MANDATORY vaccination policy likely on its way, says Trudeau Health Minister

[Male4Strapon]

may be if these vaccines were more safe and with less injuries and there were no mandates more people would vaccinate.

The vaccines are VERY safe we're over a year into covid vaccines and it's ridiculous that anyone would still claim they are not.

Mandates are absolutely necessary because society is lazy by and large and would never tear themselves off the couch to get vaccinated without mandates...... and I'm talking about those willing to be vaccinated.
The vaccine hesitant need more mandates and restrictions because they are terrible at differentiating between information and disinformation and they're often the ones begging for it in hospital when they're suffering and crying for it like it's an instant cure.
The vaccine refusers are a lost cause because they would rather die then admit they were wrong. In fact I would wager many of them have been vaccinated but will never admit to it. They are the first to scream about lockdowns and mandates but the primary reason that they're necessary.

 

[Platon]

Vaccinations do not prevent people from getting covid and thereby spreading it. What it does is prevent severe outcomes, so that is how the unvaxxed are "putting a huge strain on our healthcare system and prolonging restrictions and lockdowns" as GameBoy27 correctly stated. In Canada the unvaxxed eligible account for 13% of the population yet account for 79% of hospitalizations. So yeah, the unvaccinated ones are to blame for our overwhelmed healthcare system and prolonged lockdowns.

Funny how the narrative is changing from "OMG, you're gonna kill us" to "You're overwhelming health care system". We spent ~500 billion on something, how many hospital/ICU beds have we added? Meanwhile people got free checks from the gov. Maybe if junior didn't throw a billion here and a billion there but spent it wisely we wouldn't have these issues? So how is it the fault of the unvaxxed that the idiot cannot spend OUR money where we need it the most, we are afterall in a pandemic?

 

[seagerbuzz]

The vaccines are VERY safe we're over a year into covid vaccines and it's ridiculous that anyone would still claim they are not.

Mandates are absolutely necessary because society is lazy by and large and would never tear themselves off the couch to get vaccinated without mandates...... and I'm talking about those willing to be vaccinated.
The vaccine hesitant need more mandates and restrictions because they are terrible at differentiating between information and disinformation and they're often the ones begging for it in hospital when they're suffering and crying for it like it's an instant cure.
The vaccine refusers are a lost cause because they would rather die then admit they were wrong. In fact I would wager many of them have been vaccinated but will never admit to it. They are the first to scream about lockdowns and mandates but the primary reason that they're necessary.

Oh they're safe alright. Are you aware that all fatal auto accidents in the U.S. are being blamed on the vaccines. Even Fauci and head of the CDC said so

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1481497059995926529

 

[Male4Strapon]

Oh they're safe alright. Are you aware that all fatal auto accidents in the U.S. are being blamed on the vaccines. Even Fauci and head of the CDC said so

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1481497059995926529

It wouldn't shock me if antivaxxers blame everything on vaccines from car accidents to higher gas prices to losing their car keys.

I watched the clip you posted and it's very clearly reflecting the absurdity of the "injury reporting" of vaccines. As Fauci very clearly states, the reporting system allows for any adverse result from the vaccine to be counted. This actually gives antivaxx argument "ammunition" despite the OBVIOUS flaws with it. If one is hit by lightning leaving the vaccination centre, they can be added to the vaccine injuries database. So when antivaxxers cry "look at how many injuries are suffered following a vaccination" they're inadvertently shining a spotlight on their own ignorance.

 

[whitehill_21]

So....what is it, a Federal vaccine mandate or a provincial one? The headline implies it will be federal, but the first sentence is talking about provinces and territories.

The article is right, not all experts agree with vaccinations being the best way forward, but they are a tiny minority. I've read studies that show the natural immunity wanes fairly quickly, that's why people have gotten covid twice!

Finally, the Post Millennial and Andrew Lawton are jokes...

Study from Israel suggests that natural immunity is about 20+ times better than the one from vaccines

 

[Leimonis]

Study from Israel suggests that natural immunity is about 20+ times better than the one from vaccines

yeah that's why they are doing 4th shots as we speak

 

[Breeze]

The vaccines are VERY safe we're over a year into covid vaccines and it's ridiculous that anyone would still claim they are not.

How do you know that, because it’s been 1 year? That isn’t enough for many people.

If it’s so safe then why are the vaccine manufacturers exempt from any liability? Apparently you can get a warranty on pretty much any consumer product, but not for what you inject in your own body.

Why did the FDA originally request a 55yr timeframe to release clinical trial data used to approve the Pfizer vaccine(a judge recently ruled they now have 8 months)?

