MANDATORY vaccination policy likely on its way, says Trudeau Health Minister

mandrill

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I don't understand your rationale for wanting this unless you believe in tyranny. Because as we know fully vaccinated spread the virus just like unvaccinated do.
No they don't. The vaxxed are sick and contagious for a far shorter period.
 

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46% of hospitalizations and 17% of ICU patients are incidental. That means there for something else, and tested positive for Covid. Likely caught it while in the hospital.

Christine Elliot tweeted this out this morning.

They’ve been lying to us about all of it the entire time.

Are you going to accept that?
 

NotADcotor

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They’ve been lying to us about all of it the entire time.
Pretty much everything covidiots say is a lie and their sources are the same.

A bit rich to complain about a data set that is not precise. I mean mofos were in the hospital, and they did have covid so it's true. Again compared to the unending stream of bullshit from covidiots it's pretty small potatoes and to complain about that is a bit hypocritical. A bit like Trumptards getting their panties in a knot every time Biden tells a lie. Really, YOU are complaining about that. Really?

Also how much of that is people being admitted for something that has nothing to do with the covid vs those who are on record for being admitted for something else but it's covid. Guy gets admitted for difficulty breathing and has covid... pretty reasonable to assume the covid is a major factor. Much like how people who die of diabetes don't actually die of diabetes but complications that arise from the condition.... but it's the diabetes.
 

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46% of hospitalizations and 17% of ICU patients are incidental. That means there for something else, and tested positive for Covid. Likely caught it while in the hospital.

Christine Elliot tweeted this out this morning.

They’ve been lying to us about all of it the entire time.

Are you going to accept that?
As of yesterday, in Ontario’s intensive care units (ICUs), there are 477 patients, 83 per cent of whom (395 patients) are there because of COVID-19 and 17 per cent (81 patients) tested positive for the virus after the fact.

The unvaccinated make up less than 20% of the population in Ontario, yet they account for 83% of the ICU admissions due to COVID. Are you going to accept that?
 

Male4Strapon

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As of yesterday, in Ontario’s intensive care units (ICUs), there are 477 patients, 83 per cent of whom (395 patients) are there because of COVID-19 and 17 per cent (81 patients) tested positive for the virus after the fact.

The unvaccinated make up less than 20% of the population in Ontario, yet they account for 83% of the ICU admissions due to COVID. Are you going to accept that?
This.
The unvaxxed are a drain on the healthcare system. I can catch covid from a vaccinated person, yes. However if I need to go to ICU or need an ambulance for any other reason, I might not be able to because unvaccinated have depleted the resources. THAT is the danger the unvaccinated are causing. It's not the spread of the disease it's the impact they are having on the shared resource that is our health care system.
 

GameBoy27

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This.
The unvaxxed are a drain on the healthcare system. I can catch covid from a vaccinated person, yes. However if I need to go to ICU or need an ambulance for any other reason, I might not be able to because unvaccinated have depleted the resources. THAT is the danger the unvaccinated are causing. It's not the spread of the disease it's the impact they are having on the shared resource that is our health care system.
I have several friends (doctors and nurses) who work in various capacities at Toronto hospitals. They tell me each ICU bed requires a host of resources, including highly specialized trained staff. It's one thing to add new beds and equipment, it's another finding the human resources to support them. Couple that with many healthcare workers having to take time off when they test positive and you can see why our healthcare system is under great strain.
 

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46% of hospitalizations and 17% of ICU patients are incidental. That means there for something else, and tested positive for Covid. Likely caught it while in the hospital.

Christine Elliot tweeted this out this morning.

They’ve been lying to us about all of it the entire time.

Are you going to accept that?
Do you live your day assuming that everyone is lying to you (while quoting those same people as truth tellers)?

First the vast majority of ICU patients with covid are there because of covid. And no, they weren't lying to us in earlier waves. Omicron is far more contagious so it is far more likely than anyone has it. Previously the number of ICU patients who incidentally had covid was too insignificant to report on.
 

NotADcotor

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Do you live your day assuming that everyone is lying to you (while quoting those same people as truth tellers)?
I saw a meme and it's true. Those people who think everyone is out to get them that pretty much the entire medical and political establishment is out to get people to get vaccinated because reasons that generally don't make scene. You have to wonder what sort of fucked up person would consider that, is it because that are evil and thus assume everyone else is?
 

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"Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me!"

It's a weird mindset to be angry when the world doesn't get as bad as you expected it to get. Sort of a lose-lose proposition.
 

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All those pills and treatments you refer to have gone through years of research and testing under full clinical trials. That didn't happen with the Covid19 'vaccines'. How you can not see the difference is truly astounding.
The principles of science has not changed when it comes to pharmaceuticals and research on them. The same criteria remain in place. What possibly changes is situational aspects.
 

