MANDATORY vaccination policy likely on its way, says Trudeau Health Minister

[ShockNAwww]

New research has found that constantly worrying about the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic can impair a person’s cognitive abilities.

This study was conducted by researchers from McGill University in Montreal, Canada. They worked with other researchers from the Montreal Neurological Institute and Hospital to survey over 1,500 Americans between April and June 2020 to gauge how concerned they were about the coronavirus pandemic and how this fear may have affected their thinking.

Cool beans, bro.

A non sequitur of my own:

Autistic traits as a potential confounding factor in the relationship between schizotypy and conspiracy beliefs - PubMed

Both schizotypal and autistic traits are reliable predictors of conspiracy beliefs, but schizotypy appears to be the stronger predictor and that autistic traits are not a strong confounding factor in this relationship. However, autistic traits may pose an additional risk factor for CT beliefs.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[HungSowel]

Canada man who went lunatic on 5g and constantly peddles conspiracy theories is now telling others the dangers of constantly worrying. If we were living in a simulation, that right there would have crashed the simulation.

 

[kyleb899]

Not going to happen, majority of people are getting covid now are fully vaccinated people ,

 

[sp free]

It might help if the vaccines were easier to get. Booking them is difficult and often the lineup at a distant pop up clinic is up to 6 hours wait in crap weather.

It might help more if they actually worked.

 

[Brill]

It might help more if they actually worked.

If I don’t get Covid, how do I know if the vaccine was the reason?
I won’t know, but there’s no harm in getting it anyway.

 

[lomotil]

Not going to happen, majority of people are getting covid now are fully vaccinated people ,

If you are speaking about Canada, particularly Ontario, yes the majority of people getting Covid-19 are vaccinated because the majority of people here are vaccinated.. Unfortunately, Ontario is only an extremely microscopic scenario in a rapidly evolving global pandemic. Obviously the vaccines do not prevent Covid-19 infections but evidence shows that they reduce morbidity. Unfortunately it would appear that the vaccines currently been given are not nearly as effective against the Omicron variant so that the advantage of the vaccinated over the non vaccinated is narrowing which is the current synopsis.
Still the best that we can do now is push the vaccines as the game keeps changing with more new vaccines and Covid-19 variants on the way for certain in 2022 with uncertainties looming.

 

[Jenesis]

If you are speaking about Canada, particularly Ontario, yes the majority of people getting Covid-19 are vaccinated because the majority of people here are vaccinated.. Unfortunately, Ontario is only an extremely microscopic scenario in a rapidly evolving global pandemic. Obviously the vaccines do not prevent Covid-19 infections but evidence shows that they reduce morbidity. Unfortunately it would appear that the vaccines currently been given are not nearly as effective against the Omicron variant so that the advantage of the vaccinated over the non vaccinated is narrowing which is the current synopsis.
Still the best that we can do now is push the vaccines as the game keeps changing with more new vaccines and Covid-19 variants on the way for certain in 2022 with uncertainties looming.

So you think that people who are unvaccinated should be strapped down and forced injections? Is that how we “push” the vaccine?

 

[saxon]

Notice how the Liberals are thinking about mandatory vaccinations but are dumping it on the provinces.

 

[seagerbuzz]

Unvaccinated people are putting a huge strain on our healthcare system and prolonging restrictions and lockdowns. It's time everyone gets vaccinated. The sooner that happens, the sooner we get back to normal.

No they're not.

 

[ShockNAwww]

It must be that magical time of the week, where someone tries and ultimately fails to explain proportionality to the numpties.

Vaccinated hospital patients outpace the unvaccinated, but it doesn't mean the shots don't work: experts

Numbers showing the majority of Alberta's COVID-19 hospital admissions are in vaccinated individuals don't tell the entire story, regardless of what some conspiracy theorists believe.

beta.ctvnews.ca

Let’s look at Alberta from a few days ago.

499 people are in hospital with COVID. 217 (43%) were unvaccinated, 282 (57%) had at least one shot.

65 people are in an ICU with COVID. 47 (72%) were unvaccinated, 18 (28%) had at least one .

90% of the province has at-least one dose.

So, about 24 per 100,000 unvaccinated people are in Alberta hospital. Compared to 8 per 100,000 partially or fully vaccinated people.

And, about 5.2 per 100,000 unvaccinated people are in an Alberta ICU. Compared to 0.4 per 100,000 partially or fully vaccinated people.

 

[K Douglas]

If I don’t get Covid, how do I know if the vaccine was the reason?
I won’t know, but there’s no harm in getting it anyway.