Why did the CDC in November change the definition of a vaccine? It used to be defined as a substance that provides “immunity”, now it’s defined as a substance that “triggers an immune response “. These COVID vaccines are actually not considered vaccines under the original definition, so they had to change it.

if it’s so safe why does the CDC director Dr. Wakensky have no idea how many of the CDC staff are even vaccinated?

 

[whitehill_21]

yeah that's why they are doing 4th shots as we speak

They're doing it exactly because of that reason, that the artificial immunity of this specific product is weak
and the only way to maintain some immunity is keep boosting and boosting to the oblivion, but hey you know
better. Call me on your 6th booster.

 

[silentkisser]

Study from Israel suggests that natural immunity is about 20+ times better than the one from vaccines

That is true. But that immunity actually wanes fairly quickly. The CDC says people who were infected but do not get vaccinate are twice as likely to get covid again. That's why people like Glenn Beck got the virus TWICE!!!

Glenn Beck says he has COVID-19 for second time

Editor’s note: An earlier version of this story mischaracterized the nature of the anti-parasitic medication ivermectin.Conservative radio host Glenn Beck on Wednesday said he’d contrac…

thehill.com

And, it sounds like his second bout might be more serious this time around. He says it's in his lungs now.

I keep hearing people saying that we'll all get Omicron at some point. Which might be true. But I'd rather avoid getting it period. If it is inevitable, than I want to be triple vaxxed when I face it.

 

[Valcazar]

Oh they're safe alright. Are you aware that all fatal auto accidents in the U.S. are being blamed on the vaccines. Even Fauci and head of the CDC said so

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1481497059995926529

And whitehill_21 wondered why I was pointing out people citing VAERS should just be ignored as having no idea what they are talking about.

 

[Valcazar]

If it’s so safe then why are the vaccine manufacturers exempt from any liability?

You could find out by looking up when vaccine manufacturers were made immune from liability and under what circumstances that immunity holds.

Why did the FDA originally request a 55yr timeframe to release clinical trial data used to approve the Pfizer vaccine(a judge recently ruled they now have 8 months)?

Since it is a public case, you could probably look that up. The judge probably explained it when they made the ruling.

Why did the CDC in November change the definition of a vaccine? It used to be defined as a substance that provides “immunity”, now it’s defined as a substance that “triggers an immune response “. These COVID vaccines are actually not considered vaccines under the original definition, so they had to change it.

Neither would the flu vaccines under that old definition now that people are defining "immunity" as "100% no one ever gets it".
So they changed it to a more accurate definition.

That is, of course, assuming they didn't just explain the change when they made it in which case you could look it up yourself.

if it’s so safe why does the CDC director Dr. Wakensky have no idea how many of the CDC staff are even vaccinated?

Because why would she need that information?

 

[Valcazar]

Study from Israel suggests that natural immunity is about 20+ times better than the one from vaccines

Link the study, please?

Also, define "better".

 

[GameBoy27]

Study from Israel suggests that natural immunity is about 20+ times better than the one from vaccines

For a short period of time. I have a friend who's part of a study as he got COVID early on. They've been testing his blood for antibodies once a month. After COVID infection his antibodies were high but then started to drop so they told him to get the first shot. That bumped his antibodies back up. By last November they dropped again so he got the second shot in December. That bumped them way up again. At the moment he doesn't need the booster but judging by the previous tests, it will drop, at which time he'll need a third shot.

 

[whitehill_21]

Link the study, please?

Also, define "better".

Israeli study: Natural immunity gives better protection than COVID shot

Study based on Maccabi Health data finds that natural immunity based on prior infection offers considerably better protection than 2 doses.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[whitehill_21]

For a short period of time. I have a friend who's part of a study as he got COVID early on. They've been testing his blood for antibodies once a month. After COVID infection his antibodies were high but then started to drop so they told him to get the first shot. That bumped his antibodies back up. By last November they dropped again so he got the second shot in December. That bumped them way up again. At the moment he doesn't need the booster but judging by the previous tests, it will drop, at which time he'll need a third shot.

Israeli study: Natural immunity gives better protection than COVID shot

Study based on Maccabi Health data finds that natural immunity based on prior infection offers considerably better protection than 2 doses.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[whitehill_21]

That is true. But that immunity actually wanes fairly quickly. The CDC says people who were infected but do not get vaccinate are twice as likely to get covid again. That's why people like Glenn Beck got the virus TWICE!!!

