As long as they don’t let you in a restaurant where I am dining it’s worth it for me
MANDATORY vaccination policy likely on its way, says Trudeau Health Minister
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People who are pushing for mandatory vaccinations should think carefully about what might happen. First of all, who is going to enforce the policy? Not the cops; they've already demonstrated that they won't be made the boogey man to please the provincial government. Gangs of thugs would have to be recruited (Let's call them by their proper name: brownshirts. ) And what will these brownshirts (or SA) do after Covid is over? Go back to their parents' basements in Pickering or Woodstock? Well, probably not. It's too much fun pushing people around and kicking the shit out of unpopular types, like anti-vaxers (And no, that's not me. I've had my shots). Well, in Germany, after they got tired of rounding up Jewish people, they found other groups of unfortunates. Especially the mentally retarded. Now if that happened here, where would it leave many notable members of this board?
I wouldn't go in it if you asked me to, wouldn't want to expose to mortal danger all you vaccinated people
It hasn’t been how we push vaccines.
Do you feel someone here, or anyone in a position of influence and power in any province is suggesting it should or will be?
Just to be clear, the OP’s decision to title the thread as they did, and the Post Millennial article are both classic click bait.
Expanded ‘mandates’ (read restrictions on access to non-essential businesses) might be coming in some provinces.
That’s it.
The sky is not falling.
Quebec added Cannabis shops and Liquor stores to the list of places you’ll need a vaccine certificate to enter. First dose sign-ups quadrupled when they did, reminding us all that there is value in expanded list of places certificates are needed.
Alberta has stated that its is not considering any kind of expansion to any of its ‘mandates,’ NS and SK haven’t ruled out an expansion to its list of passport restrictions, but has ruled out mandatory vaccinations.
Ontario’s leadership is AWOL as far as a comment goes, but if you think Dougie is going to suddenly go full-Draconian 5-months before an election, your crystal ball doesn’t work like mine does.
Will rumours around vaccine passport restrictions for beauty services pan out? Who knows.
Equating a decision to restrict access to the SAQ, or hair salons or anything else non-essential to one where people are “strapped down and forced injections” is a good example for why so few people give a shit about what has the antivaxxers upset about at any particular time.
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Relax dude. I was asking him what he thinks “push” is because that is the word he used. I wanted his clarification of his opinion.
I don't understand your rationale for wanting this unless you believe in tyranny. Because as we know fully vaccinated spread the virus just like unvaccinated do.
Are you actually asking for a study on 10 years worth of COVID-19 vaccine data, just over a year after the vaccine rolled out?
That’s the bar you’ve decided to set? Very reasonable.
How about this.
Can you provide the study that led you to be wary of vaccines without 10 years of data? Presumably, the one where a vaccine caused substantial harm to those who took it, and/or death, but only in the long-term?
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If the preponderance of the evidence shows that vaccines are reducing morbidity and mortality from this pandemic then antivaxxers who do not have a health reason, only a philosophical reason for vaccination refusal increasingly risk loosing out whether it be leisure, livelihood or both and being relegated to the pariah societies.
The antivaxxers in some cases have “pushed” themselves into a hole which is their choice, but they should not be encouraged to take the rest of us who have vaccinated with them. Fuck them, if they think that Covid-19 is just a flu, then they should continue to not take the vaccine, not seek medical care at the hospital either and clog up the ICUs and just stay home if they get Covid-19. Of course the “push” of the vaccine that I was talking is a philosophical one based on science, which is at times is nebulous too. Anyway, a physical “push” by forced injection would be assault would it not ? Who would carry out this assault in liberal and passive Canada anyway?
I tend to believe science. Why would I want to be near people who don’t? And further, why would I want to be near people who claim to be free of fear but who are more cowardly than millions of vaccinated old ladies because “maybe some side effects will happen in 20 years”?
Pharmaceutical industry has a long history of fuckups from early murcury treatments to tholidomide to more recent cases like this one https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/polio-cases-now-caused-vaccine-wild-virus-67287290, there are many lawsuits which paint a rather sad picture https://lawyerinc.com/biggest-pfizer-lawsuits/ so I wouldn't rush to trust big pharma so fast if I were you.
It will be impossible to not have these mRNA vaccines not have negative side effects, especially when given in multiple doses or boosters, which will sooner or latter show up in neonates, developing children or other age groups. Had it not been for this pandemic, the mRNA technology would not have been given to humans. Nothing is perfectly safe despite what the flavour or the month happens to be saying at any given time.
Except human trials of mRNA vaccines began 15 years ago. The only reason it hadn't been used widely before is we already have reasonably effective vaccines for the other major communicable diseases.
You're right. We never know what we will discover in the future but when weighing the theoretical risk of maybe something will happen to the proven reduction in infections and severity of infections, it is completely illogical to wait a couple decades before vaccinating.
OK.
But, just to be clear. How many examples did you find of vaccines that rolled out initially safely, then 5-10 years later caused common and serious side-effects or death?
I’m wondering, because that’s not how vaccines work.
Curious. Do your anxieties about “tholidomide” or “murcury” preclude you from any and all treatments developed by “big pharma?” Or just anything less than a decade old?
Thanks for the ABC link. It’s been awhile since I’ve read anything about that tragic situation in places like Afghanistan, Pakistan, sub-Saharan Africa etc. Pure sadness. The oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) is slightly cheaper and easier to administer, when compared to the inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV). The OPV also doesn’t use formaldehyde to render the virus inactive.
The downside, as the article points out, is that with the OPV, children take (orally) a weakened but activated version of the virus, which has led to stories like the one you linked to. Canada, and no other developed nation I’m aware of even makes the OPV version available in their country.
For context, we used the OPV in Canada until 1995, and although extremely rare, there were cases between 1962 and 1995 of people getting polio from their vaccine.
Onset of symptoms for the disease were/are within the usual 2-weeks of the vaccine administration, so, again, it’s not really a comparable example in the context of your concerns about the long-term effects of a vaccine.
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I'm ok being near anyone, vaccinated or not. Because I respect people's decisions about what they do with their own bodies.
If you are sincere, the best plan would be for you to never leave home.I wouldn't go in it if you asked me to, wouldn't want to expose to mortal danger all you vaccinated people
I love how all the anti-vaxxers are so suspect of big pharma and the evil vaccines. They go on and on about how they're not 100% effective etc. But if they were ever to get a disease, they'd be the first ones to get take pills and treatments which also aren't 100% effective, have a long list of side effects and are manufactured by the same big, bad pharma companies. The hypocrisy is astounding.
I know one in real life.
The amount of goalpost shifting is just staggering. It's also like talking to a wall.
Thankfully if it's in person you can usually switch the subject pretty quickly.
All those pills and treatments you refer to have gone through years of research and testing under full clinical trials. That didn't happen with the Covid19 'vaccines'. How you can not see the difference is truly astounding.
You don't live in the same reality as the rest of us do you.
Also I don't think you quite get what is meant by anti vaxxer goalpost shifting. although I can understand that part.