Thousands of families who lost a loved one would say otherwise.

 

[Leimonis]

What about the guy who helped develop the AZ vaccine who said the vaccines won’t stop Covid? sorry I’m to lazy to google, but that’s the source.

What about cold hard data:


Among youth and adults aged 12 to 59 years, unvaccinated people were 31 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people. Among older adults aged 60 years or older, unvaccinated people were 15 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people.
Dec 17, 2021
https://www.canada.ca › 2021/12
Statement from the Chief Public Health Officer of Canada

 

[K Douglas]

What about the guy who helped develop the AZ vaccine who said the vaccines won’t stop Covid? sorry I’m to lazy to google, but that’s the source.

Google probably blocked that long ago as disinformation.

 

[csmitting]

What about cold hard data:


Among youth and adults aged 12 to 59 years, unvaccinated people were 31 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people. Among older adults aged 60 years or older, unvaccinated people were 15 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than fully vaccinated people.
Dec 17, 2021
https://www.canada.ca › 2021/12
Statement from the Chief Public Health Officer of Canada

try this, put the summary conclusions & govt talking points to the to the side.

Pick any day in 2021/2022 and compare it to the same day the previous yr. Which date has the higher Covid numbers?

 

[Leimonis]

try this, put the summary conclusions & govt talking points to the to the side.

Pick any day in 2021/2022 and compare it to the same day the previous yr. Which date has the higher Covid numbers?

Well that proves nothing.
next argument?

 

[poker]

An interesting and age old political argument. Where do your rights end and where do mine begin? You have a right to be an idiot, but does that include your right to drive drunk? How about the way you store any weapons you own? So, I could argue (and have a few times) that there should be consequences for your actions. For example, if you choose to smoke in the US, you will probably pay higher health and life insurance premiums. In Canada, you will pay a whole bunch more for your cigarettes, but not enough to cover the cost of your cancer care if and when you get it.

In this case, while it might be your right not to get vaccinated, do I have to pay for it when you get put on a ventilator? And what about if my health care is delayed or denied because your fat stupid ass is taking up my bed because you couldn't muster the brain cells to avoid an avoidable disease?

I don't know the answer to these deeply philosophical questions, but I sure would love to be allowed back in a bar to argue them with my (proven fully vaccinated) buddies. That alone should make mandatory vaccination a requirement.

I would only point out, the difference between driving drunk and vaccinations (at least to me is)… I am not forcing someone to ingest anything to prevent them driving drunk.

And, while I believe you have a right to not be forced a vaccine, you do not have a right to sit in restaurants. (That one is slippery, even for me…. But it is true). Property rights do not allow other people access to all properties

 

[K Douglas]

An interesting and age old political argument. Where do your rights end and where do mine begin? You have a right to be an idiot, but does that include your right to drive drunk? How about the way you store any weapons you own? So, I could argue (and have a few times) that there should be consequences for your actions. For example, if you choose to smoke in the US, you will probably pay higher health and life insurance premiums. In Canada, you will pay a whole bunch more for your cigarettes, but not enough to cover the cost of your cancer care if and when you get it.

In this case, while it might be your right not to get vaccinated, do I have to pay for it when you get put on a ventilator? And what about if my health care is delayed or denied because your fat stupid ass is taking up my bed because you couldn't muster the brain cells to avoid an avoidable disease?

I don't know the answer to these deeply philosophical questions, but I sure would love to be allowed back in a bar to argue them with my (proven fully vaccinated) buddies. That alone should make mandatory vaccination a requirement.

Its obviously not an avoidable disease if fully vaccinated/boosted Canadians are still being hospitalized and/or dying from it.

 

[Leimonis]

I say the same thing about people who get covid and die using precisely the same logic: billion people had no problem with it and successfully recovered if you die it's your time to go.

is that an argument against a vaccine that clearly improves your chances of having milder symptoms?

 

[Platon]

is that an argument against a vaccine that clearly improves your chances of having milder symptoms?

Can you tell me what potential side effects a person may develop in say 5 to 10 years after vaccination, can you show me a study on that? As soon as you show me the evidence I can tell you if going from a pretty bad sore throat and a 39 degree fever with 0.3% chance of dying in my case according to gov. data to discomfort in the throat and mild fever is worth it or not.

 

[bazokajoe]

I have np problem with a vaccine passports to get into restaurants, gyms, theaters etc. But I have a big problem with mandatory vaccine policy.
I'm double vaxxed and soon to be triple vaxxed but it's everyone's decision on if they want the shot or not.