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This.
The unvaxxed are a drain on the healthcare system. I can catch covid from a vaccinated person, yes. However if I need to go to ICU or need an ambulance for any other reason, I might not be able to because unvaccinated have depleted the resources. THAT is the danger the unvaccinated are causing. It's not the spread of the disease it's the impact they are having on the shared resource that is our health care system.
The lack of ambulance has zero to do with the vaccine status. The operators are at home in quarantine. All of them are vaccinated and all of those in quarantine contracted the Omicron.
 

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The lack of ambulance has zero to do with the vaccine status. The operators are at home in quarantine. All of them are vaccinated and all of those in quarantine contracted the Omicron.
Not necessarily so. How many unvaxxed have used ambulance versus vaccinated for covid severe outcomes? I'm not aware of any reporting of this but I would bet the house unvaxxed have required ambulances for covid healthcare at a higher rate than vaccinated. How many EMTs were exposed to covid by unvaxxed being taken by ambulance? You're right that the lack of ambulances is largely due to EMTs being off in quarantine but exposure to unvaxxed users could absolutely have had a large role in that.
I was speaking in the hypothetical sense in explaining why I am completely in favour of mandatory vaccination.
 
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jcpro

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Not necessarily so. How many unvaxxed have used ambulance versus vaccinated for covid severe outcomes? I'm not aware of any reporting of this but I would bet the house unvaxxed have required ambulances for covid healthcare at a higher rate than vaccinated. How many EMTs were exposed to covid by unvaxxed being taken by ambulance? You're right that the lack of ambulances is largely due to EMTs being off in quarantine but exposure to unvaxxed users could absolutely have had a large role in that.
I was speaking in the hypothetical sense in explaining why I am completely in favour of mandatory vaccination.
The EMTs on duty are 100% vaccinated. They're more likely to be exposed to Covid-19 from the vaxed than the unvaxed.
 

Male4Strapon

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The EMTs on duty are 100% vaccinated. They're more likely to be exposed to Covid-19 from the vaxed than the unvaxed.
We're veering off topic here so I will put it this way and you can do what you want with it.....

  1. Vaccines prevent severe outcomes and the rate of hospitalizations and ICU indisputably reflect that.
  2. The EMTs being fully vaccinated or not is irrelevent. What matters is only who they are taking in the ambulance, who they are being exposed to.
  3. Given vaccinated are far less likely to need an ambulance for COVID-RELATED medical attention, it's logical to assume that covid-related ambulance use is disproportionately for unvaccinated. Just like ICUs.
The only logical "yeah, but" you make against this is that ambulances are used for many reasons beyond covid so given the vaccinated largely outnumber unvaxxed, it stands to reason that vaccinated would need ambulances for any reason at all more than unvaxxed. And given that vaccinated can still have and pass on covid, there is a good probability that an EMT could get covid from a vaccinated person in ambulance for non-covid urgent care.
The problem is that many of the unvaxxed using ambulances most likely would not require an ambulance at all (for covid urgent care) if they had simply been vaccinated, thereby protecting themselves from severe outcome.
 
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Unvaccinated people are putting a huge strain on our healthcare system and prolonging restrictions and lockdowns. It's time everyone gets vaccinated. The sooner that happens, the sooner we get back to normal.
Where did you get it from dude ? number of fully vaccinated who are transmitting and getting sick is more than those who are not vaccinated. This stats is from every highly vaccinated country. Check in Israel,
100k infected a day now, 90%+ are vaccinated 2/3 times and yet no end to it. I myself got infected by a fully vaccinated person, who also infected 2 other fully vaccinated persons. So, yeah, blame the unvaccinated
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Male4Strapon

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Where did you get it from dude ? number of fully vaccinated who are transmitting and getting sick is more than those who are not vaccinated. This stats is from every highly vaccinated country. Check in Israel,
100k infected a day now, 90%+ are vaccinated 2/3 times and yet no end to it. I myself got infected by a fully vaccinated person, who also infected 2 other fully vaccinated persons. So, yeah, blame the unvaccinated
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Vaccinations do not prevent people from getting covid and thereby spreading it. What it does is prevent severe outcomes, so that is how the unvaxxed are "putting a huge strain on our healthcare system and prolonging restrictions and lockdowns" as GameBoy27 correctly stated. In Canada the unvaxxed eligible account for 13% of the population yet account for 79% of hospitalizations. So yeah, the unvaccinated ones are to blame for our overwhelmed healthcare system and prolonged lockdowns.
 
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