Glenn Beck says he has COVID-19 for second time

Editor’s note: An earlier version of this story mischaracterized the nature of the anti-parasitic medication ivermectin.Conservative radio host Glenn Beck on Wednesday said he’d contrac…

thehill.com

And, it sounds like his second bout might be more serious this time around. He says it's in his lungs now.

I keep hearing people saying that we'll all get Omicron at some point. Which might be true. But I'd rather avoid getting it period. If it is inevitable, than I want to be triple vaxxed when I face it.

Israeli study: Natural immunity gives better protection than COVID shot

Study based on Maccabi Health data finds that natural immunity based on prior infection offers considerably better protection than 2 doses.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[basketcase]

Israeli study: Natural immunity gives better protection than COVID shot

Study based on Maccabi Health data finds that natural immunity based on prior infection offers considerably better protection than 2 doses.

www.israelnationalnews.com

You should read the study itself instead of just the news reports because it says quite clearly that people with previous infection and at least one vaccination had the strongest response. As discussed here many times, it also didn't look at the level of infection from previous cases as asymptomatic cases give lesser results. Other data has clearly shown that up to Delta, unvaccinated people were being infected at around 4 times the rate of the vaccinated.

More importantly, omicron is a new game and repeated studies have shown it has a much greater ability to avoid the immune response whether from vaccines or prior infection. A 6 month old, non-peer reviewed study about alpha to early in the Delta wave is hardly the most important source of information during Omicron.

 

[whitehill_21]

You should read the study itself instead of just the news reports because it says quite clearly that people with previous infection and at least one vaccination had the strongest response. As discussed here many times, it also didn't look at the level of infection from previous cases as asymptomatic cases give lesser results. Other data has clearly shown that up to Delta, unvaccinated people were being infected at around 4 times the rate of the vaccinated.

More importantly, omicron is a new game and repeated studies have shown it has a much greater ability to avoid the immune response whether from vaccines or prior infection. A 6 month old, non-peer reviewed study about alpha to early in the Delta wave is hardly the most important source of information during Omicron.

here is more details:
https://alethonews.com/2021/12/14/a...s-far-superior-to-the-vaccine-generated-kind/

agree on omicron, but it seems to be much milder variant, so the hysterical response on it goes in line with similar response on the older
variants.

 

[Breeze]

You could find out by looking up when vaccine manufacturers were made immune from liability and under what circumstances that immunity holds.

I already knew the answer to that question, it was hypothetical. They reason they are exempt was the circumstances under the pandemic, an agreement was made with the government to expedite the distribution of the vaccine.

Since it is a public case, you could probably look that up. The judge probably explained it when they made the ruling.

Neither would the flu vaccines under that old definition now that people are defining "immunity" as "100% no one ever gets it".
So they changed it to a more accurate definition.

That is, of course, assuming they didn't just explain the change when they made it in which case you could look it up yourself.



Because why would she need that information?

You could find out by looking up when vaccine manufacturers were made immune from liability and under what circumstances that immunity holds.

It was a rhetorical question. They reason they are exempt was the circumstances under the pandemic, an agreement was made with the government to expedite the distribution of the vaccine. Hence no extensive clinical studies were done.

Since it is a public case, you could probably look that up. The judge probably explained it when they made the ruling.

Again, rhetorical question. The FDA argued they would not have the resources, but they do. They have a 6 billion dollar budget. They judge gave them 8 months to produce the data. So basically, what they claimed was not true.

Neither would the flu vaccines under that old definition now that people are defining "immunity" as "100% no one ever gets it".
So they changed it to a more accurate definition.

What relevance does the flu vaccine have to this, when this change was done under the covid vaccine rollout? You would have a point if this was before covid.

Because why would she need that information?

Your'e seriously asking why the director of one of the biggest health institutions in the world, who promotes the vaccine at any opportunity, would need to know how many people in the organization are actually vaccinated? Really?

 

[Valcazar]

Israeli study: Natural immunity gives better protection than COVID shot

Study based on Maccabi Health data finds that natural immunity based on prior infection offers considerably better protection than 2 doses.

www.israelnationalnews.com

That's an article about the study.
Luckily it has a link to the study.

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups...

www.medrxiv.org

But good, you actually had a non-imaginary source.
An un-reviewed retrospective study with a small absolute effect size, some selection bias issues, and the obvious survivorship bias issues.
And, as your link shows, it found better results for vaccination after infection than surviving infection alone.

But yes! It is real data that has to join all the other data to figure out the complicated interaction of infection-induced and vaccination-induced natural immunity.
And it does suggest 13x protection (not 20, I am going to assume that was drawn from the article comment about symptomatic COVID-19).