter.

India is a non-western country and we do not have a history of anti-semitism. Infact, India is the most pro-Israel country in the world. We also do not even learn about the holocaust, etc in school. In India the focus is on Indian history. Nazism, the holocaust etc is European history. I myself learned about the holocaust by watching Schindler's List.

Subhas Chandra Bose fought for India's freedom, and his intent in joining the Nazis had nothing to do with Jews but everything to do with fighting the British to defeat colonialism.

So he is regarded as a national hero in India and treated as such.

Contexts and histories matter.

OTOH Hunka whether or not he was out to kill jews should not have showed up in parliament in a western country. Now that has a different meaning here.

So you think Indian Nazis are ok?

 

[Frankfooter]

There are no Indian Nazis. Nazism is a western ideal. On the other hand you seem to be okay with Canadian terrorists.

Racial supremacy is not just a western ideal. You know that the Hindu caste system was built on supremacy just as much as you know that Hindu Nationalism is a movement based on racial supremacy. Just because India doesn't have a Jewish population doesn't mean there aren't similar beliefs behind both movements. Even now you are calling a Nazi an Indian hero after you've repeatedly demeaned both Pakistanis and Sikhs.

 

[Frankfooter]

"Race" is not a thing in India. It neither exists in history, nor in common parlance. If you go to a rural Indian guy and ask him what his race is, he will ask you what "race" means or if you are referring to a horse race lol.

I would agree that in terms of impact to people, casteism or racism really makes no difference in how people suffer. But to say that the caste system was built on racial supremacy is outright wrong.

The caste system was a social hierarchy based on vocation that was developed 1000s of years ago. So there were Brahmins - who were priests and teachers, Kshatriyas - the rulers and the warriors, Vaishyas - the tradesmen, merchants and land owners, the Shudras - the servants, and the Dalits - untouchables who did dirty jobs like cleaning the streets, toilets, etc., Over the years thousands of castes developed.

In the past there was substantial caste violence, but today it is extremely reduced to the extent that we mostly don't even hear about it.

When it does happen it is usually political or retaliatory (like a guy from one village beats up a guy in another village during an altercation, so they go back and bring their own gang to the fight). For example, when I was in college one of my classmates belonged to a lower caste called "Vanniyar". We did not know he belonged to that caste, because in India you do not ask a person for their caste as a matter of social etiquette and rules. The only reason we knew he was a Vanniyar dude, was because Vanniyars have formed a political party called PMK. One of my other classmates talked trash about this political party, and this other guy got so pissed off for it. This is an example of a political reason due to which you could have caste violence.

Or it is more to do with tribalism - and on this one, sometimes lower castes discriminate against higher castes too. Particularly in government jobs. Because of affirmative action a lot of the government jobs are filled with people from lower castes. If a Brahmin were to apply there may be cases where they will not give him an offer, and instead recruit one of their own. Similarly, even if two castes are at the same "status", there are cases where they choose to self segregate. In almost all of these cases, the people involved are primarily rural or uneducated. If you consider contemporary India, no one gives a fuck about caste barring a few outliers.

Similarly Hindu Nationalism, regards everyone as Hindu, regardless of their actual religion. They consider Hinduism to not be a religion but a way of life. And that people of India, follow the "Hindu" way of life. That is why groups like RSS have Christian and Muslim wings. I don't agree with that, because ultimately it forces a certain "culture" on people, but again it has absolutely nothing to do with racial supremacy.

This does not mean Indians cannot be racist. They most certainly can. But caste and Hindu Nationalism are not racial supremacist ideals. So you comparing them to Nazi ideals is comparing apples to oranges.

Subhas Chandra Bose therefore, joined the Nazis because he fought the British, to free India from the colonial power. Therefore he is a national hero and a freedom fighter. Not a Nazi.

Race can only be based on culture, religion and skin tones. Biologically all humans are the same race, there is more genetic diversity between any one group of humans than between two different groups you would call 'race'.

Caste and Hindu Nationalism are race based. It is why Islamaphobia is a form of racism.

 

[Frankfooter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709720175690334461

There is no way she is making $10 million annually on podcasts.
This legislation will not affect her.

 

[richaceg]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709957031963062501

If the gov't can't stand the heat...they don't stay out of the kitchen, they simply ban the cook from cooking...JT's government is running out of corners to run to... he's moves has been back firing let and right...

 

[Frankfooter]

There's no such rule, as the $10 million/yr rule, for podcasts!!

Its in the legislation.
Read it.

 

[Frankfooter]

I don't disagree with what you said about biological race - it is not even a scientifically accurate taxonomic classification.

But caste and Hindu Nationalism, are neither race based, nor do they share any similarities with Islamaphobia.

Islamaphobia is xenophobia. Not racism. Caste and HN have nothing to do with xenophobia either.

In any case caste, Hindu Nationalism or Islamaphobia for that matter have nothing to do with Nazism and the corresponding ideals of racial superiority.

Of course they do.

Do some basic research on race and genetics. There are no genetic 'races' of humans. We are all the same.
Even skin colour will change over generations, if you move a group of humans further from the equator their collective skin colour will lighted over 50 generations.

 

[Frankfooter]

That is what I meant when I said I agree with that statement. Race is a social construct. Not a biological one.

Where you are wrong is in saying Islamaphobia, casteism, Hindu Nationalism etc., are all "racist". Nazism is about biological superiority driven nationalism. Islamaphobia is xenophobia. Hindu Nationalism is an identity, a political and social philosophy. Casteism is social stratification based on vocation. They are all different things.

There is no biological basis, so Hindu Nationalism, Islamaphobia, Castes and Nazism are all based on social constructs.
The big difference is how far they go to back their supremacy.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes they are all social constructs. But they are not the same social constructs.

Therefore they cannot be compared. Its apple to oranges.

Of course they are all different social constructs but they are all based on variations of the same theme.
'this group of humans is better than that group of humans because of skin colour, religion, language, accent or any other term you want to use'

 

[Frankfooter]

They are not the same. Your definition there, "this group of humans better than that group of humans" - is precisely what all of them are not. That is just the definition of racism or xenophobia, but not the rest.

Its the same. Castes, Islamaphobia, Hindu Nationalism, white nationalists, zionism, Nazism et al just use different terms to identify the group/tribe they think are superior to other groups.

Xenophobia just says 'people from other countries' instead of 'people who worship x' or whatever other term you want to use.

 

[Frankfooter]

No. Its not the same as I explained earlier. Lumping everything you don't like together is lazy. They aren't remotely the same even though there may be some similarities in impact.

You didn't explain anything.
You posted your opinion.

 

[Frankfooter]

I did explain caste and Hindu Nationalism in detail. In a subsequent post I explained how they were all different too. May be you did not read it.

You stated your views which don't clearly explain why you think Castes aren't a form of racial supremacy, same as you think about Hindu Nationalism.
The only real difference is that you believe in a couple so think they are different.